Some real Shock and Awe: Racially profiled and cuffed in Detroit

Silly me. I thought flying on 9/11 would be easy. I figured most people would choose not to fly that day so lines would be short, planes would be lightly filled and though security might be ratcheted up, we’d all feel safer knowing we had come a long way since that dreadful Tuesday morning 10 years ago.

But then armed officers stormed my plane, threw me in handcuffs and locked me up.

My flight from Denver landed in Detroit on time. I sent a text message to my husband to let him know we had landed and I would be home by dinner. The plane stopped on the tarmac, seemingly waiting to have the gate cleared. We waited. I played on my phone, checking Facebook, scrolling through my Twitter feed. After a while of sitting there, I decided to call my husband to tell him the plane was being delayed and I would call him when I got off the plane.

Just as I hung up the phone, the captain came over the loudspeaker and announced that the airport authorities wanted to move the airplane to a different part of the airport. Must be a blocked gate or something, I thought. But then he said: Everyone remain in your seats or there will be consequences. Sounded serious. I looked out the window and saw a squadron of police cars following the plane, lights flashing. I turned to my neighbor, who happened to be an Indian man, in wonderment. What is going on? Others on the plane were remarking at the police as well. Getting a little uneasy, I decided the best thing for me to do was to tweet about the experience. If the plane was going to blow up, at least there’d be some record on my part.

Stuck on a plane at Detroit airport…cops everywhere

Soon the plane was stopping in some remote part of the airport, far from any buildings, and out the window I see more police cars coming to surround the plane. Maybe there’s a fugitive on the plane, I say to my neighbor, who is also texting and now shooting some photos of the scene outside. He asks me to take a few, as I have a better angle from my window seat. A few dozen uniformed and plainclothes officers are huddled off the side of the plane. I don’t see any guns, and it isn’t clear what’s going on.

So I continued to tweet:

A little concerned about this situation. Plane moved away from terminal surrounded by cops. Crew is mum. Passengers can’t get up.

Then what looked like the bomb squad pulled up. Two police vans and a police communication center bus parked off the road. I started to get nervous and rethink my decision to fly on 9/11.

Cops in uniform and plainclothes in a huddle in rear of plane.

We had been waiting on the plane for a half hour. I had to pee. I wanted to get home and see my family. And I wanted someone to tell us what was going on. In the distance, a van with stairs came closer. I sighed with relief, thinking we were going to get off the plane and get shuttled back to the terminal. I would still be able to make it home for dinner. Others on the plane also seemed happy to see those stairs coming our way.

I see stairs coming our way…yay!

Before I knew it, about 10 cops, some in what looked like military fatigues, were running toward the plane carrying the biggest machine guns I have ever seen–bigger than what the guards carry at French train stations.

My last tweet:

Majorly armed cops coming aboard

Someone shouted for us to place our hands on the seats in front of us, heads down. The cops ran down the aisle, stopped at my row and yelled at the three of us to get up. “Can I bring my phone?” I asked, of course. What a cliffhanger for my Twitter followers! No, one of the cops said, grabbing my arm a little harder than I would have liked. He slapped metal cuffs on my wrists and pushed me off the plane. The three of us, two Indian men living in the Detroit metro area, and me, a half-Arab, half-Jewish housewife living in suburban Ohio, were being detained.

The cops brought us to a parked squad car next to the plane, had us spread  our legs and arms. Mine asked me if I was wearing any explosives. “No,” I said, holding my tongue to not let out a snarky response. I wasn’t sure what I could and could not say, and all that came out was “What’s going on?”

No one would answer me. They  put me in the back of the car. It’s a plastic seat, for all you out there who have never been tossed into the back of a police car. It’s hard, it’s hot, and it’s humiliating. The Indian man who had sat next to me on the plane was already in the backseat. I turned to him, shocked, and asked him if he knew what was going on. I asked him if he knew the other man that had been in our row, and he said he had just met him. I said, it’s because of what we look like. They’re doing this because of what we look like. And I couldn’t believe that I was being arrested and taken away.

When the Patriot Act was passed after 9/11 and Arabs and Arab-looking people were being harassed all over the country, my Saudi Arabian dad became nervous. A bit of a conspiracy theorist at heart, he knew the government was watching him and at any time could come and take him away. It was happening all over. Men were being taken on suspicion of terrorist activities and held and questioned–sometimes abused–for long periods of time. Our country had a civil rights issue on its hands. And, in the name of patriotism we lost a lot of our liberty, especially those who look like me.

I never had any run-ins with the law. Since 9/11, though I felt a heightened sense of how my appearance would affect my travel plans, I never had any concrete reason to think I would be targeted. I passed through security without excessive searching (except that one time they thought they saw a pocket knife in my husband’s backpack, which they couldn’t find anyway even though it was there). Because I am my father’s daughter I am aware of the possibility of anti-Arab and anti-Semitic sentiments that have increased dramatically, but luckily  no members of my family nor myself have had to endure what so many others have gone through in this country and throughout the world. As Americans we are scared and horrified by acts of terror. But I am not sure that what we are doing to dissuade and protect are working.

We arrived at an offsite building and remained in the squad car for a few minutes. The Indian man was taken out of the car first, and an officer stood at the door to make sure I didn’t go anywhere. I asked him several times what was going on and he wouldn’t answer me. It was like I was invisible. I felt so helpless and shocked. I was being treated like a criminal.

Then it was my turn. I got out of the car and was led, still cuffed, to a cell. “Are you serious?” I asked the officer, and he said yes. The heavy metal door was shut and locked behind me. Again, I asked what was going on and why was I here. Finally he said, they will let you know later. They are going to ask you some questions.

I sat down on the metal cot that hung off the wall. It had a thin, green vinyl mattress–mattress is a generous term–that offered no comfort. It was about a 6-by-10 cell, the concrete walls were painted a light yellow but were streaked with black dirt. The floor was some sort of stainless steel, and a stainless steel toilet that has probably never seen the good side of a scrubbing brush, instructed me to keep holding my stretched bladder as long as I could. Near the ceiling above the toilet there was a video camera.

A plainclothes officer stood came to my door and asked me if I spoke English. Something in me snapped at that question. Of course I spoke English I’m an American citizen, you asshole! Well, I left the expletive out. “Ok,” he said and stood watch outside my door saying he wanted to make sure I didn’t “flush anything.” He also wouldn’t tell me what was going on.

As I sat and waited, quietly contemplating my situation, the other Indian man was getting questioned in the main room outside. I couldn’t see what was going on, but I could hear a bit. They asked him where he was from, did he have any family, where were his shoes. He talked quietly and agreeably. I wondered if he was as incensed as I was or if he had entered this country expecting harassment from the American authorities.

They took him to another room, and I heard an officer tell him to remove his clothes. He was going to be searched. I could not fully grasp what was happening. I stared at the yellow walls and listened to a few officers talk about the overtime they were racking up, and I decided that I hated country music. I hated speedboats and shitty beer in coozies and fat bellies and rednecks. I thought about Abu Ghraib and the horror to which those prisoners were exposed. I thought about my dad and his prescience.  I was glad he wasn’t alive to know about what was happening to me. I thought about my kids, and what would have happened if they had been there when I got taken away. I contemplated never flying again. I thought about the incredible waste of taxpayer dollars in conducting an operation like this. I wondered what my rights were, if I had any at all. Mostly, I could not believe I was sitting in some jail cell in some cold, undisclosed building surrounded by “the authorities.”

I heard the officers discuss my impending strip search. They needed to bring in a female officer. At least they were following protocol, or something to that nature. Still, could this really be happening?

Eventually a female uniformed officer came in. She looked like a fat Jada Pinkett Smith, and in a kind but firm voice explained what was going to happen. I was to stand, face the wall in a position so the camera above the toilet couldn’t see, and take off my clothes. I complied. She commented on my tattoo, saying, “Oh you have one of those things–good and evil, right?”

“Yin and yang. Balance,” I said, grabbing my clothes to redress.

“You understand why we have to do this, right? It’s for our own protection,” she told me.

Because I am so violent. And pulling me off an airplane, handcuffing me and patting me down against a squad car didn’t offer enough protection. They also needed to make sure all my orifices were free and clear.

She apologized for having to do the strip search, and I asked her to tell me what was going on. She said she didn’t know but someone would come and talk to me. She put my handcuffs back on and left. The other officer stood guard outside. I told him I needed to call my husband. He said I could use the phone later.

As I sat in my cell trying not to think about my full bladder, they brought another man in. I wondered if he had been on the plane as well. Were they going to bring everyone in or had they just singled us out? He spoke belligerently, and I couldn’t understand much of what he was saying. But I did hear two officers talking about the man who stole a $3,000 watch at the security checkpoint. Now there’s a real crime. What was I doing here?

I had no idea how much time had passed. It was about 4:00 when I sent my last tweet on the plane. I couldn’t tell if it was day or night. I was tired, confused, angry and bored. I wanted my phone. I wanted to call my husband so he could come to Detroit and rescue me. I wanted to update my status so my friends weren’t freaking out. Did I also want a lawyer?

Another female officer, this one in jeans and a t-shirt came to visit me. She introduced herself as an agent–Homeland Security. She removed my handcuffs and had me follow her to a different room down a long hall and through a few doors. As we walked, I got a glimpse of the watch-stealer, a chubby middle-aged white guy with a buzz cut. He didn’t look too different from some of the officers.

She led me to a small, white room where a man who introduced himself as an FBI agent was waiting for me. I sat on one of three chairs at a small metal table, and the female agent sat across from me. They both offered me their badges for inspection, not that I would have known the difference, but they were calm and not pushy. I appreciated that. The male agent proceeded to ask me a series of questions about where I had been, where I was going, about my family, if I had noticed any suspicious behavior on the plane. The other agent took notes while I talked. They asked if I knew the two men sitting next to me, and if I noticed them getting up during the flight or doing anything I would consider suspicious.

I told them no, and couldn’t remember how many times the men had gotten up, though I was sure they had both gone to the bathroom in succession at some point during the flight.

They had done some background check on me already because they knew I had been to Venezuela in 2001. They asked about my brother and sister and asked about my foreign travel. They asked what I did during the flight. I told them I didn’t get up at all, read, slept and played on my phone (in airplane mode, don’t worry). They asked about my education and wanted my address, Social Security, phone number, Facebook, Twitter, pretty much my whole life story.

Again, I asked what was going on, and the man said judging from their line of questioning that I could probably guess, but that someone on the plane had reported that the three of us in row 12 were conducting suspicious activity. What is the likelihood that two Indian men who didn’t know each other and a dark-skinned woman of Arab/Jewish heritage would be on the same flight from Denver to Detroit? Was that suspicion enough? Even considering that we didn’t say a word to each other until it became clear there were cops following our plane? Perhaps it was two Indian man going to the bathroom in succession?

He warned me that the last time an incident like this happened back in December, they had to interview everyone on the plane and no one got to go home for six hours. It was going to be a long haul.

They asked me if I wanted to add anything that they hadn’t asked. I said no. Then they asked if I needed anything. I said I needed a real bathroom, and the female officer, saying she didn’t blame me, offered to take me to the officers’ bathroom. I must have peed straight for five minutes.

She walked me back to my cell, telling me it was for my own protection as they had brought in the rest of the passengers for questioning. They would fetch my stuff from the plane and allow me to call my husband. My cell had been occupied by the Indian man I had sat next to on the plane and in the squad car. So I waited for them to move him to the second cell that was holding the watch stealer. As I passed by the small window in that room I could see the watch stealer splayed out on the cot. He appeared to be asleep. I wondered where the Indian man would sit.

After fingerprinting me and asking me about my height/weight/place and date of birth and so on, a middle-aged white cop with a beer belly and a flat top returned me–without handcuffs–to the cell. I waited, wondering if I would be spending the night locked up. I thought about the last words my husband said to me while I was still on the plane waiting on the tarmac, “They must have found out there was a Hebshi on the plane.” We joke about this at times, that because of my ethnicity I am being scrutinized but I had no intention of putting that out to the universe and making it happen.

I thought about Malcom X and how bravely and fastidiously he studied and wrote while he was in prison, how his solitude enabled him to transform his anger into social change and personal betterment. That’s when I decided to write this post. I needed to explain what had happened–was happening–to me. I was not going to be silent. Still, I wondered what my rights were, and though I felt violated and scared I wasn’t sure that our new laws protected me from this treatment.

The female agent returned to my cell with my cell phone. She wanted me to show her my tweets–that were simultaneously posted onto Facebook–I had composed while on the plane. She joked that she didn’t even have a Facebook account. She left for a few minutes then returned and allowed me to call my husband. She said I would be released in a few minutes.

The sound of his voice brought me to tears, but I tried to remain calm. I gave him a one-minute recap of my situation, which only left him confused. I told him I would call him when I got to my car, which was parked in an airport lot.

I hung up the phone and followed the officer out of the cell and into another small room where the male FBI agent was waiting accompanied by another FBI agent–possibly the head honcho on duty. He said the three of us were being released and there was nothing suspicious found on the plane. He apologized for what had happened and thanked me for understanding and cooperating. He said, “It’s 9/11 and people are seeing ghosts. They are seeing things that aren’t there.” He said they had to act on a report of suspicious behavior, and this is what the reaction looks like.

He said there had been 50 other similar incidents across the country that day.

I was led out another door and down a long hall where I gathered my bags, which had been removed from the plane and searched. In the hallway I saw the other two men who had also been detained. They seemed happy to be being released as well. It felt strange to smile at them, and I didn’t know what to say, so I said nothing.

We walked outside of the building, and for the first time I saw that we were at the airport police station, which also doubled as the spot for the local Homeland Security office to reside–an office that didn’t exist 10 years ago. It was starting to get dark. But I still didn’t know what time it was.

Another officer drove me to my car in the airport parking lot. As he plopped into the drivers seat and me into the passenger’s seat of the unmarked sedan, he apologized for not having air conditioning, but, I thought snarkily, being a descendant of desert people I obviously didn’t mind the heat. He asked me if I was OK to drive back to my home in Ohio, and I said I was, though I wasn’t sure I was. I wasn’t sure how this would affect me. I am still not sure.

All I know, is I probably won’t be flying again on Sept. 11.

In the aftermath of my events on Sept. 11, 2011, I feel violated, humiliated and sure that I was taken from the plane simply because of my appearance. Though I never left my seat, spoke to anyone on the flight or tinkered with any “suspicious” device, I was forced into a situation where I was stripped of my freedom and liberty that so many of my fellow Americans purport are the foundations of this country and should be protected at any cost.

I believe in national security, but I also believe in peace and justice. I believe in tolerance, acceptance and trying–as hard as it sometimes may be–not to judge a person by the color of their skin or the way they dress. I admit to have fallen to the traps of convention and have made judgments about people that are unfounded. We live in a complicated world that, to me, seems to have reached a breaking point. The real test will be if we decide to break free from our fears and hatred and truly try to be good people who practice compassion–even toward those who hate.

I feel fortunate to have friends and family members who are sick over what happened to me. I share their disgust. But there was someone on that plane who felt threatened enough to alert the authorities. This country has operated for the last 10 years through fear. We’ve been a country at war and going bankrupt for much of this time. What is the next step?

You can read more about the ordeal from this AP report: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/11/us-airline-passengers-detained/

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  1. Erin O'Gara

     /  September 12, 2011

    This is beautiful, Shoshana – had me in tears throughout and I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m so sorry that this horrible thing happened to you, but am thankful that you are home safe and sound. Lots of hugs and love to you!

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    • People have become so paranoid, scared of every shadow, every whisper that isn’t government sanctioned. I am ashamed of people who react blindly. The sad truth is, the terrorists did win that day. 10 years later, people are still terrified. That’s the entire goal of terrorism..until America stops the blind fear that makes situations like this possible, they will continue to win.

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      • Well said Dallas.

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        • Tanya Harris

           /  September 13, 2011

          If they ever thanked me for “being understanding,” I would have responded, “I understand there will always be bigots.”
          I wish I could say it will never happen again, but I’m fairly certain it will. Hopefully not to you, but definitely to someone else. I hope you bang a whole lot of pots and pans together. I hope you get people’s attention so that this school-yard bullying is exposed.
          And by the way, who’s to say that a “passenger” reported suspicious activity even though they say this was the case? I hate to say it, but maybe the group of you met their racial profiling criteria.
          Bye the way, love the blog.
          Tanya in Norfolk, Virginia

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          • I’d be so angry at the unknown person who reported the “suspicious” activity. You definitely handled this with a lot more patience than I would have.

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          • Toni

             /  September 15, 2011

            I grew up in Communist country. It looked the same.

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            • After visiting Russia in 2005, I noticed a lot of similarities between the US and Russia in terms of the paranoia and possibility of things like this happening. I pretty much believe that the terrorists that do exist out there are pretty much people all acting in response to oppression of this sort and this kind of policing helps them rather than cures the situation. If can make a global standard for common sense treatment of people, this BS can end tomorrow. Unfortunately, things in most of the West will have to get worse first over the next decade before people really hit the limit. There is also too much information available for people to properly pursue issues, and the administrators of the US, Nato, EU know this.

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      • Amanda

         /  September 12, 2011

        You hit the nail on the head there, Dallas.

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      • Allison

         /  September 12, 2011

        In addition to your excellent comment, the terrorists have also won in that they’ve divided us even further. We had racial tension and race- and religion-based bigotry prior to 9/11, but it’s gotten so much more intense since then.

        If the terrorists wanted to destroy America by turning us into each other’s enemies, they’ve accomplished that task.

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        • Russ

           /  September 13, 2011

          Do you think that is a result of terrorism, or perhaps the advent of social networking, anonymous blogging, and the many other ways people can express hatred with no consequences?

          That’s not to say that there is any hatred in what has been written here in your comments, but I think we have many outlets for hatred that didn’t exist 10 years ago. This doesn’t stink of being a result of 9/11 to me. I think the author’s experience is awful and I wish it hadn’t happened, but I am also somewhat grateful for a system which does look into what someone may perceive as a serious threat. I survived the attack on Tower 1 of the World Trade Center on 9/11 so my perspective may somewhat subjective, but I would rather be detained or searched (and I was searched unnecessarily many times in the years immediately following the attacks) than have no tools for reporting something that may look suspicious to me. That being said, I think I have the ability to be rational enough not to report three people sitting on a plane not interacting with one another simply because they look suspicious for no reason other than my paranoia and the color of their skin.

          Anyway, I don’t think the terrorists “won” because of this scenario. I think someone was very inconvenienced and humiliated and this is a lesson in why the methods to keep us safe need to be further refined, but at least there are efforts out there to do so.

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          • Liz

             /  September 13, 2011

            “Searched”???! SEARCHED??!! The author wasn’t “searched,” she was STRIP searched!!! And, to you, that’s merely an “inconvenience”?? She was *imprisoned* and that’s just an “inconvenience”?? I’m so glad you survived the 9/11 attacks, but to in any way, whatsoever, try to justify the cretins who reported “suspicious” behavior based *solely” on the physicaly appearance of the author is, well, criminal and obscene. There is no justification for what that idiot did. Their abject paranoia may be a *reason* but it is not an excuse. There is no excuse, and they should be subjected to the same “inconvenience” that the author and the other two passengers were. Period, end of story. The terrorists HAVE won, because you think that the pathetic “scared” passenger did the right thing and you think that the author was merely inconvenienced because we have to be so scared that we utterly trash the Constitution by subjecting citizens to unreasonable search and seizure. DHS could have checked her background without all of that and found she was no threat, but they decided to go through with this heinous crime anyway. Inconvenienced, my arse.

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            • Marla

               /  September 16, 2011

              Liz, I’m reading no further after your post because you have said it all. Besides, I don’t think I could emotionally handle any of the gung-ho TSA responses which are surely here somewhere. Shoshanna’s log of events is one of the scariest accountings of this national stupidity I’ve read to date.

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            I believe it’s a variety of factors, yes, and the anonymity of social media is a part of the change. But yes, I do believe that a huge percentage of it started because of 9/11.

            While you, personally, may be rational enough to not report in that situation, clearly someone was not. And that, to me, is the most frightening aspect of this security theater nonsense that we’re forced to endure. Unsubstantiated reports of unspecified suspicious activity are taken at face value by authorities who then cuff people, sequester them, strip-search them, and interrogate them. Who assesses the validity of the original complaint? No one. Who’s held responsible when innocent people have their Constitutional rights violated for no reason? No one, because the original report can be just some jackass on a plane.

            There is a middle ground between having “no tools for reporting” and violating people’s rights based on unsubstantiated rumor. We have to find that middle ground.

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            • Niraj K. yadav

               /  September 13, 2011

              Well stated rebuttal, Allison.

              I’m of Indian descent, with both my parents being Indian immigrants to the US. Having been born in the US, I’m a citizen by birth, but one of those two men could easily have been me on that plane. And nothing scares me more than the fact that I can be targeted (yet again) simply because of the color of my skin.

              My question to those who feel it is not a major outlet from 9/11 is this: If the people beside her had been Caucasian,, would this have ever been reported? Or, instead, as I’ve seen happen on many a flight, would a steward(ess) have rather made sure the individual(s) in question were OK, understanding that illness does occur amongst people of all walks of life and that just because 3 people sitting together seem to be of a similar race does not necessarily mean that they are actually in some sort of conspiracy to commit a crime? I highly doubt it.

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              • dave

                 /  September 14, 2011

                If this had been racial profiling, wouldn’t some action have been taken much sooner than near the conclusion of the flight? I gather that nothing was noted as unusual about any of this threesome until the two men went to the bathroom together and spent ‘a long time in there’. I imagine (tens of) thousands of middle easterners were probably flying that day – as they were the days before and immediately after 9/11. Were all of these also detained and questioned? We have only heard one side of this ‘story’ (which is all we will get given protocols agencies have to follow), but, gee, there could be a second side to the matter.

                So….is it better to ignore suspicious behavior – under the guise of being politically correct – and have a plane blown up instead killing a hundred?
                Okay, maybe it’s just me…but I guess I would consider it a bit odd if two men that apparently don’t know each other go into the lavatory together and spend an ‘inordinately long time in there’ together….

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                • Englishman

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  As a European “anglo-saxon”, I have no trouble with this over cautious reaction, given the level of concern about the significance of the date. BUT, there is no excuse for this level of discourtesy.
                  It is very possible to show a MUCH higher respect for the detainee whilever the possibility remains that they (the authorities) will ultimately decide that there is no case to answer.
                  Unfortunately, my limited experience of US homeland security, in the form of Passport control both in 1974, 2003 2004 and in 2006, is one of open hostility to non-US visitors.

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                • Gigi G.

                   /  September 19, 2011

                  Oh now Dave…I wasn’t going to make any comment here because there are already so many great remarks but I have to respond to your nonsense.

                  You obviously have no experience traveling on planes. What you suggest is just so utterly ignorant I can’t possibly be more polite about it. It is not at ALL uncommon for the two passengers…to get up and go to toilets at the same time. It happens like this…the guy on the outside has to go so when he dos the guy sitting in the middle (she said she was sitting by the window) decides it’s a good time to go too. That way he won’t disturb the other guy later…it happens all the time. It’s called consideration and convenience and it isn’t strange. It is only strange to people who are paranoid and racist! AND do you know WHY someone might spend an inordinate amount of time in the toilet? It’s called constipation and it happens OFTEN when traveling on airplanes!

                  And who is so frigging nosey that they would even be keeping track of how long someone goes to the toilet? A busy body…that’s who.
                  And what? They were in the SAME toilet cubicle together? I doubt it. This is just a case of some nosey biddy body doing what they do best: gossip. And I’ll just bet you if any one bothered to check the person who raised the alarm probably has a history of “raising the alarm”.

                  And don’t tell me that our very “intelligent” (I use the term loosely) FBI couldn’t have assessed the situation and figured out just by quietly doing their homework on these people before the plane even touched the ground that there was no risk.

                  It is an utter travesty and total nonsense.

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                • jon

                   /  September 21, 2011

                  My bet is that the complainant was someone who was fed up at the time the Indian gentlemen spent in the toilets. I also get pissed of with such people, which normally includes almost everyone except me.

                  On a different note, I long ago added the US to the list of countries I will not visit, along with Somalia and Yemen. The only time I accidentally visited the US was a transit in Guam in 2007 en route to Majuro – a very unpleasant meeting with some TSA goons and a destroyed suitcase.

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              • HELLLLLOOOO!!!???? ioF COURSE A CAUCASIAN ISNT GOING TO BE STOPPED. THE RADICAL TERRORISTS ARE NOT CAUCASIAN. THEY ARE DARKER MIDDLE EASTERN LOOKING. GET OVER YOUR SELF. IF YOU ALL DONT LIKE THE WAY YOUR BEING TREATED THEN GO TO A COUNTRY WHERE YOU BETTER FIT IN AND YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE NONE. SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH. ALL I KNOW IS MY DOLLAR BILL SAYS-IN GOD WE TRUST…AND I DO , AND SO DID MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WHO SWEAT HIS A22 OFF TO HELP GROOM THIS COUNTRY FOR FREEDOMS THAT YOU PEOPLE RATHER COMPLAIN ABOUT THAN APPRECIATE. SHAME ON EVERYONE THAT COMMENTED ON THIS POSTMAYBE YOU COULD CRY YOUR SAD STORY TO THE FDNY WHO LOST BROTHERS PICKING UP THE PIECES. YOUR SO SAD YOU WERE PROFILED FOR LOOKING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE.

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                • R.A.

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  “THE RADICAL TERRORISTS ARE NOT CAUCASIAN…” Meet Scott Roeder, the murderer of abortion doctor George Tiller. Mr. Roeder is a heavy set, middle aged white man. And murdering people for offering a legal medical service certainly qualifies as radical and terrorist.

                  Shame on you for your outright racism.

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                • Jules

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  “THE RADICAL TERRORISTS ARE NOT CAUCASIAN…”
                  And don’t forget Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City. Or Anders Behring Breivik, the white conservative “Christian” who opened fire at a summer camp in Norway and killed 69 people, mostly kids.

                  Your fear mongering and racism are how the terrorists win.

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                • Mike

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  “IF YOU ALL DONT LIKE THE WAY YOUR BEING TREATED THEN GO TO A COUNTRY WHERE YOU BETTER FIT IN AND YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE NONE. ”
                  Why would he go live in some other country when he is born here.

                  “YOUR SO SAD YOU WERE PROFILED FOR LOOKING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE.”
                  You are saying he is a terrorist because he is brown. Go fucck yourself you racist cunnt.

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                  • Bean

                     /  September 16, 2011

                    Ok as racist as this KimberleyAlohr is there is no reason to use a slur that is usually directed at women. Anonymous Mike at least spell the word correctly.

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                    • The point about not resorting to that kind of insult is apt, but he misspelled the terms to avoid any censor.

                    • Ron

                       /  October 19, 2011

                      You know, I normally hate the use of the C word, but Kimberly is such an abhorrent person it somehow seems appropriate.

                • Wow, Kimberly Lohr, you might be the most ignorant person in the world. Your grandfather fought to protect everyone’s rights, but you support the trampling of the rights of your fellow American? It seems that you cherish the freedom that you have, but don’t seem to care if a brown skinned person is locked up for no reason other than her appearance. Hypocrisy is the worst of all sins.

                  If you’re not downright stupid, then you are a horrible person. I hope it’s just stupid – for that you’d at least have my sympathy.

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                • Nullifidian

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  “AND SO DID MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WHO SWEAT HIS A22 OFF TO HELP GROOM THIS COUNTRY FOR FREEDOMS THAT YOU PEOPLE RATHER COMPLAIN ABOUT THAN APPRECIATE.”

                  You mean the ‘freedom’ to be whisked off a plane, strip searched, and interrogated just because the most paranoid or racist idiot on the plane has decided to make an anonymous phone call?

                  In that case, screw you and screw your great-great-grandfather for having forced that kind of ‘freedom’ on the U.S.

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                  • Then you need to leave the usa

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                    • SilenceDogood

                       /  September 16, 2011

                      No, Hazey, people like you who so badly want your security at any cost need to leave the USA for places where that already exists. Those places are called North Korea, Iran, Cuba, for starters. I hear they’re lovely this time of year, and offer the best of safety and security for their citizens.

                      Get a clue.

                • YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!!

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                  • orangecountyresident

                     /  September 16, 2011

                    Hazey, people like you and Kimberly cause me to lose respect for this country. And no, I’m not going to leave. I’m going to stay here and vote for people that don’t think like you two. People like you and Kimberly are a million times worse than the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11.

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                • orangecountyresident

                   /  September 16, 2011

                  Wow Kimberly, you are a racist pig. It’s people like you that make me ashamed of this country and you are one of the reasons why I didn’t go to any 9/11 memorials. Too many people who remember the victims of 9/11 think like you. I believe your reaction to 9/11 is a million times worse than 9/11 itself.

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                • Mike

                   /  September 18, 2011

                  To begin with, you don’t have to shout. It makes me think you’re crazy. And second, unless you are of Asian or African descent, I doubt seriously that your Great Great Grandfather sweated much at all. It was people of the aforementioned descent who did all the real work of building this country. And by the way, there have been Caucasians who have been arrested for acts or intent to commit acts of terrorism. First, there were the Oklahoma City Bombers and then there was Jihad Jane who was arrested last year in Philadelphia. She was blond and blue. Get a grip and learn something.

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                  • Apa

                     /  September 19, 2011

                    “Unless you are of Asian or African descent, I doubt seriously that your Great Great Grandfather sweated much at all.”

                    Unfair and unwarranted. Go look up the history of Irish immigration to this country. Look up the history of factory labor, especially before the Workers’ Rights movement took off.

                    Feeding trolls never comes to anything good. And usually drives otherwise sane people to say things they wouldn’t.

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                • googlie@yahoo.net

                   /  October 2, 2011

                  Wow, you’re an idiot. If you even had the slightest clue what the real definition of terrorism is and pay attention to what’s happening in this country you would understand that the largest group of radical terrorists in the world who are bent on terrorizing the people of amerika, and the world for that latter, are predominately white ameriken flag, badge wearing. gun toting overweight illiterate gas holes. You and your country don’t even have a dollar bill as every dollar in circulation in the US is borrowed from foreign interests including the paper it is printed on because your great grandfather wasn’t as great as you imagine him to be. Furthermore if your God was anything more than an imaginary low life loser you would actually trust him for your protection and not some gun toting, psychologically unstable, otherwise unemployable complete stranger.

                  If you believe civil liberties is having some complete stranger chain you up at the barrel of a gun and jam their hands up your A22 for their pleasure and imagined “protection” you should remove your head from yours and start feeling the freedom.

                  It would be great if you and your ilk would leave instead of destroying this country with your idiocracy.

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                • Carmen LeBlanc

                   /  October 4, 2011

                  “THE RADICAL TERRORISTS ARE DARKER MIDDLE EASTERN LOOKING…”

                  Yea, ’cause the Northern Irish terrorists have REALLY dark skin.

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            • Common sense is the middle ground . . . before law enforcement reacts as they reacted here there must be probable cause to react. what exactly is the probable cause to detain here? Some person with zero law enforcement training sees two dark skinned men get up at the same time to go to the bathroom and somehow that arises to the level of detention and strip searching. Really? Thats where we are now? I want to understand where the ability came here for the government to detail the passengers, handcuff, strip search and then

              I heard ZERO evidence that would lead one to believe that there were explosives involved here – that was a fiction invented by the government to justify what they had done to that moment. “Oh, we’d better check for explosives” Hey idiots – the plane was ON THE GROUND AT ITS DESTINATION! If they were going to blow it up they would not do so after it landed at its destination.

              Is there ANY common sense left in our nation?

              There was ZERO reason to detain, ZERO reason to search and zero reason to question. They certainly can talk to these guys all they want – my reaction would have been silence. F you. My practice is never speak to the police – end of story. You have a problem with that? Wait a minute? Am I being detained? If so why? Am I free to go? What are the facts upon which you are basing your detention – the time has come to end the idiots running around trying to justify the billions spent on their toys.

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              • Arif

                 /  September 13, 2011

                First of all, I feel for the lady and the other two and the rest of people (crew/passengers) for what the went through.

                Wow, you are one sharp cookie. Have you forgotten this is the nation where at one point the whole family or anyone can walk up the the terminal, see their friends or family members get on the plane. And if you were like my family, you would wait till the plane takes off and then leave the terminal. What changed and who changed it?
                Have you forgotten how many lives are taken away from how many loved ones? Have thought about how many people were affected by the attack? Have you wonder what those families (left behind) are going through? People who survived are still having nightmares.
                I’m Christian and a US citizen, but because I’m from Pakistan my airline ticket is always marked ‘randomly’. I don’t have any problem with it. USA has every right to protect their properties anyways she wants. If I or anyone don’t like it, can leave and go back to their homes.
                The fact is, this is my home, I’m afraid to go back home (Pakistan) because Muslims, so called radicals are killing Christians without any reason.
                If this incident were to take place on Pakistan airline, with an american or even a Paki christian involved, how do you think it would’ve went?
                I tell you how. The detained persons would be either be sent to prison with some religious blame if no explosive found, then killed. Stop blaming USA for what it has become, it is our fault. We just have to live with it.

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              • Irish

                 /  September 15, 2011

                Finally!! The patriot speaks! How dare they treat the author in such an ridiculous fashion! What are the charges, Probable cause, Warrant? Who swore to the fact that they where suspicious? Who started this mess and let it continue to propagate? The only thing that separates us from the “disappearances” of the Nazi regime is the Constitution and our Bill of Rights. NONE of which has been repealed! If this happened 50 times that day, there should be 50 cases filed in Federal court. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? The reason the toilet in her cell was dirty is because they had been using it to flush America down the drain! GGGGRRRR!

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                • ruth

                   /  September 18, 2011

                  Arif and Irish – the extent that they investigated still does not warrant a STRIP search including CAVITY search of this woman. She did not even go to the bathroom – the people sitting next to her did. Let’s see how well you do with a stranger poking around in your vagina or butthole when you’ve done nothing and every indication of your demeanor and response is that you have no idea what’s going on.

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              • There is a story developing in this thread that someone “paranoid” on the plane saw something like “two dark-skinned men get up together to go to the bathroom” and this is being discussed vis-a-vis the plausibility or not of making a (racially profiled) report to the authorities. Let’s stop that right now.

                No such passenger is needed (you could blame the flight crew instead; perhaps even a more plausible angle to take, as they’d have the ability to report suspicious activity in-flight more readily than people with Facebook and iPhones, etc), but this is not necessary either. Moreover, it doesn’t matter what the men did or didn’t do. They could have sat there sleeping the whole time, it makes no difference, so let’s stop trying to understand this in terms that we can imagine as rationally plausible or possible.

                We are, of course, hopelessly naive in the United States about this sort of thing. We have no familiarity with informants and
                informing on the mass-scale like they saw in the Soviet Union or in Romania, where it was facetiously referred to as the national sport.

                Whatever we are going to have “security” look like, the very fact that it is this kind of response and that it encourages people to be informants (whether this is a case of one or not) is the larger issue we should be concerned with, whether we think we’ll be detained or not–because eventually comes the day when “your kind” will be detained, and by then, it’ll be too late.

                Wh

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                • There is a story developing in this thread that someone “paranoid” on the plane saw something like “two dark-skinned men get up together to go to the bathroom” and this is being discussed vis-a-vis the plausibility or not of making a (racially profiled) report to the authorities. Let’s stop that right now.

                  That’s not “a story developing,” it’s what happened. That’s established. So is the practice of “dropping a dime” on someone by making a false report, which is not what happened here. The discussion is not about the theories, it’s about a specific event that is holographically indicative of a change in American society that is producing social friction and dislocation, and about how to reverse it. Those who read the entire thread are able to discern this and avoid tangential discussions.

                  Thank you for tuning in to the discussion. There are other discussions taking place elsewhere.

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                  • Snow Leopard

                     /  October 9, 2011

                    Shaykh al-Hajj Dawud Ahmad al-Amriki: thank you for keeping things focused. What I meant by the “developing story” was the thread of the story as it was being told in the comments. For example, at some point (below), someone finally discovers that it was a flight attendant (Elizabeth Something) who did the reporting, and then later, that she was passing on anonymous information from other travelers. That’s what I mean by the “developing story”. The facts of what actually happened are, of course, already established. People in this thread were getting bogged down over details that, in the contextual significance of this event, either don’t matter or are usually taken by people to make excuses for it happening, just as people in Soviet Russia made up reasons why the security forces were carrying away their neighbors. Such details here included bluntly suggesting that the original poster must have been doing SOMETHING suspicious or whether the two men went to the bathroom at the same time or went to the same bathroom at the same time–one guy even develops a whole doctrine of how to fly, saying if you DO get up to go to the bathroom at the same time as someone else, tell the stewardess that you’re going back for gay sex. I’d like to think he was being ironic or trying to be funny, but I don’t think he was.

                    In this particular post, I wanted to draw attention to the fact that the specifics of WHO did the reporting matters less than that SOMEONE made a report, and that it wouldn’t matter what the two men or the original poster were doing, and in fact didn’t matter. That’s what I wanted to underline.

                    I appreciate your comments in this massive thread generally. Thank you.

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                    • In this particular post, I wanted to draw attention to the fact that the specifics of WHO did the reporting matters less than that SOMEONE made a report, and that it wouldn’t matter what the two men or the original poster were doing, and in fact didn’t matter. That’s what I wanted to underline.

                      We’re witnessing a generation for whom oppression and tyranny are “givens” and inconsequential if they have no first-hand experience or are able to avoid them. This may be persistent.

                      I appreciate your comments in this massive thread generally. Thank you.

                      Thank you. It’s a holographic portrait of the quasi-literate middle-management demographic sector of the collapsing economic order, with occasional glimpses of the more subjugated classes. I see a few armchair revolutionaries, a bit of magistry, but virtually no statecraft. Sadly, that’s not a surprise.

            • Tina

               /  September 14, 2011

              Ma’am it sounds to me like they were researching the validity of the complaint by taking her away in cuffs in case the complaint was valid and there was a security risk. Putting her in a room alone where she couldn’t talk to others if she had “cohorts” and searching her for any items pertaining to a terrorist threat.

              We do live in a paranoid society, but we also have some reason to be concerned. We’re hearing everyday of people using their CHILDREN as bombs, or hiding explosives up their derrieres. People are crazy, and they do these things because they think that they’ll get through basic searches if they go to extremes.

              Had she been a threat, and somebody was concerned and brought her to attention and they said no we want to be politically correct and not stop her, or just ask her her name and see she’s an american citizen so not wanting to go against her rights let her go what would have happened if she’d walked into the airport and blown herself up in the middle of it? They’d be shocked, and angry, and how could you let her go, how could you not look into it, it was brought to your attention, etc. Just like 9/11 there were reports, and information that wasn’t acted upon.

              The part of the entire story that bothers me is the lack of respect, in my opinion they needed to detain her and follow through with making sure she wasn’t a risk, but they could have been more courteous about it on the off chance she wasn’t a risk and was just trying to get home. If it were me on a plane with my child and I saw something suspicious i’d hope like hell my comments wouldn’t be ignored. And two people getting up at the same time and going to the bathroom IS kinda weird. We have no clue if they were concerned because of the color of their skin, or because these men were getting up and walking out of view together.

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              • “We do live in a paranoid society, but we also have some reason to be concerned. We’re hearing everyday of people using their CHILDREN as bombs, or hiding explosives up their derrieres. People are crazy, and they do these things because they think that they’ll get through basic searches if they go to extremes.”

                Where exactly are you hearing of those things?

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                • Good catch, John. I was wondering about that myself. It seems to me people who believe they are “hearing everyday of people using their children as bombs” will inevitably be anxious and trigger happy when it comes to reporting suspicious behaviour. I think the media and the government have a lot to answer for as they have created this climate of fear that turns people against each other.

                  @Tina: Please think about what you said there. Think about a parent using their child as a bomb. Would you do it? Of course not. Would your neighbour do it? Of course not. In fact you’ll find a lot more children harmed by their parents through abuse or even homicide after a marriage breakup.

                  Either you believe there are a lot of mentally ill parents out there who would do what most parents would say is the worst thing a parent could do in their life or you believe certain people are predisposed to such acts of violence that somehow the rest of the civilised world is immune to.

                  Sting wrote a great song that tried to point out that the cold war created barriers between people who were essentially the same. It was called “I Hope the Russians Love their Children Too”.

                  I put it to you that human beings are all the same all over the world, regardless of race or religion. What you fear is IMAGINARY, or at the very least, greatly exaggerated. When you realise this, you will be freed from the shackles of fear and be able to live a normal life. I live in Australia where this climate of fear exists too, but it’s being directed at Asylum Seekers. All common sense has gone out the window and many people want them to be left to die on their boats. It’s shameful but the root cause is the same – unfounded FEAR.

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                  • Actually, the song was just titled “Russians”. But everything else, Kabdoo, I agree with in your comments. I’ve never heard anyone saying that “they use children for bombs.” It’s a total line of bullshit and fearmongering, hands down.

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                • Martha

                   /  September 16, 2011

                  It may not be happening here in the USA but it does happen over in Israel. One Israeli once said something to the effect that the Palestinians would stop using their young as suicide bombers when the parents loved their children more than they hated the Jewish people.

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                  • Have people registered yet that Palestinians aren’t using suicide bombers anymore?

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                    • SilenceDogood

                       /  September 16, 2011

                      Or that children are not being used as bomb mules in the US?

              • bn1511

                 /  September 15, 2011

                This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard…

                I don’t understand why the behavior of the two men, one following another to the bathroom, is in the least bit suspicious…

                If I don’t have the aisle, I almost always wait for the person in the aisle to go to the bathroom before I go… it’s less disruptive and I think it’s more respectful (though not required) of your fellow passenger…

                This is disgusting beyond words… that we corrupt basic human dignity and behavior in the name of “security.”

                As someone who flies 100 plus times a year, I know how irritated I would be if someone in the window seat always wanted to make me move so they can go to the toilet and I know how appreciative I would be if they coordinated their “visits” with mine.

                But then, I don’t look at people of color and instantly reach conclusions about their motivation.

                I hope you and your child always stay safe but understand that sacrificing basic human dignity at the altar of “feeling good” will only ensure your child will grow up in a world full of bigotry and hate. If that’s what you want then by all means, soldier on.

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              • Ravan Asteris

                 /  September 15, 2011

                So all forms of fascism are justified for the CHILDREN? What kind of world does that leave the CHILDREN, then? Do you want your CHILDREN to grow up worry that they might be detained based on the color of their skin, way they dress, or slang they speak?

                If you’re going to bring the “FOR THE CHILDREN” argument in think it all the way through.

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                • “Using their Children as bombs” is much worse than a justification for fascism. It serves to dehumanize “them”, as well as justify a fascist response.

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              • “on the off chance she wasn’t a risk”

                Really? The “off chance” that she’s not trying to blow up a plane?

                The whole situation was far too much for some paranoid racist saying that fiddling with a phone and sitting next to other dark skinned people is ‘suspicious’.

                By your logic we should have a nice trustworthy grandma eyeing people as they enter the airpoirt and just pointing out the ‘dodgy looking’ ones, and questioning them for 6 hours each. After all, “what would have happened if they’d walked into the airport and blown themselves up in the middle of it?” “Why didn’t you trust the grandma?!” they’d cry!

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              • ruth

                 /  September 18, 2011

                Tina – the extent that they investigated still does not warrant a STRIP search including CAVITY search of this woman. She did not even go to the bathroom – the people sitting next to her did. Let’s see how well you do with a stranger poking around in your vagina or butthole when you’ve done nothing and every indication of your demeanor and response is that you have no idea what’s going on.

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              • Ron

                 /  October 19, 2011

                No. No. No. Getting up to use the restroom at the same time as your neighbor is not weird. It’s courteous, so you don’t have to bother them later. I do this all the time. Your paranoid behavior is making me reconsider being courteous.

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                • Paul

                   /  October 23, 2011

                  The plane was on the ground. The possible danger was past. Actions after that were unnecessary.

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            • Shoshana, thank you for sharing your horrendous ordeal with us; it is too too real. Since 9/11, Americans have been encouraged to fear and to be suspicious of others. It seems that..a sick paranoia has been seeded into the minds and hearts of Americans of “the other.” It is regrettable and unjust that these “false witnesses” are never identified or made responsible for their actions/diminuendo’s .. It is a disgrace that we don’t even know our rights…for it seems that you had none…just no words for you, no answers for you…just the guilty until proven not guilty treatment; certainly not in keeping with the American Justice System.
              Thank you again. You are one remarkable woman.

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            • Ev Sayan

               /  September 14, 2011

              Completely agree with Allison above. There are no easy answers, but we’ve been blasted too much by fear and unfortunately that is a great tool for the use of power without regard. We, the people, have to keep up the pressure on the authorities to find a middle ground – to protect us without violating us. I am confident a nation like this one, founded on those very principles, can face that challenge and reach that goal!

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            • Jason

               /  September 14, 2011

              It is unfortunatate that this happens at all. I’m of ethnic origin myself (not sure exactly which because my mother was adopted) and so I consider myself black. Since 9/11 I noticed that ‘at random’ must be written somewhere on my birth certificate. Every flight I have been on since, I have been instructed to remove my shoes and go through screening processess different from the other passengers. As a former member of a special operations unit, I’m appalled at the ‘freedom’ I put my life on the line for. I’m just glad you have a means of telling people the ordeals people of ethniticity go through while the majority of the population [read caucasions] simply view it as being ‘vigilant’.

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            • ReelBadArabs

               /  September 14, 2011

              Suspicion of Arabs began over 100 years ago with a systematic vilification of ‘Arabs by Hollywood as researched and documented by Dr. Jack Shaeheen:

              http://www.atlantamagazine.com/atlintel/culture/blogentry.aspx?blogEntryID=10263598

              http://www.wolfmanproductions.com/shaheen.html

              http://www.reelbadarabs.com/

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              • Missa

                 /  September 15, 2011

                Is this Professor Shaheen? I met you and your wife in Columbia Missouri several years ago after you gave a presentation. My little son was the one that complained he wanted to go home so he wouldn’t miss Leno. And you said your daughter worked for him

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            • Dan from NYC

               /  September 14, 2011

              @ Allison – Having traveled quite a bit both domestically and internationally over the years I can authoritatively state that current U.S. procedures may seem stringent but are far less so than other “active” zones.

              Regarding first verifying the validity of the report, elsewhere herein I stated the case thus, “everything that occurred once the report(s) were transmitted to the flight crew is exactly what one would demand of our law enforcement entities. A report must be taken with the greatest gravity until proved otherwise.

              A softer response would put that plane at a gate, adjacent to other aircraft and underground fuel lines and the deplaned passengers in a much more heavily populated terminal. Had the threat been an actual assault with massive death and mayhem resulting, would we not be excoriating law enforcement for their “lack of vision”?”

              No one’s rights were violated to say otherwise displays a layman’s misunderstanding of the law. I agree that since 9-11 the threshold of “reasonable” search and seizure [4th Amendment] has been redefined.by the circumstances arising from those events. The very ambiguity of the use of the phrase “reasonable” allows for interpretation as society’s needs change. So legal definitions may change without any actual infringement occurring.

              As such, it is not the law or it’s enforcement that is at fault. It is our individual lack of awareness of the law as well the definition and significance of the words employed, the ultimate and final arbiter being the SCOTUS.

              All that being as it is, well before the events of 9-11 the well established exception called, “Exigent Circumstance” existed. [Wikipedia/4th amendment/5.4] “Exigent circumstances arise when the law enforcement officers have reasonable grounds to believe that there is an immediate need to protect their lives, the lives of others, their property, or that of others, the search is not motivated by an intent to arrest and seize evidence, and there is some reasonable basis, to associate an emergency with the area or place to be searched.”

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              • Cindy

                 /  September 14, 2011

                So some college kid playing a “prank”, some bigot who doesn’t like the color of your skin, some mentally unstable person….basically anyone can say anything without validation???? I guarantee you that if the three of them had been white, nothing would have happened. End of story. You can try to make it sound better by saying that law enforcement had to act on the report….but who made the report? There are a lot of bigots in this country and a lot of people use the bathroom on planes. Are we now going to let them all be handcuffed, detained and strip searched without even telling them what is going on? I say you detain the person who reported the activity and strip search them. Whose to say they are not deflecting attention away from themselves and are up to mischief. In no way was this right. From the “person” who reported it, to the flight crew who passed it on, to the police who detained and ultimately the FBI and Homeland Security. Thank goodness my skin is white so I can fly without fear even though she is just as much a citizen as I am. It is criminal and she should file a suit in a court of law. Then maybe things will change. Is Hitler ruling our country now??? Must everyone be white to have rights and not be “suspicious”?

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                • DavosSherman

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Cindy: Doubt it. Sounds more like a cabin flight crew-member who got nervous and jerky over someone taking a 20 minute $hit. If the flight deck crew had any doubts they should have diverted. The entire thing sounds like an absolute horse and pony show. A$$hole cops – what effing terrorsist would blow a plane up at the destination gate? I’m glad I’m no longer a line captain.

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                  • John

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    BOYCOTT THE AIRLINE, teach them a lesson. Cabin crew are not trained to do these type of work.
                    What is worse is the plane was allowed to land and then moved to a less populated area.

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                • Dan from NYC

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  You are assuming the report was racially motivated and presume that if the report was about a white person it would be ignored or handled differently. While Shoshanna may have “felt” it was racially motivated that doesn’t mean that in fact it was. To argue it was a racially motivated report replaces logic and analysis with supposition from a predisposed belief that is itself akin to the mind set of a racist.

                  Also to assume your white skin shields you from suspicion and experiencing a similar detention is based on a fallacy. I think one name should cover it, Timothy McVeigh. Do you honestly believe that law enforcement would ignore a report of suspicious activity made against three whites or that protocols would be different for them? Given Janet Napalitino’s expressed views on white terrorists you can be assured that Homeland Security’s response would be the same.

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                  • Actually I think you’ll find that the accepted definition of something being racially motivated is that “if [only] one person thinks it is racially motivated, then it is.” Since the author does feel this way, the incident was therefore racially motivated.

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                • Amen to that.

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              • Jess

                 /  September 14, 2011

                You feel that the rights of human beings to be free from unnecessary, unwarranted, and unreasonable police detention and violation should be thrown out on the word of the stupidest, most cowardly cretin on an airplane?

                Why couldn’t you just go live in a country like that, instead of turning America into one?

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                • Dan from NYC

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Please define your terms, “unnecessary, unwarranted, and unreasonable” and what information you are basing that judgement call on. Drawing conclusions from fanciful predisposed beliefs rather than available facts is an emotional process and not a logical one.

                  I am sorry Shoshanna went through a very tough time. I can, and do, empathize with her and wish her a full recovery from this experience. Her anger and hurt are understandable emotional responses. But that can’t be the basis for designing response protocols to a potential threat.

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                  • Irish

                     /  September 15, 2011

                    There was no threat. We can’t run around hiding from “potential threats”. Potential threats can come from misunderstandings, bigotry, emotion. There should be no actions on potential threats. Two guys get up to go to the bathroom who look like middle eastern men. They come back and sit next to a woman who looks middle eastern… Where is the threat? When the coward who started this asked the Flight attendant for help, she should have “shooshed” him… :) At the very least, she should have gone the the row, engaged the folks in conversation, asked if they needed anything. Is there still a threat? Are they acting strange, avoiding eye contact, covering an object under their shirt? You don’t need fancy training for this. Sadly, it involves common sense and some basic observation skills. YOU have to get involved
                    The fact is that there are SSSOOOO many security checks, searches and sweeps for the passengers and the plane before anyone boards. We need to ensure that there is a real reason to be worried before we call in the Police state. Waving it all off to “good protocols” is like slapping the author on the A$$ after her strip search and offering her a cigarette!
                    Shame on everyone who even thinks this behavior from our government and the people on this plane was somehow justified!

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                  • Raging Itch

                     /  September 15, 2011

                    The “security” response was the worse kind: a false positive.

                    The people who had their rights violated were innocent. The fact that us there was a response in force means that resources were diverted from other, more credible, threats. There are finite resources, so wasting them on non-threats is dangerous.

                    If law enforcement is unable to determine if a report of suspicious behavior will pass the Sniff Test, then they are doing it wrong.
                    ——

                    BOTTOM LINE: the world isn’t safe. Everyone who reads this will die. You make the choice whether to live in fear or REFUSE TO BE TERRORIZED.

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                    • Right. A false positive is the worst of all threats. We as citizens have a duty to appear and conduct ourselves at all times so that there is no possibility that we will arouse suspicion and divert the authorities from the real evildoers. Anything else is the moral equivalent of turning in a false alarm.

              • Allison

                 /  September 14, 2011

                The fact that other countries do worse things to fliers does not mean that we should either follow their example or be complacent when things happen here with which we disagree.

                What I expect of law enforcement officials is actually NOT to take every single report “seriously,” in the sense that every single report should be considered valid enough to strip search the subject of the report. In civilian law enforcement, when a report is made, the officers at least question the person making the report to determine, among other things, the validity of the report being made. They ask questions of the reporter to determine if the report has a basis in fact, and contains reasonable cause to follow up. As far as I can tell, reporters of “suspicious activity” on a plane are NOT treated in the same way – a person says “I am suspicious of X,” and the authorities basically say “OK!” and proceed with handcuffs, detention, strip searches, and interrogations.

                That’s not acceptable. The authorities should, at the very least, interview the reporter FIRST to determine if the reporter has any legitimacy to his or her claims. In the current situation, people make reports of suspicious activity are not held accountable for those reports. Such a system contains no checks and balances on people making the reports based on, as in this case, ethnicity rather than actual behavior (from what I can tell).

                There is a middle ground between what occurred, and the so-called “softer response” example you provide which is basically do nothing.

                The rest of your information is much appreciate, and I plan to read it in depth.

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                • Dan from NYC

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  You are correct that law enforcement officials have to make judgement calls on reports all the time. However, they are specifically prohibited from doing so in certain kinds of reports.

                  For example, here in New York, any report of domestic violence must be taken as a fact and they are required to detain the person against whom the report is made even if the individual who complains recants. It’s not always fair and the arrest warranted or not proceeds in much the same manner that as Shoshana experienced.

                  The basis for this is called, “Exigent Circumstances” https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Exigent_circumstance_in_United_States_law

                  We are not party to what intelligence indicated regarding terrorist activity or possible plans – especially on the tenth anniversary of 9-11 that would scramble two F-16 fighter jets to escort the flight to Detroit. We also have this statement from FBI Detroit spokesperson Sandra Berchtold, “Due to the anniversary of Sept. 11, all precautions were taken, and any slight inconsistency was taken seriously,” Berchtold said. “The public would rather us err on the side of caution than not.”

                  The other passengers were reported to have been taken by bus to police headquarters, held and questioned. While we might suppose what they experienced we cannot say but it is standard procedure to suspect everyone until they are vetted and cleared and in all likelihood searched and/or scanned.

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                  • Dan: what you are saying is all entirely defensible, on the presupposition that one must follow a law (procedure, or protocol) simply by virtue of existing. Police who enforced segregationist policies in the US South and elsewhere might have felt a similar queasiness even as they “did their duty”. So your argument ignores those occasions when civil disobedience becomes the moral necessity.

                    You are also ignoring what prompts people to make reports that then, under an interpretation of an exigent circumstance, must (indeed) be carried through to its grim conclusion. A demonstrable pattern of false positives and the skin color of US air travelers is not a dismissible pattern, and this instance might be in or out of that pattern factually, but it is definitely in the pattern circumstantially.

                    Basically, the point you are defending is a moot one. Very few people would disagree that “suspicious circumstances should be investigated” or “if a suspicious circumstance is reported, it should be investigated.” The issue, rather, is what criteria do we accept for someone reporting a suspicious circumstance? We can look at the kinds of circumstances where people reported something serious and it turned out to be accurate–such as the strange object found in a bathroom or other public place. So finding a suspicious package in an airplane bathroom would be a likely candidate. Where are the cases where a “suspicious person” turned out to be a suspicious person? I know of no cases, and the current evidence of this thread is that racial profiling is creating a red herring (and will serve as a way for terrorists to be more effective in being invisible–see the white Jihad Jane, etc).

                    When it becomes culturally acceptable–under whatever pretense–to take anyone’s informing in an uncritical way, then we are veering toward a socially dangerous situation. It creates circumstances where people can deliberately generate false positives in various ways and for various reasons (as some men have learned the hard way about domestic violence, the example you cite). At the very least, in cases of false positives, there should be or could be repercussions for the one making the false report. In fact, for domestic violence, if the police determine that someone has made a false accusation, then that person may be charged with making a false report. In that case also, the person making the report is already known to the one accused. In this case, there is no such confrontation or repercussions, but there should be.

                    You might say this would dissuade people from making reports. That’s as it should be. People should not feel free to indulge in their racist fantasies about their fellow travelers. Laypeople have no idea what “reasonable grounds” are and they can still err on the side of caution and also moderate their fear-driven imaginings by forcing themselves to a certain level of internal confidence that their report really, actually, does need to be made. Moreover, in the case of a false positive, such people should have to face the ones they accused–aside from the sense of justice in this, it is also an educating moment, as it teaches that person that their basis for suspecting this person (perhaps because of the color of their skin) was unjust. We should want, culturally, to dissuade false positives (reports that lead to false positives), although of course it is in the interests of the ruling powers to put us in a situation where a sense of helplessness or fear makes us have to call authorities to deal with situations. That’s the moment that critically, socially disempowers us, and puts us that much closer to trammeled civil liberties and a police state.

                    With your respect for the rule of law, I would think you would support an addition to the current procedure that supported the effective function of the rule of law, rather than the effective abuse of law that allows authoritative bodies to further erode civil rights under the color of authority and arguments about national security.

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              • nonegiven

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Flying while brown does not constitute “Exigent Circumstance.”

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              • Sarah

                 /  September 15, 2011

                I think you answered your own argument quite effectively there: “Some REASONABLE basis”. Having dark skin or a foreign appearance is NOT a reasonable basis.

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              • Ron

                 /  October 19, 2011

                Sounds good except there was no reasonable argument to suspect their was danger.

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          • kay

             /  September 13, 2011

            I have to say that I agree with you Russ about the terrorists not winning because of this scenario and that this is a lesson about our system needing refinement. The protocol for dealing with such situation does not develop into a perfect system over night…not even over ten years. I am a flight attendant and I have a pretty good idea about how Shoshana’s situation manifested and to some extent I suspect she is correct… that she was included in the scenario because of the way she looks. Unfortunately, this is a result of the events ten years ago and of the intelligence that has been attained since then about how future attempts might be carried out. At this point, there is no better protocol than hypervigilance and that means that sometimes people are going to be held in suspicion until proven innocent. This is NOT meant to be the American way, but it is the best we’ve got for now to prevent another incident like the one ten years ago.

            I feel bad that Shoshana had to endure such humiliation and I hope that her experience helps people to understand that not everyone who may look like those men who orchestrated the horrific attacks in 2001 is a terrorist. I am certain, though, that she was included for another reason and that is the perceived suspicious behavior of her seatmates. In the end, these factors came together to create a situation that looked much like what might be the makings of a possible attack. Thankfully, as it turns out, the situation was completely innocent. Given that there was evidence of plans in the works for more attacks on this anniversary, I do not believe the actions taken in this instance were overdone. I am happy to know that the authorities treated Shoshana and her seat-partners with as much courtesy and respect as is possible in such a situation. In many other parts of the world, suspects are not treated as well.

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          • Jacqi

             /  September 13, 2011

            I so agree with you, Russ. If we had been more cautious 10 years ago, maybe the disaster would not have been so great. However, it is what is, and increased security is a making from the history of 9/11. I am sorry the writer was arrested, but in my book, better safe than sorry. Protocol is protocol. What is with people texting, tweeting, and talking nonstop on their cells, and computers when it is apparent that something is occurring. Could this have helped lead to the suspicions of the crew?

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          • Ann

             /  September 13, 2011

            You might be rational enough not to report people based on baseless suspicions, but not everyone is.

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          • jeanne

             /  September 13, 2011

            Survivor of 9/11 Tower 1: Your comment is SO well said, I too, would rather have this awful experience, because, yes, SOMETHING works…we remain safe from, most likely, hundreds of thwarted attempts at showing us we CAN be hurt!!

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              Please provide citations to support your assertion that the violation of people’s Constitutional rights has resulted in “hundreds of thwarted attempts.”

              We cannot assume that these things are working to keep us safer. And even if they are, we are sacrificing ideals that are supposed to be “uniquely” American – freedom, justice, equality – for this nebulous and unproven safety.

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              • Brenda

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Studies show it has stopped nothing.
                Brenda

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              • Allison, you are a true wonder. Your arguments are sound a realistic. Keep up the verbal sparring…let’s start a petition to force repeal of the Patriot Act. I recently heard a story on NPR about a middle aged white guy video taping the Mall of America (where he lives) to send to family over seas…He was arrested, sat for hours in a secret cell under the building and now has an FBI file and police record. For taping a video of an American tourist destination in his town to send to family. Another guy was fired, and while the arguments counter his claim that he was fired for being a loud mouthed liberal, it doesn’t matter. He too has an FBI file and a police report with his name on it. I am angry. Just by writing something like this, we could end up in someone’s hot water. “The only thing to fear is fear itself.” We’ve let fear win and we’ve lost so much in the bargain.

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              • Yoko

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I agree with you 100%, Allison.

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              • I wholeheartedly agree. When did skin colour define someone’s ability to harm others? We are so quick to judge others based on appearances. Yet, we fail to realise that sometimes the threat lies within the people we think are harmless. The police, the military, etc. I am grateful for what they do to protect the safety of the people, but at what cost? Has it really come down to violating innocent people’s constitutional rights just for the sake of clarifying a rumour with unfounded evidence? We also fail to realise that we do as much harm to other countries as we are doing to OUR VERY OWN CITIZENS. Lets recap this whole war against terrorism: we falsely accused people and stripped them of their constitutional rights for the sake of national security. BUT who protects those who were violated both in our country and elsewhere? The numerous people who were murdered or raped as a result of this war on terrorism. WHERE IS THEIR JUSTICE? Are they not people as well? Just because they don’t our constitutional rights doesn’t mean we should treat them any less than we expect for ourselves and families. I do support the underlying concept of security, but have we really let ourselves go to paranoia and fear? Before we act, we should act on solid evidence or at least pieces of solid evidence and not rumours before determining someone is a terrorist.

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              • Tom Triumph

                 /  September 14, 2011

                How was the Constitution violated? When one goes through security at the airport you are told a what the rules were. Someone accuses you and the police hold you so they can check it out. Holding someone for a limited period of time does not violate the Constitution. It sucks being held, and the fellow passenger might be an idiot, but the officers did their job without bias or abuse and you were writing about it the next day.

                It just bothers me that people jump so fast in assuming this when shitty stuff happens. We want people to use common sense, but, to be honest, that leads to bias and old boy networks and stereotyping because our common sense is based on experience (often limited). A rule of law treats everyone the same, so the author wasn’t left to rot or treated poorly because she’s “one of them”. Instead, she was investigated and released the same day. The Constitution, and the officers’ following it, got her through quickly and without incident.

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                • David

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Well said Tom. As she speaks of being pulled out because of the way she looks , she claims it to be because of the way she looks. Yet because the officers detaining her look to be the “REDNECK TYPE” she speaks of hating everything that might be Redneckish. If she wants for everyone to love each other then maybe should also live by the rule. I feel bad for what has happen to the young lady, but if you dont want the sterotype thinking to go on then start by living with no hate youreself.

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                • Sheep Hurrdurr

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  You need probable cause to arrest.

                  But that’s besides the point, because these people weren’t arrested. They were held without charges. If you can tell me what charges they were arrested under, feel free, because even they don’t know.

                  Strip/cavity searches, racial profiling, arrest without charges… all of these are “bias and abuse”. “A rule of law treats everyone the same”, so yes, I think it’s safe to say America doesn’t have a rule of law.

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                • Christian Lyons

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Really, a strip and orifice search is not a type of abuse? Come on. Her background check and interview should have precluded a strip/orifice search. How humiliating for this poor woman. I think she’s being rather kind in her blog. If it were me being falsely accused and strip/orifice searched, I think I’d be a lot more upset than this. If this were an elderly white woman sitting next to two Indian guys, I doubt she would have been subjected to the same “process.” This is coming from a 46 year old white male and former flight attendant who was actually in flight during the terror attacks of 9/11.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Being strip and cavity searched because someone filed an unsubstantiated report of unspecified suspicious activity is not “without incident.” The Fourth Amendment restricts unreasonable searches and seizure. Ms. Shebshi’s experience, in my opinion, falls under that heading.

                  The problem here IS bias. Bias on the part of the unknown and uninvestigated fellow passenger who originally made the false accusation. Then, bias on the part of the authorities who took that false accusation at face value without determining whether the accusation had any merit to begin with.

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                  • Of course, we have these regulations only because of the eight years of the GWBush administration. Now our society is being prodded into becoming suspicious of our fellow Americans instead of the powerful politicians who deserve to be scrutinized.

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                • Show-me Skeptic

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Constitution not violated? Are you nuts? This woman was dragged off a plane, handcuffed, strip searched and detained. All she did was travel by air while dark-skinned — I guess in the modern-day U.S., that’s a crime! The Constitution was most assuredly violated, it guarantees that we wil be free from unreasonable searched and seizures. This strip search and this detwention (seizure) were blatantly unreasonable. Somebody needs to be fired over this.

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                • rba8053

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Tom Triumph is completely correct. There was no violation of Civil Rights. She was not charged for anything due to her race. It does suck, but it is for the safety of everyone. Being a patriotic American and of Latino descent, if Mexico or any other Latin country did something as awful as the 9/11 attacks, I would be completely understanding of being searched on the anniversary of the attacks when I am traveling on the exact same method of the attack. I would not be whining or crying.

                  You have to look beyond yourself sometimes at what is best for the country, not just you. We have become so selfish, and the media portrays all these rights in an incorrect light. Just because you get pulled over for speeding and you are of color does not mean you were racially profiled. If we continue down this line of reasoning that everyone who is racially profiled and simply questioned (not even arrested or treated bad) has had their civil rights violated, law enforcement will be walking on egg shells around anyone of color, and violence and crime as well as actual terrorist attacks will become more prevalent and easy.

                  Thank you Shoshana for doing your American duty of answering the questions and cooperating with the authorities. It sucks you were detained in that fashion, but it was done properly and as a preventative measure on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack. You should be proud to have been helpful in clearing it up, but without complaining.

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                  • Irish

                     /  September 15, 2011

                    rba8053…
                    You must work for the Government! I have looked over your comments to many of the posters… Look away from the author being Arabic/Jewish. scrub her color from the picture. She was arrested, STRIP SEARCHED, SEXUALLY ASSAULTED (cavity searched), detained, and questioned without a warrant or probable cause.
                    YOU need to re-think your belief that the Constitution and further SCOTUS interpretations allow for this!
                    In the absence of known criminal behavior, not being informed of the charges against her, I think it is perfectly reasonable for the author to wonder if the reason she was being treated this way was because of her skin. Law abiding Americans deserve better than this!
                    YOU PERSONALLY should reflect on this situation! Re-think and re-read the 4th Amendment and the relevant SCOTUS decisions. Arabic, Latino, Irish, or Black; No AMERICAN should be treated this way!!
                    Shame on you for suggesting otherwise!

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                  • Mike

                     /  September 15, 2011

                    Mr.Latino,
                    Will you be ok if you were racially profiled in Arizona for “looking like an illegal immigrant who jumped over the border with 13 kids”. How about searching you for machetes and suspected of being a radical member of “La Raza” groups.

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                • J.D.

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  This case is a clear-cut violation of constitutional rights. Yes, in cases of imminent & credible national security threats, our “normal” rights may be stepped on in that greater interest. However, there clearly was not a credible threat here. To take the major step of strip searching someone is a HUGE violation of privacy rights. It’s one thing to pull someone off of a plane, pat them down, question them, even check their background through reports. It’s a completely different thing to strip search someone. And, by the way, caselaw does not consider 6 hours to be a “limited period of time” when that time involves holding one’s urination and being subjected to a strip search. If you don’t understand how describing a strip search to merely “suck” is not only offensive to the lady who endured it but also offensive to the Founding Fathers (one of their top priorities in the Constitution was to free citizens from unwarranted searches and seizures; check out the Federalist Papers & see how much of the discussion is dedicated to this one issue), why don’t you have a stranger jab his/her hands in every hole of your body as you stand hoping that the camera nearby has not recorded the ordeal. Oh, and be sure to try to hold you pee while you do it.

                  J.D.

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                • Can't Stand Idiots

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Actually, being held is a “seizure” under the Constitution, and is not allowed “without probable cause.” There was absolutely NO probable cause for seizing Shoshana, let alone the other two gentlemen whose only “crime” was to use the restroom coincidentally at the same time. The U.S. Supreme Court has already held that portions of the Patriot Act ARE unconstitutional. Our founding forefathers must be spinning in their graves.

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                  • zirjo

                     /  September 15, 2011

                    Yessssssssss..that is my opinion such a free country???
                    While China and Russia are becoming more tolerant of their people..we are going the other way..

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                • Irish

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  Tom, break out your copy of the constitution… Well, with comments like these, you might have not seen it except for that week you saw it in your high school studies. *sigh* The constitution and the Bill of rights was trampled on during this. You are free to move about the country feeling secure that your person, papers, and home will not be subjected to search or seizure without a warrant being issued upon a sworn affidavit from your accuser. No arrest can be made without charges described in the warrant.
                  Terms like “Exigent Circumstances” are being thrown around here and it saddens me. No one was in imminent danger that was observed by the arresting authority, so that is out… “officer safety” was in no doubt secured with the pat down after they got off the plane, so a “Terry stop” was all that was needed here. There was no evidence of probable cause found in their seats, on their person, or in the bathrooms by officers, Flight attendants, or passengers.
                  Further detention, searching, strip searching, and questioning without a warrant would be unconstitutional…
                  An informed, educated and aware population would have never let America slip this far from the path…

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              • Authority

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Allison, there have not been hundreds, there have been so much more. There is nothing to quote because the “authorities” do not make every attempt public. Just like they don’t make every murder, rape, etc. public either. Don’t you think they know how much more fear that would cause? If you would like proof, go to the nearest police station and ask to see their stats. Then imagine that throughout every city in every state around the country. You seem intelligent. Do not assume you know everything and do not assume everything is made public.

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                • Holly

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Actually, they do make every murder, rape, and every other crime committed in the U.S. public. They have to. All crimes investigated, all arrests made, and all court documents are public record. In certain crimes, names of victims are not reported in the news to attempt to protect those victims, and juveniles are not generally named because they aren’t of age or being tried as adults. Just because people don’t pay attention to the reports, or because it’s not front page news, does not mean all criminial activity is not public record. The problem with what happened to the author and many others who are detained is that detention is not an arrest. It is not public record because there is no real paperwork inovolved if they aren’t actually arrested. The authorities, whichever variety of authority they are, can detain anyone they like, for any “suspicious” behavior, real or imagined. That is where our laws fail us as citizens. We have allowed our country to become, over many years, so afraid that many Americans feel it is worth giving up some of their rights to feel “protected.” There is no measure that will fully protect you from all the dangers you can imagine and all that exist if your government and its agencies are among those dangers.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  If there have been hundreds, then surely someone can provide at least a few examples.

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                  • Flying is not a right. If you don’t agree to the security procedures, then stop complaining and drive.

                    As for what Authority said, he is absolutely right. The government has stopped many terrorist plots, (such as the Seattle Recruiting Station shooters, or the Times Square bombing plot), doing what they are doing now. There are many more that none of us know about. Its a dirty job, but I’d rather be patted down in airport security than be on a plane thats going to crash into a building.

                    Again, flying isn’t a right. Its a privilege. Drive if you want to complain.

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                    • SilenceDogood

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      @ BB 9/14, 2011 at 4:35 pm

                      Actually, flying is a right. It is a guaranteed and enumerated right in the US Code. You can read it right here, in fact:

                      USC 49 § 40103. SOVEREIGNTY AND USE OF AIRSPACE:

                      (2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.

                      http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_49_00040103—-000-.html

                      Perhaps you can point the rest of us to the conflicting law? Didn’t think so.

                      And to your other points, the Seattle Recruiting Station shooters were, like many others, people who were given money, plots, and weapons BY the FBI so that the FBI could trot up a terrorism charge.

                      Times Square Bomber? Not actually thwarted at all. Merely incompetent. And the boys and girls at TSA actually allowed him to board a plane due to their own gross incompetence.

                      If there are so many more cases like the ones you cited, well, then yeah, Allison is right, there are NO future attacks being thwarted. NOT ONE.

                    • Ron

                       /  October 19, 2011

                      No thanks. I will fly and complain until the wrongs are righted. I’m sure none of your examples involved evidence as weak as two men going to the restroom at the same time.

                • Jeanine

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  ‘Authority’ you seem to have a problem understanding the concept of democracy and civil rights. Our government (of which these hapless TSA and FBI morons are a sorry part)–IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. I do not know ‘everything’ but I do know the difference between JUSTICE and FASCISM. Like far too many public officials you would have us ‘shut up and obey.’ To you I would say if you like dictatorships then move to Saudi.

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              • Lane Yarbrough

                 /  September 14, 2011

                She does state “most likely”….no citation needed.

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                • David Alison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  And the three brown people on the airplane sitting together are “most likely” terrorists. Unsubstantiated facts are so helpful.

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              • Anne

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Excellent response. I personally have to endure “pat-downs” each and everytime I fly as I have a prosthetic hip. I am blonde and blue-eyed, smiling and friendly toward all TSA, yet I am subjected to being handled, literally, before getting on any flight. No one will ever convince me that this makes anyone on the plane I am about to board any safer. It’s smoke and mirrors. I have no recourse….if I want to fly, I MUST allow this. Yes, America is a changed country since 9/11, but as several have already said, refinement in our techniques to identify credible threats is necessary as we find case after case of non-common-sensical searches occurring. Blanket approaches to solving most any problem in life rarely work well. We are Americans. We are suppose to be free to pursue life, liberty and happiness. I am tired of the unspoken idea that I may be a criminal because my body causes a machine to beep. It’s a machine, and I am a human being, deserving rights afforded to me by my Maker. The US Constitution affords me rights as a citizen. When will someone come along that has the insight to see where the line is to be drawn in order to provide security for all of us, and detect with some degree of certainty the people who would attempt to destroy our peace of mind?

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              • Joe Jericho

                 /  September 14, 2011

                He can’t provide the example. TSA hasn’t found one terrorist since it was created and hasn’t thwarted one thing. Sure, the found the underwear bomber – after the fact, and it wasn’t TSA who actually found him. I am sympathetic with those who survived the Towers going down. My Aunt and Uncle have lived in Manhattan for 40 years and my Uncle was running through a subway tunnel getting away from the fallen towers. But, if someone was in the tower that day and got out, I will give them a pass on any comment they make regarding this. It’s just too personal for them. I’m sure some of these people probably wanted to nuke Afghanistan, etc. You just gotta let it pass.

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              • Dan from NYC

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I am not being contentious when I ask you to state specifically, which constitutional rights were violated?

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                • zirjo

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  what kind of question is this>>?? what school did you go to? where were you born?How old are you? 12?

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            • You say we remain safe because of things like this happening. When has there been any threat thwarted because of an unsubstantiated report of “suspicious” activity? There have been threats averted because of diligent work by government officials, but all I see with these overreactive paranoid people is them apologizing in the end and basically saying “No hard feelings.” Then people who don’t have dark skin say they would gladly go through the situation if it meant they were safer. Wow, maybe that’s because the worse you will ever go through is a pat down! And you think THAT is humiliating! Just take the time to imagine being carted off in handcuffs and thrown into jail, even though you have done NOTHING and ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN! Even though this story was publicized, there are still people out there who 1-think maybe she did do something, or 2-at the very least she delayed whatever they were doing that day and incomvenienced THEM. But, hey, no harm, no foul, right?

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              • The truth is, being in a criminal justice program and sitting through classes on public administration, not every single “unsubstantiated report of “suspicious” activity” is looked into, but in situations where the country is on max alert because of threats from Al Qaeda (Starr, Ahlers, Jansen, 2011) then the common belief throughout the government is some people should have to sacrifice their rights if a suspicious act is perceived. I would normally strongly disagree with people having to sacrifice their rights but if there is already a perceived credible threat it changes things. In this case the report cam from the crew (Elizabeth Chuck), and was most likely perceived because it came from the crew as viable enough of a report to react to. I’m sorry that Hebshi and the two Indian men felt violated but i would like to think that if I was in the same situation I would accept it, but that might just be because I am biased and want to go into a government job after graduation.

                http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44501310/ns/us_news-security/?GT1=43001

                http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-09/us/terrorism.threat_1_al-qaeda-cells-raid-on-osama-bin-plot?_s=PM:US

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                • That the report came from the flight crew (a point I suggested was more credible up above before I read this post) doesn’t change the analysis of the situation, except that it shows the training of flight crews needs some tweaking.

                  The fear people express about being secretly accused has to be factored in with any fear of terrorist attacks. For the author of this post, informing not terrorism was the source of terror. It is reassuring, in one way, that it was a flight crew person who made the report, because one can assume that flight crews have a much, much better idea of what suspicious activity might look like on a plane, although that doesn’t make them immune to racism or tendencies to racially profile, etc. So the only material change that this piece of information introduces is that it demonstrates that official bodies may be likely (and probably should be likely) to respond more to “more qualified reports”. If official bodies respond to someone who is right 98% of the time, that reduces false positives
                  tremendously, as opposed to leaving it up to fear-riddled passengers who are, literally, just guessing.

                  This doesn’t address issues of racial profiling, etc., but it points to a way to have workably enhanced surveillance (which is not the same thing as saying greater safety) without subjecting people to what turns out to be unnecessary unpleasantness. I hope that no one has lost sight of the fact that the author has, by these acts against her, been subjected to terrorism. It is an act of terrorism (State-sponsored) for authoritarian bodies to subject someone to this treatment (in my book, even if they’re guilty). It is a display of force that leaves an impression, quite apart from whatever excuses or justifications we (or anyone) wants to offer about necessary security and whatnot. That is, it may be security AND it is terror at the same time. It is terror that extends to her children, as a story, to her friends, as an experience she relates. It comes with anger as well, of course, but the perfectly rational response “I won’t fly on 9/11 anymore” belies the traces of violence done to this woman.

                  I propose in the case of all false positives that the accuser minimally should have to be confronted by the accused. Anonymous reporting cannot be allowed in cases of what turn out to be false positives. People should know when they make mistakes, and if those mistakes are racially motivated (then they’re not mistakes, but acts of terror themselves), then being shamed for those mistakes is not inappropriate.

                  I propo

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            • Jeanine

               /  September 14, 2011

              Jeanne and ‘survivor of 9/11 tower 1: RELINQUISHING YOUR RIGHTS TO DIGNITY AND DUE PROCESS DOES NOT MAKE YOU SAFE. IT ONLY MAKES YOU A TARGET FOR FASCISTS. I suspect that neither one of you looks like the targeted racial groups. You would rather live in a ‘safe’ prison’ than a free society? 9/11 was horrendous, but it was a sneak attack. There is no rational way to be 1005 ‘safe.’ All we can do is use some reasonable awareness. As for ‘survivor of tower 1′: how do we know you are who you say you are? You could just as likely be a troll working for the RACIST BIGOTS IN THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE TRUE TRAITORS ARE THE AUTHORS OF THESE LAWS–PATRIOT AND SO ON. NOTICE HOW NOBODY PROFILES WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES AFTER TIMOTHY MCVEIGH MURDERED HUNDREDS. Frankly, Jeanne, your prejudice and blindness to privilege is showing.

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            • Benjamin Franklin

               /  September 14, 2011

              You suck, Jeanne. You want a different America (maybe one like Russia or China) — one that lives in fear and without liberty. You need to evolve. Now, you sounds just like a non-thinking animal.

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            • marc

               /  September 14, 2011

              Think of the northern civil rights campaigners of the 60′s. Going south for a cause. Now consider your own perspective. How safe does your government need to make you feel? Not everybody can have their courage but everybody needs some.

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          • Carol

             /  September 13, 2011

            I feel badly that this has happened to you because of your skin color.
            Unfortunately, people profile all the time. It can be ecause of skin color, or speech accent, or because they are fat. My friend is constantly looked down on because he doesn’t have a “job” and he is Native American. He is a very well known artist but that doesn’t seem to ‘count’. I am overweight and I am profiled constantly. Everyone, even doctors, have a tendency to think people become fat because of over eating In my case, it is because my body does not make enough Human Growth Hormone. I can’t fix it because athletes and others have abused it so there is no insurance company anywhere that will cover the high cost. I think we are all at fault because of our fears, our hate and our inability to trust.

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            • walt

               /  September 13, 2011

              Does this suggest that only people of color can be terrorist?

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              The fact that “people profile all the time” doesn’t always result in a strip search and cavity search and the violations of Constitutional rights that resulted in THIS case of profiling.

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              • Joe

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Allison, I agree with your comments 100%. Today a friend of mine wrote on facebook that her prosthetic breast was swabed for explosives. My doctore explained to me that he will never go through the x-ray machines if he is selected for an enhanced search. He explained to me that exposure to radiation is cumulative and back scatter x-rays are more dangerous than a regular x-ray of your arm or lungs because those x-rays are pinpointed. Back Scatter x-rays do exactly that, they scatter radiation all over your body. With all of the negative publicity, you would think that the police would use some common sense in the way that they conducted themselves. What happend to this lady was outragious. Thanks again for your comments Allison

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              • julianna

                 /  September 14, 2011

                This was not a violation of her constitutional rights. As a travelor in the post 9/11 world we live in, we all have the right to be safe. If you don’t like what is happening, drive to your destination. I am so tired of people complaining about civil liberties being violated. If the authorities didn’t act on the tip or even if it was just someone profiling, and there was an explosion or another accident, we all would have been screaming that they didn’t do enough to thwart another attack. You can’t have it both ways. I say profile away. As an American you must understand this…period!!! We didn’t do this to ourselves…those cowards on 9/11/2001 did this. We just have to try and make sure it doesn’t happen again and if that means some blogger from Ohio ….some Father from Virginia…..Some grandmother from Florida…some child from California gets profiled and detained…so be it. This country can not handle another attack and neither can I!!!

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                • we all have the right to be safe.

                  No. No, we don’t. “Being safe” is not a right. And if “being safe” is that important to you, then I trust you don’t drive a car (thousands of people die EACH! YEAR!), or send your child to public school (since so many teachers are being convicted of molesting children). And I’m sure you don’t buy food from the grocery store, with all the reports of e. coli contamination that happen every year.

                  You may be tired of people “whining” about their civil liberties being violated; I’m tired of people using Orwell as a social blueprint.

                  You may be unable to “handle” another such attack on US soil; but if so that’s not my problem. There have been attacks on US soil before, and there will be again, at some point. I will point out, thou9.gh, that at some point between 9/11/01 and that next attack, you’re probably going to be dead.

                  Heart attack, cancer, car wreck, falling down the stairs, an allergic reaction to some medication, maybe even a spider bite. Drowning, perhaps. All of these things are MUCH more likely to happen to you than another 9/11 type event occurring. If the government can’t keep you “safe” from the first seven items on that list, what makes you think they can keep you “safe” from an event that is statistically so astronomically rare as a terrorist bombing in this country?

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                  • SilenceDogood

                     /  September 16, 2011

                    All excellent points, though these people aren’t interested in facts. They’re terrified of their own shadows.

                    As strega42 points out, car accidents are far more deadly than 9/11!.

                    In fact, there is the equivalent of 9/11! every month on America’s streets. If 9/11! is so scary, then yeah, you should stop driving, too.

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                • Julianna:

                  Actually, for someone who doesn’t want another 9/11, you are committing a micro-version of it in this post. Your words are an attempt to terrorize, to suggest that my civil rights should be violated, removed. You say I must understand this–or else? Is that it?

                  I’m smart enough, or reflective enough, to know that if I spend every day living in fear, then every day of my life is screwed-off. I’d rather be scared at those times when I need to be. I was sitting in a cafe one day, and this guy came in, and I had a very strong, visceral reaction that I needed to be somewhere else. I didn’t “report him” I just left, feeling ridiculous that I was, but also knowing I’d feel even more ridiculous if I stayed and something happened. I checked later–nothing had happened. This was probably not my finest hour, but I don’t spend all of my time being paranoid about people–that’s just dumb to do to myself.

                  Your words frightten me. Your words are the kind that countries I wouldn’t want to live in encourage and promote. If I was elsewhere, I could inform on you as a terrorist, and you would be swept away. Case closed. Problem solved. It’s tempting of course. It’s such an easy way to deal with “people we are scared by”–but is that where we really want to live? Do you? The more reasonable response, of course, is to call for your censorship, but that’s just the same thing–a more polite, gentler kind of death. Is that what you want?

                  When people say, “If you have a problem with this country, go somewhere else,” my response is, “My problem is with you. You go somewhere else.” If you are going to stump for US values and the defense of the US, then please at least don’t violate those values in what you want. The very fact that your intemperate remarks will not and should not be taken as an input to the crafting of any security policy, though the fear and concern in your voice would be taken into account, is a testimony to what part of the US is good in how it functions. Racists want to lynch people of color; they’re generally ignored. Men want to beat women; they’re generally punished. You want a fascist government; no thanks. You will find friends in politics to back you up and who will try to implement what you want, but luckily most of them are just lying to you that that’s what they’re doing, and really they’re just making sure they can line their pockets more with moolah, using your terror to ensure their reelection and the income stream coming to them through the department of defense and the prison-industrial complex.

                  You’re not representing your own self-interests by being frightened like you are.

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              • Joe Jericho

                 /  September 14, 2011

                This is right. The fact of the matter is that not everyone is awake yet. I guess it is ok to do this until it is done to you, a family member or a friend. I don’t roll like that. The Police State is violating all of our Constitutional rights, especially at the airport. While I realize that we don’t have the full plethora of rights that we get outside the airport, per Supreme Court jurisprudence, there is still no doubt that our 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendment rights are being violated at times by certain people (TSA). I’d rather drive across the country at this point than subject myself to this kind of government intrusion in my life. I doubt that I politically agree with the blog owner about much. After all, she virtuously cited to Malcom X of all people. But still, I stand with her in her right to be free of this kind of government intrusion without more cause on the part of the government. Today it is her. Tomorrow, it is all of us.

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            • Every one seems to understand that being secure is not easy and a threat real or imagined on a day when the perpetraitors vowed to attack again must be acknowledged and dealt with period. It just so happened that the author of the blog fits the so called profile. They were all sitting together and not related or even familiar. Odd seat selection? Last thing, the fat Jada Pinkett remark hit two groups of people with one stone Blacks and overweight people. The buzz cut white guy who looked like the police another questionable description of human beings. If you don’t want to be
              subjected to discrimination and profiling find a better way to describe other human beings. I am not saying whether the reaction was appropriate? however the description of hardworking foot soldiers of American Security on 9/11 leaves a lot to think about.

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            • The speed of trust. We are unable to trust because so many lack integrity and honesty. In order to recieve trust one must first BE trust worthy. There in lies a large part of the world’s problem.

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            • Blanche

               /  September 14, 2011

              Carol: Your remark was timely as the author, herself, profiled the female uniformed officer as a “fat Jada Pinkett Smith”. I think she could have chosen another descriptive adjective but she chose a word that, as we all know, signifies contempt of an individual’s physical appearance, no matter what the reason. So, we should ALL be aware of how we treat others and the way we want to be treated and what we say. On the same note, what happened to her was reprehensible but African-Americans have been profiled for decades and experienced far, far worse (try lynching). I wonder how many times Ms. Shebshi experienced indignation when she saw other people of color experience events similar to her own and felt compelled to speak out? In no way are my comments meant to demean Ms. Shebshi. She is correct to speak out but please not to forget that there were many people before you right here in their own country who weren’t even allowed to express their righteous indignation the way Ms. Shebshi has.

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          • Russ, I congratulate you on they way you expressed your views if this situation and agree completely. I think Shoshana’s account of the situation was genuine, including the descriptions of the officers. I believe she was allowing herself to express, honestly, what she was thinking and feeling. It seems to me that America has still not come to grips with it’s ethnicity. We still hear of a crime and hope silently that the criminal can in no way be linked to us either by race, ethnicity or color. When we get to the point where it is okay to say (for descriptive purposes only) that a person of a particular ethnicity IS that ethnicity without it sounding racist, we will be on the road to evolution. When people try to describe me without using my ethnicity or race, it makes it quite difficult for someone to envision who I may be but as soon as someone says the [ethnicity/race] woman who was on the elevator, for example, there is a way to identify me accurately. In Shoshana’s instance, though, her “look” is neither her race nor ethnicity and that creates another problem for American racism. It seems that if you have dark, straight hair and light-brown skin, we Americans have not found an identifier for you yet. As this is America, THE melting pot, throw in long, silky, curly dark hair with dark-brown skin and we are once again befuddled.

            Homeland Security and the FBI did exactly as they should. They were respectful and thorough. I have been through the same type of search TWICE. once returning from Mexico and again returning from Canada, Because I’d done nothing wrong, I was not concerned.

            This a a way of life now and we need to accept it.

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              No, we do not need to accept the random violation of a person’s Constitutional rights based on unsubstantiated reports of unspecified suspicious activity from untrained civilians who are not questions about the veracity of their suspicions.

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              • Susan

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Allison, there is nothing ‘random’ about flying on a plane on the the 10th anniversay of 9/11. And when somebody calls the authorities to report what they perceive as a threat, the authorities simply follow protocol. Flying on planes post- 9/11 is an inconvenience for everybody, unfortunately some more than others. That’s what happens when hijackers take over planes and kill THOUSANDS of innocent people!

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                • Allison

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  Yes, there is. Not everyone can plan their travel plans in order to avoid a specific date. And you’ll notice that not every single person flying on 9/11 was handcuffed, detained, strip searched, cavity searched, and interrogated, which according to your logic they should have been, simply for flying on 9/11?

                  The protocol, in this case, is bullshit. An unknown and untrained civilian, operating under who knows what, can notify authorities of his or her “suspicions” of another passenger, and the authorities take that unsubstantiated report without investigating the validity of it? Really? So, if I call in a report to DSS that you’re beating your kids, the DSS authorities should take that report without asking me any questions about why I’m making it, what I’ve seen and witnessed, what I suspect, etc., and then yank your kids out of your home? Because that’s the equivalent of what happened here. And I really don’t think you want that.

                  Hijackers on 9/11/01 killed thousands of people. Ms. Shebshi is not related in any way to that event.

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                  • Tina

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Maybe i’m wrong, but I don’t recall her mentioning a cavity search. A strip search is far different than a cavity search, just saying.

                    And yes, each and every claim of child abuse should be investigated, but the “equivalent” of this situation would be them coming to your home, asking you questions, looking through your house, looking on your child for bruises, seeing the claims were incorrect apologizing and leaving your home.

                    Having yourself detained for questioning isn’t the same as having a child ripped out of your home on unsubstantiated claims. And who said they DIDN’T ask the person these questions, and the person answered with specific examples describing her concerns? Two men leaving at the same time to use the bathroom (could be discussing a terrorist plot) the person sitting next to them ignoring everybody while texting on her phone (could be somebody contacting a person arranging the terrorist plot).

                    It’s hard to put yourself in somebodys shoes, but it’s very easy to judge them for the feelings they had and choices they made.

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                    • Minuialear

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      The equivalent would be taking the children away for questioning (without explaining why they are being taken away), as well as doing a thorough search of your house, after which point they finally tell you that a neighbor said she heard you yelling and assumed there was some sort of abuse.

                      This incident wasn’t a friendly “We’re just going to ask you some questions” sort of affair. Police with machine guns marched into the plane, handcuffed three people, dragged them off to a detention center without a word about what was going on, left them locked up for hours, questioned them about everything under the sun, strip searched them, and then explained the situation. The fact that they even had the gall to ask if she spoke English when she’d been asking them what the deal was for hours was indicative of the sort of respect she was given AS A CITIZEN, and that ought to disgust anyone.

                      As for the claims themselves, I sincerely doubt those two men were the only men who used the bathroom in succession, and I sincerely doubt she was the only person texting or using her cellphone once the plane landed, so that is bullshit. This event reeks of racial profiling, and her treatment is inexcusable given the scant reasons for suspicion that were reported.

                    • “They also needed to make sure all my orifices were free and clear.” I guess you have a different definition of cavity then.

                    • nonegiven

                       /  September 15, 2011

                      ““equivalent” of this situation would be them coming to your home, asking you questions, looking through your house, looking on your child for bruises, seeing the claims were incorrect apologizing and leaving your home. ”

                      Wrong, if a social worker comes to your door wanting to investigate a report of child abuse, even accompanied by a uniformed police officer, you are not required to let them in, speak to them or let them speak to or inspect your children. You ask if they have a warrant or court order, if they don’t then you tell them to go away.

                  • Charls Martel

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    The validity of a report is verified in this manner. Tey could have also stormed the plane and shot the suspects, but that would be what you are describing. Your comment about DSS follows the same logic as the previous one.

                    The claim was made, the claim was verified.

                    By continuing with your logic we could say that only 100 percent verified claims are to be investigates or confronted? who is then responsable for the inital tip? can only a trained indevidual classify someone as suspicious and give a report to be followed up on?

                    thought problem: 3 personell on a plane have explosives hidden on their persons. a report was made as to these 3 suspicious indeviduals. how would this report be verified? any different from the above story?

                    On another vein, I am just curious as to what actions here violated someones rights?

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                    • “The claim was made, the claim was verified.”

                      Incorrect. The claim was made, and then the claim was acted upon. It was not verified. That’s the problem.

                    • There really are people out there wondering whether and how a person’s rights were violated here? Our protagonist, a law-abiding citizen on the way to see her law-abiding husband, was detained for hours on an unsubstantiated decision and strip-searched. The Fourth Amendment says that you have the right to be guarded against unreasonable searches and seizures. How do you define “reasonable”? Does relying on the unfounded, unverified, unsubstantiated accusation of a random stranger who’s a bit racist and paranoid really strike you as “reasonable”?

                  • Duane

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Allison, I have to agree with you 100%. The simple fact is, the current “protocols” would not stop an intelligent, trained and determined terrorist anyway – maybe a crazed nutcase, but that’s about it. The “protocls” that existed on 9/11 SHOULD have stopped most of the hijackings then – but they didn’t. What was missing then is the same thing that is stil missing now – common sense. Without that, no protocol on Earth will work.

                    And personally speaking, certain of our rights are worth protecting with life and limb – which means that they are worth taking risks for. I would not want “perfect” security if it meant giving up my freedom. Inconvenience, sure. True freedom, no. When we do that out of fear, then the terrorists win.

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                  • A realist

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Youre rational is very selfish. Although this poor woman and the two men had to go through this ordeal for what turned out to be no reason, safety is still important to the other civilians and US citizens on the plane. Our government and its the entities working for it are there to keep you, me, and this Lady safe from a real threat of death and terrorist actions. This is the world that we live in. We cannot just forget…to substantiate a claim now-a-days on a bomb threat is a 50-50 shot at suicide. Like it or not, this is the world we live in. This is the result of evil pockets of terror making life harder for all of us. Our world will never be as simple as you lay out in your comments. Our world is changed, and cooperation to prevent another 3000 deaths is a small sacrifice for the greater good.

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Sacrificing somebody else’s Constitutional rights is not what I, or many people here, want as “the price of freedom.”

                    • Joe Jericho

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Realist, please tell me where the real threat of death was on that flight? I am sure you will be able to quickly articulate it. Or are you suggesting that there is a real threat of death everytime a plane takes off in this world? I will grant you that a plane can crash, but I can get in a crash pulling out of my driveway in the morning. Please explain yourself.

                    • Honestly your willingness to violate people for supposed protection is far more selfish than not wanting anyone to be violated for supposed protection. You’re a fool.

                • Joe

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  Susan,
                  We also have Inalienable rights as citizens of this great nation. We have 4th Amendment rights that guarantee us freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. What was done was a complete violation of this woman’s Constitutional Rights! I don’t remember the quote of Benjamin Franklin exactly, but it went something like this ‘Those who are willing to give up their Liberty for the sake of security deserve neither’. As long as we continue to have TSA, FBI and Police Officers who are abusing their power we have in fact ALLOWED the terrorists to win. By the way, I have spent the last 35 years of my life in Law Enforcement and I believe the manner that LE’s conducted themselves in this situation and many others is outragiously wrong.

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                • Susan, do you mean to say, brown people should “deliberately” not fly on 9/11, because there flying cannot be perceived as random? Random work, random visit to somebody ailing, random visit to a wife or a girlfriend who was unlucky to be born on 9/11 years before the incident?

                  So much for The American Dream.

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                • mac

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  The authorities were simply following protocol? Wasn’t this the defense the Nazi guards used when they rounded up Jews and sent them to the camps?

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                  • Joe Jericho

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Yep. Same with the Communists in Stalinist Russia, Mao’s China, Fidel’s Cuba and Kim’s North Korea.

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                • Anthony

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  I’d rather my plane explode than be subjected to this tyranny. Good thing I moved out of the fascist United States. I’m really worried about when I have to go back and visit my family. I won’t answer any questions, hold me in the cell. Government thug scumbags, the whole lot of them are.

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                • SilenceDogood

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Look, Susan, it’s a dangerous world in this post-9/11 era. If you and thousands of others are so afraid to fly on 9/11, then you shouldn’t fly on 9/11. Simple as pie.

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                • Dan from NYC

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Well said Susan!

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              • I support Rationality

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I agree with Allison. We do not have to accept violations of our rights. Rational minds need to prevail. I’m sick of hearing the old “if I didn’t do anything wrong I don’t have to be afraid” argument. What if Shoshana had been with her kids? What if she was on her way to visit her dying father? A six-hour or more delay with no cause is not harmless. This is America. We prize our freedom.

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            • Jim

               /  September 13, 2011

              America doesn’t have “an ethnicity”. We are a melting pot of people from all over the world. We are a nation of immigrants and natives, people of all nations who have come here to make their lives. The concept that someone thinks we have “an american ethnicity” is so repugnant that it’s not even funny. Shoshana, I for one, as a fellow American Citizen, apologize to you for what you suffered. You handled it with much more dignity than I would have. You prove that in spite of ourselves, America has hope. Thank you for that.

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            • Shelly very well said!

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            • Marnie

               /  September 14, 2011

              If we accepted that unfair and inhumane treatment by anyone or towards anyone – including the government – was inevitable, we’d still be in the 1700′s. Don’t you have any sense of pride in the essence of what it means to be American, with not only the right, but the duty to stand up and speak out against injustices? Complacency and laziness is the antithesis of the American Dream, and will lead to the rotting of our way of life from the inside out – a situation many times worse than what anyone else can do to us, but exactly what they wish they could do. But in that case, they haven’t won – we forfeited. Truly, ignorance is not bliss – it is a path to destruction.

              We need to figure out a way to rise above these issues that separate us, and unite as citizens, to fight for the values that this country was built upon, and has struggled to achieve for so many years. We need to speak up, and make our voices heard. We need to stop allowing the politicians to run our country on their own personal platforms, and really start taking back our power.

              Shoshana, I am so sorry that you endured this treatment… I can only hope that you can find the strength and love in your heart to forgive – for your own peace of mind – and that your story might be able to make a difference, inspiring more people to stand up and speak out for the freedoms we obviously need to take more responsibility for maintaining, lest we lose them while we’re not looking.

              Thank you for opening yourself up like this, and sharing your story.

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            • You can go through life as someone who allows government to infringe upon your constitutional rights by simply saying this is a “way of life” and we need to accept if you like. However, that kind of attitude will take us down a road towards tyranny, and I would not want to see that.

              No, the FBI and Homeland Security did not do exactly as they should. They were acting upon policies that are based on fear and ignorance and do nothing to further protect us. This is no different than TSA agents groping an 85 year old or even a young child.

              As Benjamin Franklin said – “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

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            • Dave in SB

               /  September 14, 2011

              Shelly Are you #@*&ing kidding??? This is a way of life now?? Accept it?? Our founding fathers felt that a free people were not meant to be subject to this kind of arbitrary crap and that is a great part what made this country great, in the first place. Sadly, people like you are handing over our rights and freedoms, for your illusory sense of safety, such that someday we will just have fond memories of the freedoms our founding fathers gave us through the Constitution!!!

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            • ruth

               /  September 18, 2011

              Shelly – I don’t have to accept anyone sticking their fingers in my vagina and butthole because of another person’s unfounded suspicions. No, I surely do not. It’s a violation and our Constitution protects against it for better reasons than the current fear. It does nothing in this case to ensure national security. What it does is set a precedent for those with some type of authority to do it to you because someone reported something “suspicious.” And eventually that person making a report could be your neighbor that has a petty disagreement with you and goes extreme or someone who just disagrees with your political beliefs. I’ve already had this type of situation occur with me post-9/11 and Patriot Act, and no, it did nothing to further your security or anyone else’s. But it did a whole lot to violate my sense of personal security and safety, which is what is seems to have done in this case.

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          • Thomas Hamilton

             /  September 13, 2011

            I agree, the system needs to be fine tone, but i rather have to go through a slight inconvenienced than to have 50 to 60,000 people lose their lives,because the system was being politically correct —–we are at WAR.

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              What Mrs. Shebshi experienced was not a slight inconvenience. It was a gross violation of her Constitutional rights. War does not suspend those rights for American citizens.

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              • Charls Martel

                 /  September 14, 2011

                What Constitutional right was violated?

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                • rad

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  All of the 4th amendment, some of the 5th amendment, and much of the 6th amendment. Since you asked.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

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                • Eric Blair

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Charls,
                  I think that there is a right to protection from unlawful search and seizure, which is the basis for the requirement for probable cause. It looks to me like this is the chief violation of Mrs. Shebshi’s liberties.

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                • Joe Jericho

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Quite easily the 4th Amendment. Unlawful seizure and unreasonable search. Geez. As for Hamilton, I agree with Allison a strip search and a possible cavity search was not a slight inconvenience to her. This just speaks to the self-centered nature of our society. Maybe your real thought is “F her”. ????

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                • J Rodman

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  We are protected against search and seizure, unless there is resonable suspicion of a crime.

                  In this case, there was not.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Her right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizure, and her right to have her detention based on probable cause (see Constitution, U.S., Fourth Amendment).

                  In addition, her right to face her accuser (see Constitution, U.S., Sixth Amendment, Confrontation Clause).

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                  • Lance

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Keep slapping them down, Allison…

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                  • I support Rationality

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Allison, hardly worth it to argue with some of these people who clearly did not pass their high school government class.

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                  • Due to the Patriot Act and our post 9/11 world, her search and seizure was not “unreasonable”. There was probable cause. It was 9/11, and there was chatter of a chance that terrorists would retaliate. DHS and FBI followed procedure, which was given to them in the PATRIOT ACT.

                    Also, the 6th Amendment only applies in criminal defendants. She was not charged with any crime. She was not accused of being a terrorist. She was detained and questioned due to what people deemed suspicious activity on a day where there was a threat of terrorism.

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                    • SilenceDogood

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      And the probably cause was what, exactly? It was either a) that she is brown or b) she is brown and was sitting in a row with other brown people or c) she is brown and was sitting in a row with other brown people who also used the restroom.

                      Egads! I had no idea that terrorists also use the restroom! Well, I for one will now be reporting everyone I see on a plane using a restroom. Can’t be too careful, you know. After all it is a post 9/11 world and people using the restroom need to be strip searched!

                      Seriously, BB, if you are this afraid of 9/11 attacks, you just shouldn’t leave your house. Seriously. You are more likely to choke and die on a peanut than you are to encounter a terrorist event.

                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Although the Patriot Act has definitely changed the applications of the Constitution (detrimentally), there was no probable cause. Sitting on an airplane while being non-white is not probable cause.

                  • Dan from NYC

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Allison, et. al. – The law is very clear and nobody’s rights were violated.

                    The fourth amendment was not violated in that the report presented “exigent circumstance” that made the search legally valid.

                    The fifth amendment was also not violated in that no one was “held to answer” a term with very specific meaning referring. I quote, “A preliminary hearing is held to determine if there is sufficient evidence that the defendant committed the crime and should therefore be “held over” for trial. Once a defendant is “held to answer,” meaning in custody to answer charges, the prosecuting agency files a document called the Information. The defendant will subsequently be arraigned on the Information at which time he or she will enter a plea and proceed to trial.” http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/held-to-answer/

                    The sixth amendment was never at risk as it has to do exclusively with criminal prosecutions and rights at trial. Since no one was “held over”, and no indictment was issued, it is an inaccurate understanding to state there is a right to face the accuser. Such a “right” doesn’t exist.

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              • Brian

                 /  September 14, 2011

                You talk to much. It’s not a “right” to fly. If you do, you follow the rules which are in place to make it as safe as possible. If you don’t like it, take the bus. And yes, it is sorry to say, that sometimes the color of someone’s skin causes more alarm than someone’s else skin color, but once again, deal with it. If you don’t like it, then move some place else where you feel safer. I would have reported it too. As a matter of fact I would have been on high alert for anything, anything at all which might seem a little odd. Including everytime you reached into your bag while they were in the bathroom.

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                • Brian, she did follow all of the rules – as did the other passengers. Since when is sitting in your seat, reading and sleeping considered not “following rules”. You’re an idiot.

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                • SilenceDogood

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Um, no, try again.

                  Flying is a right.

                  USC 49 § 40103. SOVEREIGNTY AND USE OF AIRSPACE

                  (2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.

                  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_49_00040103—-000-.html

                  If you need to feel safe, then YOU need to move to a country that provides for your safety. Cuba and North Korea come to mind.

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                  • Dan from NYC

                     /  September 15, 2011

                    As with all rights there is a limitation. Flying is a limited right not an unlimited one. Reading the law you posted above clearly states in part, “(b) Use of Airspace.—
                    (1) The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall develop plans and policy for the use of the navigable airspace and assign by regulation or order the use of the airspace necessary to ensure the safety of aircraft and the efficient use of airspace. The Administrator may modify or revoke an assignment when required in the public interest.
                    (2) The Administrator shall prescribe air traffic regulations on the flight of aircraft (including regulations on safe altitudes) for—
                    (A) navigating, protecting, and identifying aircraft;
                    (B) protecting individuals and property on the ground; “

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                    • SilenceDogood

                       /  September 15, 2011

                      And just exactly how is strip and cavity searching someone AFTER the plane has landed SAFELY at its INTENDED FINAL DESTINATION allow for protection of individuals and property on the ground when the flight was safely completed as intended?

                      How, exactly, does that work with your incorrect reading of the law?

                • BayAreaBiker

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  Another bigot comment. It would have saved rest of us if you have posted your real picture with your comment too so that I could avoid sitting next to you if we happen to be on same flight or at the airport.

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                • anonymous

                   /  September 18, 2011

                  And you’re an ignorant, semi-literate authoritarian buffoon who probably tells women IRL that they “talk too much,” too.

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            • Mark

               /  September 14, 2011

              No, Thomas Hamilton… nobody should have to go through a “slight inconvenience” just because we are bombing the hell out of the Middle East. It’s not worth it. It starts with 1 person being inconvenienced, then 2, then 10, then 1,000, then 100,000 then we are putting people of certain ethnic background into camps. Fascism will come to America wrapped in an American flag. You need to foresee the bigger picture when you say things like that, Thomas.

              Not one person should ever have to go through what Ms.Shebshi went through.

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            • James Jesse

               /  September 14, 2011

              A slight inconvenience? Wow…

              The usual.. ‘It is OK as long as it does not happen to me’

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            • David

               /  September 14, 2011

              Are we really at WAR? We’ve been battling a war on drugs for over 40 years and spent over $2.5 trillion dollars on it, yet have drugs been eliminated from our society? Not even remotely.

              We’ve been fighting a war on terror for ten years now. Terrorism existed before that time and it will continue to exist into the future. Our individual freedoms and liberty are being compromised for the sake of fighting this war. At what point do we say “enough”?

              Using the “we are at WAR” excuse is a convenient way to justify virtually any attack on the personal liberties that we in the US hold so dear in the first place. Whether it’s illegal wire tapping, unlawful detention or progressively unreasonable searches, we as a people are letting our freedoms erode in the interest of safety.

              And just for some perspective, bask in these numbers. From 1994 to 2010 here are the number of people killed in the US from two different sources:

              Terrorists: 3,168 (94% on 9/11/01)
              Traffic Accidents: 661,403

              Maybe we need a good old fashioned war on traffic next?

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            • Libby

               /  September 18, 2011

              War has not been declared.

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          • Donna

             /  September 13, 2011

            Russ – Why did so many good people die on 09/11, and an idiot like you survive??

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            • Why is it necessary to resort to this type of name-calling when Russ asked for a middle ground, a fine tuning of a system that makes mistakes? I was annoyed to remove the knitted booties off of my 3 month old child at airport security, and would also like to see this system fine-tuned.

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            • Cheri

               /  September 14, 2011

              Donna ~ name calling only shows your ignorance. It’s not at all becoming. It is certainly your right to disagree with someone else’s viewpoint; however, your behavior of name calling has no benefit at all and simply makes you look and sound ignorant.

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            • Dave

               /  September 14, 2011

              so he could be insulted by an idiot like you

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            • Ken

               /  September 14, 2011

              What an unworthy comment.

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            • Marnie

               /  September 14, 2011

              Come on now, Donna… That is truly dangerous language, and even more un-American than anything he said. We each have the freedom to maintain, and voice our opinions; and frankly, this comment indicates to me that you are not only probably less intelligent than he, but also morally deficient. Congratulations!

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            • Donna…perhaps you’ll want to re-read what “Russ” wrote…just sayin’!

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            • Donna, that was a pretty nasty comment. He didn’t say anything wrong, just his opinion, and all you have is slander.
              As far as what happened, do I think she was violated and humiliated? Absolutely! But the catch 22 is unfortunately, if you see something that looks a bit odd and it is a day where everyone is especially on guard, do you tell yourself to let it go, with the possibility it might a real threat, or do you go for help? I do believe there was a better way to handle this and allay fears without putting this poor woman and those other 2 men in handcuffs, but I don’t have the answer as to how.
              To those that claim there was nothing suspicious about those men going to the bathroom, you weren’t there, and you can only really see this story from her perspective. It might have looked odd to the crew for two men, sitting close together, and of the same ethnicity to get up and go to the bathroom at the same time and then take a bit longer than normal. The fact is we had warnings of the original 9/11 and we ignored them. Well people aren’t ignoring it anymore. There were other indicators of possible attacks on the anniversary, should we ignore those too?
              We are the only country with the kind of freedoms that we have, and we shouldn’t let others change that or cause us to turn on each other, but the other side is that because we have these freedoms, we are also a very easy target. So how do we balance this, so we maintain our American ways, respect our rights, and still be protected? It is a very difficult balancing act. I was in the military during 9/11 and was an Arabic linguist/analyst and it was very difficult then to make good decisions. It is a very convoluted situation. Who attacked us on 9/11?…extremists who happened to be of Arab descent. So who do we look at to attack us again…those of Arab descent. Are there other terrorists of other nationalities? Of course there are, and we should always be alert, but the fact is that there was not a single terrorist attacker on 9/11 who was not an Arab.
              Please understand, I am not saying anyone was wrong, I feel for this poor woman, but I also understand why things happened as they did. Instead of simply saying that people acted inappropriately, find answers on how to better handle this. Pointing the finger is a waste of time and doesn’t get to the heart of the problem. To Mrs Hebshi, I am so sorry that you were put through that. I can’t imagine what you must be feeling and I hope that you can find some peace.

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            • Appalled

               /  September 14, 2011

              How dare you! That comment makes me sick to my stomach. Way to reinforce the idea that we shouldn’t be judging each other.

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            • wri7913

               /  September 14, 2011

              Donna,

              Your comment only shows how vulgar and idiotic you are. Nothing more. As Russ said, and I concur, I am glad there is a system in place to report incidences but obviously it does need to be refined. People also need to be vigilant but not overactive in their fears. People like Shoshana need to be more aware of their activities especially on a day like 9/11 while flying. People’s fears will obviously be heightened due to possible followup terrorists strike. It hasn’t happened yet but the Press was making references to the Government’s heightened state of alert due to a possible strike.

              Are people of Arabic descent going to be profiled on planes? You bet. People of Arabic descent do have a long recent history (in the last 50 years) of airline terrorism. Sorry but that is the honest truth here.

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              • Allison

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Timothy McVeigh was white. Are white people being profiled when they rent moving vans? Most people who bomb abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors are white. Should we profile them?

                Membership in an ethnic group does not equate to being a terrorist.

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              • wri7913 says, “People like Shoshana need to be more aware of their activities especially on a day like 9/11 while flying.”

                Who exactly are “people like Shoshana?” Women? Ohio residents? People who are half Arab? People who are half Jewish? What if you’re 1/4 something? 1/8? What if you’re 100% Indian and the only thing you have in common with Shoshana is that you’re not white?

                And what exactly were her activities? Reading? What can and can’t she read? Sleeping? What if I can never sleep on a plane? Playing with her phone? Are some games ok but others not? Texting while on the ground – can I do that if I’m brown even if the captain says it’s ok to turn on cell phones? How many white people around me need to be using electronic equipment before I can feel it’s safe to use mine?

                Shoshana a regular American person and she wasn’t doing anything!

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              • Tony S

                 /  September 14, 2011

                wri7913,

                I think that you and others are missing/ignoring some important points.

                First, while there needs to be a way to report suspicious activities, the response to such a report should be a reasonable one. What Mrs. Shebshi, and her two fellow travelers were subjected to was not reasonable.

                Second, please remember that our Constitution is the foundation and the framework for all of our laws, If those laws fail to protect all of our people, then we have a problem that needs to be addressed. As Allison pointed out earlier, the 4th Amendment was probably violated. Mrs. Shebshi was forcibly detained and restrained based on someone reporting “suspicious activity”, Does anyone remember the major details of the Salem witch trials? Women were tortured and killed based upon the accusation that they were a witch. Before I get accused of missing the obvious, I would like to point out the basic parallels. It only took an accusation to have someone detained (ie, locked up) before trial. During that waiting period, the accused were thoroughly interrogated (tortured) before their trial to try to extract a confession. Failing that, the accused was sent before a judge who did one of two things. He either ordered the accused be tested, such as being bound and thrown into a large enough body of water, or, if the testimony were convincing enough, the judge would order the accused to be executed. I’m not going to beat this one to death, I’ll leave it to you to find the parallels.

                While I understand and accept the need for investigating reports like this, there are many other ways to respond. Especially that whole ordeal about the strip search! Someone posted that the blog posting said nothing about a body cavity search, and how it was completely different than a strip search. My question, why would you perform a strip search if not to perform a body cavity search?

                Last, airport security didn’t suddenly appear following the events on 9-11. Beginning in the ’70s, there were several hijacking’s of commercial airlines with the intent of monetary/political gain. It was following those incidents that airport security became an issue that mattered to the general public. In addition to this, terrorists began a bloody campaign (mostly in Europe) of random killings to bring attention to whatever cause they were supposedly supporting.

                Eventually, the terrorists moved there attacks globally, including to the US. Did you know that there were several terrorists attacks on US soil by the Croatian nationalists prior to 9-11 or the breakup of Yugoslavia? They generally didn’t do much damage, but still, think you can racially profile them? To accuse people of Arabic descent of being responsible for 50 years of airline terrorism borders on being racist. Making these types of comments without first doing a bit of research doesn’t provide security, it only reinforces distrust and fear.

                We all need to stop the rhetoric and start thinking for ourselves. The Republicans aren’t going to save us, and neither will the Democrats. Demand real solutions from our elected officials, and stop demanding “security at all costs”. Not everyone that has dark skin is a terrorist, or sympathetic to terrorists, or, from another country.

                We need to stop being afraid.

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            • Joe Jericho

               /  September 14, 2011

              Yeah, I don’t support this comment either. The worst thing that can happen to us (and it already has) is that we turn on each other. Meanwhile, the rulers laugh. Sad.

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          • It seems curious to me that many of the people advocating the stricter searches and diminishing liberties in the name of more security are white.

            What about the people actually subjected to the searches?

            I wear a turban. I went to the Mall of America the other day with my mother and sister. I went to see a movie, and two police officers pulled me from the theater. They questioned me. Apparently they received multiple calls from people frightened by me in the mall, and had been following me for a few hours.

            Who’s really shouldering the cost of this “increased security”?

            By the way, over the past decade, the number of deaths worldwide at the hands of Islamic Extremists, outside war zones, comes to some 200 to 300 individuals per year. For comparison, during the same period more people – 320 individuals per year – drowned in bathtubs in the United States alone. Attributed to a friend.

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            • Sarah

               /  September 13, 2011

              “Over the past decade, the number of deaths worldwide at the hands of Islamic Extremists, outside war zones, comes to some 200 to 300 individuals per year.”

              “Attributed to a friend.”

              Really now. How many people died in the 9/11 attacks? Misinformation isn’t just Fox New’s specialty.

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              • Ketil

                 /  September 14, 2011

                According to http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm
                341 persons drowned in bath-tubs in 2000.

                Including 9/11, roughly 3000 people have been killed the last decade in islamist attacks in the US, according to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

                So, bathtubs have in the last decade slightly more dangerous to the American public than islamist terrorism. In addition to the erosion of civil liberties and public relations, the war on terror has cost trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives, mostly civilians. What resources are being used in to preserve bathing security?

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                • Sarah cannot bring herself down to respond to you as you have now provided some corroboration. Of course, she would never have bothered to check, if there is a grain of fact in the post she responded to either. She will conveniently ignore the thread from hereon.

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              • Do you know what the phrase “statistical anomaly” means?

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              • That average includes 9/11/01 numbers.

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              • Oh, Sarah… you’ve totally missed Sukhvir150′s point, haven’t you?

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                • SilenceDogood

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Well, people afraid of their own shadows do tend to miss the obvious.

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            • Cheri

               /  September 14, 2011

              Why is it that the “race” card always has to be pulled with every situation? That get’s real old and in most situations has NOTHING to do with the issue.

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            • Tony

               /  September 14, 2011

              I agree with you 100% It`s always the non-colored people to huff and puff about everything that`s not happening to them and think they know what everyone feels when they do not.

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          • Citizen

             /  September 13, 2011

            He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither

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          • SANKAR

             /  September 13, 2011

            Are you white? If a white guy points a finger to the dark skinned person especially at the airport or inside an aircraft it will ring the bell all over. If you belong to that race then you would know it. It is not for protection. It is sheer racism intended to divide the people through intimidation. The major reason is to inject fear in the mind of citizens so that all will stay silent although being wiped out due to depression created by the bank racketeers. The biggest terrorism of the century. At this day, terrorism is just a joke but the crooks are still attempting to revive it by spreading fears. Obviously, it is a huge profit making business.

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            • Cheri

               /  September 14, 2011

              Oh please…. get over it.

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              • Mike

                 /  September 15, 2011

                Can you get over your white privilege. People like you are never ever inconvenienced. So how would you know. Now go back to watching soap operas

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            • eye on the ball

               /  September 16, 2011

              SPOT ON! Three cheers for being the first commenter to point this out. Counterterrorism is a MASSIVELY profitable business and it is absolutely in the best interests of many to perpetuate our fears. And it DOES distract us from real abuses carried out by other industries, including profiteering in the financial industry, to keep Americans focused on “Homeland Security” instead of investigating banking crimes.

              Do people not remember what “Give me liberty or give me death” means? It means our “founding fathers” would rather have been DEAD that be subjected to the kind of treatment this poor woman describes in her blog post. So to every “patriotic” person who says this treatment is “worth it” in exchange for the “safety” it brings to America – they need to realize they are in total conflict with the brave people, real patriots, who fought a revolution to bring us this country, and everyone else since them who has fought for civil liberties.

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          • Dave

             /  September 14, 2011

            Although I agree that it sucks to have to go through this type of thing, I lean toward the fact that it is way better to be safe than sorry. If one has not awakened to the fact that our world is a dangerous place after what happened on 9/11 then one must be asleep at the switch. We, as Americans, have a group of animals out there that care not for their own lives but instead care about how many of us they can kill. All it takes is one of them to get through security and people will die, that is why it is important for all of us to be vigilent and aware of what goes on around us. This is what the person or persons were doing when they reported suspicious activity onboard that aircraft. The sad fact is that the majority of Americans cannot tell the difference between someone from India as opposed to someone from Saudi Arabia. Right after 9/11 there was a murder of a sikh man because the guy who shot him thought he was an arab. Americans should be educating themselves about the different peoples living in the middle east/southwest asia so that they can make more informed decisions in their vigilence. That vigilence is a necessary evil that we must live with because we are at war with an ideology.

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          • Paul

             /  September 14, 2011

            Refining the methods that keep us safe should include being informed why you’re being detained. No one should answer any questions if they don’t know why they are being asked.

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          • Renee

             /  September 14, 2011

            Russ I totally agree with you. Although I feel that the behavior for suspicion wasn’t there, I do find comfort that in the event a real threat was presented it would be investigated. I agree that she was treated unfairly. However, 10 years ago some suspicions were ignored. And unfortunately we all have to live with the consequences.

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          • I have to agree with Russ.

            Questioning you would not eliminate the threat if there was one. It was our inaction of on 9/11 that caused the outcome, and now because the FBI is being cautious we are going to fault them as well. Where do you purpose the middle ground lays here, Without all the accusations and conjuncture of profiling, what would be a better solution? Simply questioning you, if you were a terrorist, I am sure you would be completely honest and forthright in your confession as soon as someone pulled you out of line.

            I have to question anyone’s decision to fly on 9/11, especially since several planes are being escorted by fighter jets, that could misread a sign of trouble mechanically with a terrorism attack and end up badly.

            Is it racist or bigoted, the case and point could be made either way. If the police suspect me of a felony in another state but have not confirmed that fact, they have a time frame as to which they can hold me in a cell and be lawful.

            So let’s do what you suggest, Let’s grab some white guys and yank them off the plane, Why? We don’t have a good reason, we just don’t want everyone to feel like we are singling them out unfairly so we will waste resources and money on a group or people that pose no credible threat right now.

            Perhaps it was racist, but like everything in life it is not all or nothing, the blame lies with you just as much as it does with the FBI. Your decision to fly on 9/11 being of a certain race, doesn’t show sound judgment. If not for any other reason but then being target practice for a pilot.

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            • Johnathane Dorane

               /  September 15, 2011

              Thanks for your post Tina. Now I completely understand that it is entirely the victims fault. She should have known that because of her genetic heritage she would not be able to fly on 9/11/2011 without being detained for several hours and strip searched.

              Are you one of the people who believe that rape would not be a problem if girls stayed out of bad neighborhoods?

              Your solution is to grab white people of the plane and subject them to the same treatment, even though you state “We don’t have a good reason”. Please clarify what the “good reason” was for treating these three people this way. For reference, I will not accept “Your decision to fly on 9/11 being of a certain race” as a “good reason”.

              I hope that this case goes to court, because I want to see the justification for detaining, strip searching, and questioning three innocent airline passengers. If this is not determined to be a gross violation of the fourth amendment, then nothing will.

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          • It’s not a result of terrorism alone. The fear that caused someone to report “suspicious activity” was bred over the next eight years after 9/11, heightened not by terrorist actions but by people in our own homeland. The paranoia of people was selectively targeted, used, and aggravated by political maneuvers, which has left a lot of people with ugly fears about dark-skinned people, particularly of Middle Eastern descent. These people are too simple to have any measure of self-awareness necessary to combat these bigoted ideas–they’re like rats in an electrified cage, and they do what they’re told, whether they’re being told that African-Americans have to go to school with them or whether they’re being told that possible Muslims should be watched carefully in case they’re terrorists. So no, the terrorists didn’t cause all of this alone; a bunch of opportunists did the greatest amount of damage inside our own borders.

            Shoshana–if I can presume to call you by your first name, not knowing you :) –I’m terribly sorry that this happened to you, and I’m terribly glad that you decided to write about it. Information and expression are freedoms we need to cherish.

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          • Dave Mowers

             /  September 15, 2011

            Perhaps the United States should stop training terrorists and supporting dictatorships in foreign countries then we wouldn’t have people who want to attack us! What was the excuse for shooting the Iraqi family with eight children to death including a newborn and two toddlers, recently brought under investigation? You think their extended family loves America now? Do the relatives of the Latin American people murdered by U.S. supported dictators love our country? Do parents of children dying from cancer caused by depleted uranium in Iraq love us? When your government murders in your name you get terrorist atrocities in return, maybe we should be asking ourselves why it is happening instead of arguing about the reactions to it.

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          • ‘Inconvenienced’ and ‘humiliated’?? She was given a body cavity search! Why don’t you volunteer for one after being dragged of a plane and handcuffed and come back and tell us us “at least there are efforts…to keep us safe”. Puhlease.

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          • George Metesky

             /  September 16, 2011

            This is completely disgusting. Please accept my apologies on behalf of my lunatic government (and the crazy people in Detroit who did this to you). On Sept. 9th, I was visiting New York City and Penn Station looked like it had been invaded by an attacking army…only it was our own police, in every nook of the station with loaded AK-47s ready to fire on anyone suspicious. I watched one brutish cop flip out on an obviously drunk Hispanic man just because he was speaking loudly and obnoxiously (imagine that, in New York City!). Personally, I would rather live in a country where we suffer a terrorist attack every once in a while than in a perfectly safe country where power is abused the way it is currently being done. And this is with a liberal, minority-member President. Just imagine what would happen if we had elected someone scarier and more militaristic?

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            • While I agree that this is completely disgusting the rest is shortsighted and incorrect. You DO live in a country that suffers terrorist attacks every day. You just don’t see them because they are masked as attacks on our information infrastructure. And they don’t directly cause the loss of life – they threaten to expose the security infrastructure that your tax dollars pay to maintain.

              Fly into most any international airport in Europe, or go to a major train station and it’s very commonplace to see the military all over the place. You and anyone else who enjoys the ability to walk freely with little expectation of death and destruction should be thanking those military personnel for deciding to take on this charge on their own. Last I heard there was no draft forcing them to!

              And I highly doubt that you really mean you would tolerate a terrorist attack with loss of life occasionally. It would likely take only one bomb going off in your neighborhood, frightening the bejeebeez out of you, or the death of a loved one or friend someplace else to change your opinion.

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              • SilenceDogood

                 /  September 16, 2011

                The difference, though, is that those military personnel in Europe aren’t itching for a fight the way the undertrained local police are goaded into it by DHS.

                The hysteria in this country is seriously over the top.

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                • You don’t think they are? Seriously? And you know this because… they handed you a flower and chanted the last time you were in Europe? Military presence in major European transportation centers are part of their culture. I saw it as far back as my first trip to England in 1980!

                  Further, I’d disagree with you about itching for a fight. The very highly trained military people I know aren’t interested in shooting people on their own soil. But they will if provoked. That’s what they are trained and sworn to do: Defend us from enemy’s foreign and domestic.

                  The cause of this incident wasn’t started by the military. It seems it was a civilian who provided the faulty Intelligence that scrambled jets and caused strip searches. The military simply responded just like they were trained.

                  Again, I’m sorry and saddened that this happened to her and her seat partners. But if you want to point a finger and find fault, point at the radicals that aren’t interested in building anything – but only tearing things apart at any cost. And then at the highly under-trained “official reporters” who stir themselves into hysteria. If we were living in a hysterical society, we’d have curfews and be walking around with flak jackets.

                  And lastly, if this was a trained Air Marshall or some other military individual on board that evaluated this situation and made the decision to move forward with this threat, then they need serious retraining – and maybe a new job.

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                  • SilenceDogood

                     /  September 16, 2011

                    We’re saying the same things. My point is that having military and militarized police infesting our cities is dangerous. There is no need for it. Period.

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                    • We’re not saying the same thing. You assume that a police force is ill equipped/trained to protect the law abiding citizens it’s charged to protect. I’d counter and tell you that a very high percentage of these individuals are former military, and are incredibly well trained. And for the most part well lead. In fact, I’m related to two highly trained soldiers-turned-police officers who put their life on the line every day. Are there bad apples out there? You bet. But there are bad apples everywhere. Bernie Madoff comes to mind…

                      It’s not perfect, but I’ll take this imperfect government over all the rest.

                    • SilenceDogood

                       /  September 16, 2011

                      Bollocks.

                      A well-trained force with bad apples strip and cavity searches innocent people. They also accidentally shoot people once in a while.

                      There is a reason Rome forbade a standing military, and wouldn’t let it parade in the city. When a militarized police force is allowed to occupy a city, it doesn’t matter how many wonderful people are in the force, it is a force occupying a city. That’s why when Caeser brought a triumphant military through the city the Senate was appalled. They knew what it meant. It meant the end of a free Republic.

                      That is a recipe for disaster.

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                      SilenceDogood
                      September 16, 2011 at 3:48 pm
                      Bollocks.

                      A well-trained force with bad apples strip and cavity searches innocent people. They also accidentally shoot people once in a while.

                      There is a reason Rome forbade a standing military, and wouldn’t let it parade in the city. When a militarized police force is allowed to occupy a city, it doesn’t matter how many wonderful people are in the force, it is a force occupying a city. That’s why when Caeser brought a triumphant military through the city the Senate was appalled. They knew what it meant. It meant the end of a free Republic.

                      That is a recipe for disaster.
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                      The British-English influence surfaces! Now I get it!

                      Yes, I concede that accidentally strip searching someone is less deadly that accidentally shooting people once in a while. But neither is acceptable.

                      So let’s learn a bit from history, shall we? Caeser marched on the city, the Senate was appaled. It was a civil war. Ceaser wanted control, and the senate fled. Is our military at war with our Senate? I don’t think so. And didn’t we fight that battle some years ago? Something about Union and Confederate? Hmmm?

          • Brian

             /  September 16, 2011

            Shame you didn’t go down in the tower, Russ – the home of the brave, you subhuman piece of shit.

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        • Agreed. Just yesterday, someone on my Facebook list left a vitriolic comment regarding Muslims. He just cannot grasp the difference between Islam and what the radical fundamentalists believed in. It saddens and frightens me that ten years later, we’re still stuck in this rut.

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        • Mel

           /  September 13, 2011

          I do feel pity for you if your actually innoccent, but I am glad extreme measures were used. No offense, but if most of us had it our way, every single middle eastern person would be deported from Canada and the US. Sorry, but amongst the innocent are the terrorists and we just cant tell you apart and thats what they count on.

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          • ruth

             /  September 18, 2011

            Yuck. I reject your sentiment. Don’t speak for “most of us.” You are in your own body and mind, not others. Speak for yourself. This comes from someone whose parent died doing research to decontaminate and demilitarize chemical and biological agents stockpiled for wars.

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        • Abbe Lakenville

           /  September 13, 2011

          I agree – and I blame the right wing “patriots” for letting, or perhaps one could say “helping”, the terrorists win.

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        • Theonlypatriothere

           /  September 13, 2011

          Let’s get real people. The good of the many outweigh the good of the few. It took what, 6 hours? It wasn’t pleasant I’m sure, but get over it people. Had there been a bomb, and had it gone off, you would all be screaming about how poorly our security teams did their jobs! Make no mistake people, THIS is the price of your safety. They took a small amount of your time, they did not harm you, and they did what the situation required. I can understand that a strip search is not exactly pleasant, but I promise, it won’t kill you. Everyone wants to reap the benifits of being a citizen but no one wants to pay the smallest of prices for it. You picked your representatives people, time to deal with it.

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        • stacie

           /  September 13, 2011

          ITS THE DAY AND AGE WE LIVE IN AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE HAND WE WERE DEALT AND STOP BLAMING THE GOVERNMENT FOR TRYING TO PROTECT US! DEAL WITH !!!!!!! WITH A SMILE!!

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            No, we do not need to accept the random violation of a person’s Constitutional rights based on unsubstantiated reports of unspecified suspicious activity from untrained civilians who are not questions about the veracity of their suspicions.

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            • Gump

               /  September 13, 2011

              Apparently you do. Fact is, Islamic extremists don’t fight war with any appropriate rules of engagement. They fight dirty and cowardly. They sneak around dressed as civilians to kill as many civilians as they can. They are the hardest form of war to fight, and the direct result of that is the difficulty of having to watch the public for signs of suspicious behavior. There are going to be mistakes. I’d much rather be detained knowing that the gov’t is making hard choices to try and keep the plane safe, then for them to avoid racial profiling at all costs because it’s “rude or politically incorrect”, and simply hope that people who come from countries with high terrorist activity won’t do it again.

              You don’t have proof that they actually stopped you because of your race, it’s just the way you feel because you’re sensitive to it. If I was living in China, and a bunch of white catholic extremists killed 3000 random Chinese people in a day for no other reason than hate, I would be very cognoscente of the fact that I look like them, and would personally go out of my way to make sure they understood I was not the same. I certainly wouldn’t act all high and mighty and exclaim, “How dare they!” I’d actually feel apologetic and feel embarrassed that people from where I come from have such audacity and ugliness. Just as I do for my ancestors in the time of American slavery. I think you need to stop blaming the U.S. for racial profiling and blame the Islamic extremists for creating this result. There is no other way to fight back and defend against this kind of war.

              I’ve been stopped and searched on a random airport check, and was thankful when they were done, appreciating that they make sure I get on a safe flight. I’m happy to be searched, I’m happy to take off my shoes, and I thank them each and every time. Get on board.

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              • Allison

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Being stopped and searched on an airport check is not the same thing as being taken off of a plane in handcuffs in front of the rest of the passengers, placed in a dirty cell for several hours with no information, strip searched, cavity searched, and interrogated. If you would be fine with that, so what? Others wouldn’t, and that is not only their right, it’s the law under the Constitution of the U.S. That document that is the owner’s manual of the country.

                Dark-skinned American citizens do not owe anything to white Americans just because they exist. Dark-skinned Americans have the same rights as white Americans, and do not have to kowtow to white American fears.

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                • Cheri

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Allison, did this happen to YOU? You really need to get over it. Our world is what WE have made it through our self-absorbed attitudes and ungodly living. We get what we deserve… Actually, thank God, we don’t get what we deserve…for it is a lot worse than anything described within these posts.

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                • Jan H

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Allison, I totally agree with everything you’ve posted.

                  I keep wondering if they ever asked for her Driver’s License – you know, before they threw her in a cell.

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                • David

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  If i remember correctly there where americans killed on 9/11. Why do you have to have dark skin to feal what everyone is talking? I am a white male who listens to country music and could be called a “REDNECK”.. Does this mean i hate all non-whites? No it doesnt, but the stero-type is that i do. Please dont tell me that because you have a skin color that is not white you should be treated any different than anyone else. This is a case where protocol was used. Sadly what happen on 9/11 didnt not have the proper protocol followed or the planes would have never been hijacked. For all that havent noticed the man who has picked the people to run Home Land Security isnt white.

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                • Kwame

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Allison, I just want to say that you are a hero in this comments section. Every uninformed remark that I have been sufficiently moved to reply to, you have already done so eloquently. Thank you and I laud your passion.

                  For the record, I’m not an American citizen, not resident in the US, but love the principles your country has been founded on. Pity to see what it has become.

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              • Anne

                 /  September 13, 2011

                By “stopped and searched” do you mean that you were handcuffed, detained, and made to wait to in a dirty cell for hours at time while no one would tell you what was going on or why you’d been pulled from your flight? No. You mean that you were pulled aside while going through security and they opened up your suitcase and looked through it, looked at your shoes, and then sent you on your merry way. You have no idea what this woman and those two men went through, and it’s stupid to compare the two and act like you know what she’s talking about.

                The ignorance of whoever reported them is astounding, but not surprising. What puts the icing on the cake for me, and I think for most of the other people here commenting is the fact that they were treated like common criminals based off of a tip from an untrained civilian who had nothing to support their claim other than, “They all look the same and two of them went to the bathroom close to the same time.” They could have at least told her what was going on, and why she’d been pulled from the plane instead of ignoring her, or refusing to tell her and treating her like a criminal. Telling her what’s going on doesn’t jeopardize anything, if she were a terrorist she’d already know what was going on anyway. They also didn’t have to pull them from the plane the way they did. There are better, less humiliating ways to do that. And if you want to defend it, then go pull me some stats about how many actual terrorists they pull off of planes every year. Show me how many times doing that to people has stopped an actual danger, instead of humiliating innocent people who happen to “look like a terrorist” to the ignorant and racist eye.

                Her experience was demoralizing, humiliating, and belittling, and until this has happened to you you should probably shut your maw.

                PS: I think it’s hysterical that you say that she has no proof that she was pulled because of her race. Please, oh wise one, tell me why else someone would assume that three people sitting next to each other doing nothing but sitting would look suspicious to someone. Oh yeah, and also happen to be the same race. That’s just a coincidence right? This happens to Caucasians as well all the time I bet.

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              • Gump, what skin colour are you, and did you also get strip & cavity searched

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              • Ed Simpson

                 /  September 14, 2011

                “”Gump” you are a real ass***e if you think this is occuring here in America, it is taking place in places where we Americans go with our terror in “eliminating terrorism.”

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              • Concerned US Citizen

                 /  September 14, 2011

                First off let me say I am appalled this happened. What a nightmare.

                The fact of the matter is, it is all bigotry and racial profiling. The extremists crashed into the towers because they hate Americans. My Japanese friends still get nasty remarks said to them in public. I know many people who hate all Germans due to Hitler. I am of Swedish descent and I dyed my hair black and due to this I got detained when I was picking someone up from the airport. I didn’t even get out of my car. Oh, and I was driving a black German car. Or maybe I got profiled because I was driving an expensive car and the poor slob who detained me will never see the inside of a car like mine unless he stops them out of some fabricated notion he has regarding why he stops people.

                It is all bigotry, pure and simple.

                Oh, and to Donna and her comment about Russ, “Russ – Why did so many good people die on 09/11, and an idiot like you survive??” Probably every person who died on that day would have Russ’ opinion now if they had survived. The fact is no one deserves to die because we don’t agree with their opinion. Chances are due to the enormous loss on 9/11, the dead did include some disagreeable people. They still didn’t deserve to die. You, Donna, making that comment because his opinion is different than yours is no different than any other person who exhibits hatred due to someone having a different opinion than yours or a different lifestyle, looks different, is of another religious belief, etc. 9/11 happened because those people placed all Americans in a stereotypical fishbowl and because they don’t agree with certain Americans. Racial profiling is exactly the same. Maybe these three people didn’t die, but they were tortured due to their ethnicity.

                All people need to learn more tolerance. Law enforcement need to remember “innocent until proven guilty” and “probable cause.” I hope whoever reported that suspicious activity realizes that 2 fighter jets shadowed their airliner all of the way to the airport. Maybe those reporting suspicious activity also need to be detained and checked out. Aren’t most witnesses to crimes checked to see what their motive is or checked for their credibility?

                Still shaking my head over this. Just so unbelievable.

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              • Duane

                 /  September 14, 2011

                We should not be so reactionary. So many posters on here currently support the “enhanced security protocols”, solely because of what happened on 9/11. I wonder what will happen the first time those protocols backfire, and result in a tragedy? Will everyone support them so much then, or will people want to go to the opposite extreme? What happened to common sense?

                In this case, the Airbus was being shadowed by two F-16′s. They weren’t there for a parade. If certain of the “protocls” had been breached, that Airbus would have been shot out of the sky. So, what if the planes would hav picked that exact time to experience a major electrical failure? What if the pilots would have needed to do a fly-by for a second approach? What if one of them, being nervous, would have accidentally shuyt down the IFF, made a poor choice in on-air jokes, or done one of the dozens of other major mistakes that happen daily in our skies? Sooner or later, our fear will result in exactly what it is trying to desperately to avoid – another tragedy. And, in the process, we will give up our Constitutional rights as well. That’s a poor trade, to me.

                There is a difference between inconvenience and violation of rights. The first we can live with, but not the second. We must keep our fear in balance, and regain some common sense.

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              • New yorker

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I couldn’t agree more she should be happy got was able to go home and see her family, those that perished on 9-11 didn’t make it home… Go back where your from and blame your own people…. Did it bother you that you were taken off plane well deal with it…it was better to be taken off a plane than to have been blown up and never see your family agian. Your people came and killed our family did you think that everything was going to be okay NO it’s not. What happened to you is nothing compared to what happened to those innocent people.

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                • “Your people came and killed our family” ? Are you kidding me? Did this lady personally do something to you? You’re nothing but a narrow-minded racist, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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                • What are you talking about “your people”? She is an American. She OUR people.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  She is back “where she came from.” She’s American. Her own people did not participate in 9/11. Blaming her for 9/11 just because she happens to share ethnicity with the people who flew the planes is racism, pure and simple. And in this case, SHE is the innocent one.

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                  • avery

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    not so sure about that. Don’t know you….and based on your own bigoted and racist remarks (“fat”, “fat belly”, “rednecks”), I don’t care to.

                    You are very offensive.

                    And it’s likely most people here don’t ‘know you’ and what your real motivations are — a bored housewife trying to get blog hits (like a crack addict off a crack pipe?)….a homegrown terrorist (we’ve had our share of those, too – doesn’t matter if you are “American” or from mars)…what?

                    don’t know….don’t want to know. you were doing something on the plane you should not have been doing and don’t like the consequences so you are crying foul. It’s not a new phenomenon – - many people getting caught not obeying the rules do the same thing – - trying not to take responsibility for their OWN actions.

                    If you really want to teach your children something — teach them to be responsible for themselves and not blame their situation on a made-up fantasy such as “racism” — as your writings clearly show you are the racist.

                    And let it be known, plenty of people of ALL ethnic backgrounds have been shaken down by airport security. We just don’t whine about it.

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                    • SilenceDogood

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Um, do you realize that Allison is not the author of this blog post, no?

                      I hope you really aren’t that stupid.

                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      For someone who professes not to want to know, and not to care, you took the time to post. That’s an odd way of showing your not caring.

                      Please link to examples of fliers being handcuffed, detained, strip searched, and interrogated that are of all ethnic backgrounds.

                • Another New Yorker

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  This is the dumbest comment I’ve read today. Good job, New yorker — you worthless piece of xenophobic shit.

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                • Dina

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  New Yorker- You are a disgrace to the American people. People like you are the reason so many countries hate us.
                  Before you tell people to go back to where they are from- take some pride in where you are from and LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY SPEAK ENGLISH.
                  If you didn’t notice there have been approximately two insulting comments written, but none have offended me- an American- as much as yours has. There is a better way to make your point without demanding that someone – who is also an American, by the way- leave the country. “Her people” did not kill your family, as “her people” are not terrorists, the hijackers were.

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                • Gideon V.

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  @new yorker “Your people”?! “Go back to where you’re from” Really?! What part of “her people” are you referring to? The Arabic or the Jewish part? Never mind, from your comments I gather that you don’t even realize there is a difference.
                  Man, if people would only read and educate themselves a little bit before making comments like yours, the world would be a better place for sure!

                  The most violent element in society is ignorance. ~Emma Goldman

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                • BayAreaBiker

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Wow! I am just shocked at the level of your ignorance. Her family came and blew up your family? Which family are you talking about? The White family? or does it include all of Americans? I am sure you didn’t mean latter as then that would make Ms. Shebshi your family too.

                  Thanks for enlightening us with your bigoted remarks. But do you know that there were two other folks got “detained” who were actually from Indian descent and along with her, their rights were violated too. Last time I checked, none of the Indians were involved in ANY terrorist attacks against US. Do you have the same thing to say to them also?

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                • “New Yorker” – she is home, and I wish there were more people like her in this country than those filled with hate and bigotry like yourself. Her experience 10 years ago on that day was the same as everyone else in America – sadness and disbelief. People of all races can and have done terrible things to others – to think that we can blindly make judgments about entire groups of people based on the actions of some is insane.

                  I find it incredible how so many people seem to think that they can compare experiences of being pulled aside and searched in line to what Ms. Hebshi had to experience.

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                • Jen D

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Just a reminder, New Yorker, that Shosi is an American citizen – born and raised here. When you begin invoking “Your people” you cross the line. Her father was Saudi by birth, but lived here in the U.S. for the majority of his life. Her mother is an American. When you tell her to “go back where your (sic) from and blame your own people,” should she head back to Southern California? Seriously?

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              • Fah

                 /  September 14, 2011

                How would you like authorities to racially profile a redneck like you for KKK suspicion ? Strip search you, put you in a cell, not allowing you any lawyer access.

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            • m.e.

               /  September 13, 2011

              You’re an idiot! How do we know they’re unsubstantiated until they’re checked out? DUH!!!

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          • “Listen, when I slap you you’ll take it and like it!” Humphrey Bogart – The Maltese Falcom (1941)

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          • What To Do?

             /  September 13, 2011

            Agreed Stacie!

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          • Tony

             /  September 14, 2011

            Keep believing that Stacie, the Gov`t don`t give a damn about the people. oh you are going to see in the next couple of years what they have planned for all of us, They have already started a National I.D. card with chips in it, putting cameras all over the country, putting chips in our bodies with all of our information on it, Making it very hard for people to attain passports, Locking the borders on both sides not to keep Mexicans and Canadians out but to keep everyone in keeping everyone who doesn`t think for themselves in fear. And for those of us who can see outside of the box and see what is really going on are called nut jobs, crazy and conspiracy theorist because we see and know what is really going on and choose not to go along with the rest of the Sheeple within the collective society of Idiots that easily fall prey to Manipulation.

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          • Joe Jericho

             /  September 14, 2011

            Stacie, did you say the same thing during the Bush administration? If you did not, you are a partisan hack. It’s ok for Obama to do it, but not Bush. There are people on the other side of the equation who would say that it was ok for Bush to do this but not Obama. It all makes me sick. IT ISN’T OK FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM TO DO THIS! Wake up.!

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          • Jeannie

             /  September 14, 2011

            Stacie,
            I could not disagree with you more. Citizens with this attitude helped, yes I do mean helped, the followers of Adolf Hitler commit some of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind. This is the same attitude that allowed the internment of American citizens of Japenese descent during WWII. It is NEVER ok to allow ANY abridgement to our constitutional rights, for ANY prupose. In this case there was an unreasonable search and this poor woman was incarcerated (liberty). I am sure that if I called your local police station and (without giving my name) told them that you had bomb making equipment hidden away and were planning an attack and they then removed you from your workplace in handcuffs, strip searched you, locked you in a cell for 4+ hours without allowing you any contact with the outside world, repeatedly questioned you and then let you go saying “No hard feelings” you would be filing a lawsuit within minutes of your release. This entire episode is merely an illustration of how much we have all allowed our Constitutional rights to be infringed upon in the name of “security”. We should all be outraged that we have allowed this to happen.

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        • Mae Vernon

           /  September 13, 2011

          I agree totally, Allison. If the non-radical Muslims would assist in investigating/capturing their “radical” brothers, I would not have the same feelings towards them.

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            This seems…random, especially in light of the cooperation that U.S. armed forces have received in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

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            • Justin

               /  September 14, 2011

              As a U.S. Army Veteran who has personally deployed to these war zones you are misinformed if you believe there has been cooperation by these governments, or their people. The overwhelming majority of people in this region are raised and educated to hate Americans and Jews. This is a Fact! I understand your points of view and respect your tenacity in defending them. I do agree that these individuals were racially profiled and their rights were violated. Being half Hispanic I emphasize with them, and realize if I were one of the three in that row I might have been in a cell along with them. This being said I understand the actions that were taken. Although it is unfortunate, it is also naive to think that others with a law enforcement or military background what not have had the same suspicions in that circumstance. I can tell you from experience that they would have. It’s not politically correct and it’s a sobering and incovienent truth but profiling is a necessary and successful tool. This has been the case long before 9/11 and will continue to be the case after. When profiling becomes wrong is when the intent is skewed. They weren’t harassed simply because they were of ethnic decent. They fit a particular description on a particular day and happened to randomly commit an act that when compounded with all the factors did create reasonable suspicion. It’s no different than if a blond haired blue male robbed a bank the first 3 Fridays in a month, all similar males would be more scrutinized the 4th Friday. It’s unfortunate but reasonable. If these people would have been working together and had an explosive device, these posts would probably look a lot different as we thankfully honored this civilian for being observant and vigilant. We can have empathy for a person or group of people for an unfair situation but that doesn’t ultimately make the situation wrong. Let’s not blame the people trying to protect us. There is really only one group that deserves blame, The Terrorists….

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          • Yeah because all of us non-radical Muslims know who all the radical ones are and where they live and congregate, right?

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          • alytron

             /  September 14, 2011

            That is just insane. Truly nuts.

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        • Ron

           /  September 13, 2011

          Allison -
          Don’t know you, but read several of your comments here. I’m with you.

          My stance is as following:

          The US has several wars going on at the moment, we hear all the time about our men and women overseas protecting our freedoms. I say bullshit, I don’t think our freedom was ever threatened by these nations we’re at war with. Not to say that I don’t appreciate our military, I wish them the best, and they’re just doing what they’re told. But protecting our freedom at the moment, I don’t see it.

          That all said, protecting the freedoms of US citizens also falls upon the shoulders of ordinary US citizens, so when you see some situation no matter how offensive, like when the KKK wants to peacefully assemble, you need to support it. I hate those bastards, but I support their 1st amendment rights.

          I hope the blogger mounts a legal action and lets us know about it, I’ll certainly help support her. She definitely should’ve lawyered up but there is absolutely no reason, based on what I’ve read that they had probable cause to strip search her.

          And frankly, anyone that will trade their freedoms for security theater, deserves no freedom, freedom is a continuous fight, but it is mostly fought at home.

          -Ron

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        • Zoe

           /  September 14, 2011

          Do you really think that fear Americans have, is because of the terrorist destruction of the day 9/11? No The fear Americans have is rooted in the governments manipulation of the media. remember the daily color codes codes we had to deal with every day? These so called “Terror Alerts”, caused Americans to live in fear up to the illegal unjustified, oil driven invasion of Iraq. The sudden growth and expansion of an actual International American Empire, came to fruition from this galvanizing of the fear of the citizens of our USA. This is a sad fact and very true. The largest untapped oil fields in the world lie in Iraq and Iran. Does anyone really think the USA can survive without taking these lands, in the event of some shortage? NO. The answer is NO. So Bush and now Obama are protecting our oil interests abroad. Also noteworthy is the fact that Afghanistan has some the of the largest geological sources of rare earth materials, that are absolutely necessary for the manufacture of technology. Think we can do without those in a shortage? No absolutely NOT. This isn’t about justice or what is right. This is about hedging bets during a time of depleting resources and rising demand from the worlds increasing populations AND the need to protect a lifestyle that is dependent on these substances to survive. If oil and rare earth minerals and metals where to stop, we would be suddenly relegated to a lifestyle like that of colonial America, without the established skill sets. With an increased population, and a short supply of all energy producing material (including wood), complicated by the inability to transport, a very quick spiral into hunger and death would occur. This is the concern behind the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, This invasion is also to surround Iran and keep it in check, ready to pounce if need be: eg; nukes, need oil. The profiling and nabbing of people here in the states is to keep the populace divided, afraid and submissive. I do not believe this is right. But I do know that this is what is happening. I believe their are other ways to get along, peaceful ways that build trust. This is all very sad, yet with our youth there is hope and we must teach them that peace is the only answer. We must teach billions of people to help each other. How? I do not know. Watch the documentary W. on hulu. It shows what happened, all of the planning and hubris, all of the capitulation. None of these people were heroes. As a matter of fact they were killing hundreds of thousands and walking around like a bunch of morons planning it all. The movie W. is a perfect example of why war should only be used for actual self defense against invasion, or an attack by an actual nation using real weapons. You can’t have a war against an idea, because the fighting will last until the idea is gone, which in this case since war breeds terrorism, will be never. This isn’t a joke, it is real. The United States Of America, my only home, will have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq and possibly other places, forever? Until a new source of energy is established? what? What is this? I am also afraid to say anything here for fear of big brother. But I will be an American and say my piece, Freedom of Speech protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States Of America, is my right and I will defend it by using my right.

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        • The Mommy Lane

           /  September 14, 2011

          Allison, that was extremely well said.

          Reading this post broke my heart. Words can not express how sorry I am that this happened. My heart goes out to you and I hope that you will be able to move on from this without too many scars. The effects of racism are powerful and they can change who you are as a person.

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        • Ranti

           /  September 14, 2011

          I am 30 yrs old, I am a family physician and I am also African.Let us call a spade a spade and not just an agricultural implement. This is racial profiling, period.

          As a frequent visitor to the US, I have over time and out of necessity, become somewhat immune to the frustrating and sometimes inane questioning & searching that I’ve had to endure at point of entry into this great country,simply because of my skin colour and the colour of my passport.

          However ,on my most recent visit here, the treatment was so appalling, I was almost left in tears. I had flown in from Heathrow in London,and as I was passing through immigration to get onto a connecting flight to DC from Miami, I was stopped and questioned 3 times for no apparent reason at all,but as the only non-white person on that plane, it wasn’t rocket-science to figure out why.

          After the third dude had finished questioning me, I was aksed to follow him and as we were walking down the corridor towards a room, I politely asked him what was going on and if whatever was going to happen wouldn’t take too long as my connecting flight would be boarding in about 40 mins.Without so much as a glance at me, he barked & said “Sir, I don’t care. You could be there for 20mins or you could be there for 4 hours, it is what it is”.

          So I was led into this room and as I walked in, I observed that there were about 60 other people in that room – and what was so immediately obvious was that apart from myself there were 4 other black people in there with the rest being hispanic, so clearly, nothing “random” about this “stop & search” then. I was kept in there for about 2 and a half hoursand eventually when I was called to the desk, the questions asked were the SAME ones the previous 3 guys had asked me – ”Why are you here?’. ”What do you do?”, “How long are you here for?”, “You were in this country 3 times last year, how come you can afford to come here so often?” ( Well, because I can afford it,duh!!), that plus the fact that I’ve got family here- I was at my brother’s graduation from Harvard, I was best man at my friend’s wedding in Texas and I also came later on in the year for a medical conference in New York. There you go all explained, the barking at me was totally unnecessary as was the suspicious tone & manner in which the questions were yelled at me. By this time of course, I’d not only missed my scheduled connecting flight,but also 2 other connecting flights I could potentially had got on, my checked-in luggage had already gone ahead to my destination airport, and I didn’t get into my final destination until 3:30 a.m the next morning – at another airport miles away from where my luggage had gone ( my previous scheduled arrival barring this incident was to have been 6pm) .It was an altogether very unpleasant experience and made me reflect on whether I wanted to continue visiting the States in the near future – each trip from Europe with ticket fare, hotel stay, spending money etc, usually costs me at least $2,000. That’s $2,000 to the US economy each time I come here, but if i’m going to be made to feel as if I must be up to no good simply because of my skin colour, then is it really worth it? Might it not be better to take my tourist dollars to say Bahamas for example,at least there I know I won’t be humiliated for being “different”. No one is saying Homeland Security shouldn’t do their job, and post 9/11, I understand the paranoia that’s quite prevalent in the society these days. But there must be a way in which the job can be done more efficiently & competently and certainly more courteously, with respect and dignity to the passenger/traveller. Not all visitors to the US bear malicious intent towards this great nation, and certainly not all “non-white, non-American” nationals of other great countries are terrorists.

          While I am reallly sorry about this truly unpleasant experience that you had to go through Hoshana, I am very happy and applaud you for sharing your experience and thus helping to initiate and generate debate and discussion on this topical issue.

          The bitter truth of the matter is that this sort of thing happens ALL to the time to those of us who are “different” on account of descent or accent. Our stories never get told because we are “foreign” and so therefore in some way, in doesn’t matter the way we are treated,because we don’t matter, we don’t have a voice.

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        • Anne

           /  September 14, 2011

          They have not accomplished that task. Accomplishing this task would not generate over 300 supporters of this post and 1,726 responses. The world is evolving into one of dialogue and communication. How many individual people around the world respond to a community’s aid in the face of devastation? This past Sunday I decided to read up on 9/11 – not the political rhetoric, but what people did and how they helped, blindly, unflaggingly and out of instinct. I was amazed.

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        • Susan

           /  September 14, 2011

          The terrorists are traitors within your own gov.. 911 wasnt perpetrated by Muslims. Watch Loose Change. Watch this little summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO2KOL6SadY&list=PLDEFDED8905F97506&feature=player_embedded#!

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        • Alicia Chandler

           /  September 14, 2011

          I hate it, but I have to agree with your point of the terrorists winning by turning Americans and people in general against each other, based on race and/or ethnicity.

          Thank you so much for sharing your horror with us, to make us all aware of what is happening to innocent people all the time. Unfortunately, we sometimes need a reminder, and I hate that it was at your expense, and the expense of the other two gentlemen who went through it with you. I pray that you will be able to ‘be the bigger person’, and expect that you are, by not hating all of us for the bigots and jerks that ARE out there. Hugs and prayers,

          Alicia

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      • Abhi

         /  September 13, 2011

        Personally, as a non-american, I can completely understand a country that was attacked by a bunch of foreigners, conducting racial-profiling… of foreigners. But when some geniuses decide that the response to terrorists from another country blowing up stuff, is to start suspecting and treating your own citizens as criminals, it starts seeming surreal. How hard would it be to just maybe casually check the “suspects” for weapons and isolate them while you checked if they actually were citizens or not? If they are citizen how does anything else matter? How many americans participated in 911 exactly?

        I could totally understand if I as a foreigner was treated as a suspect. Hey, I have all the choice in the world to not to travel to USA. I mean the country was attacked by foreigners, so I may not like to be treated like this, but I can at least understand.

        But why should an American citizen be understanding about this? Why should they cooperate?

        And what is even more surreal is that majority of Americans will actually accept this kind of logic and take it lying down. Why is no one actually asking their representatives, why the government is treating its own citizens as potential terrorists? Why is no one asking Obama this question on Live TV?

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        • Ricky

           /  September 13, 2011

          First, I appreciate this comment coming from a non-American citizen. I also believe that if this happened to an American flying to another country, there would be a lot of yelling and self-righteousness about how dare they detain me, etc. But, for an American, in America, its just taken as if its for the ‘Good of the General Population’. Those bleak futures spoken about in 1984 and Brave New World are coming true and America is the leader.

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          • jem from california

             /  September 13, 2011

            Please explain what you mean by a “non-American Citizen”. If I read correctly she is an american and always has been. It’s her family that were Non-american at one time in her heritage line.

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          • Cassandra

             /  September 13, 2011

            “I also believe that if this happened to an American flying to another country, there would be a lot of yelling and self-righteousness about how dare they detain me, etc.”

            Exactly. Imagine three American white dudes getting pulled off a plane in Jordan, or China, and being arrested and interrogated for six hours. The American press would go absolutely apeshit.

            But the scariest thing about this is the (nice) FBI agent mentioning that there had been 50 similar incidents that day. This is not a unique story that we can wave away as “oh, better safe than sorry”. This is something that happened to one intelligent, eloquent woman with a blog who wanted to share her story, and about a hundred other people who we haven’t heard from, who probably want to forget the entire thing. It’s not an freak accident – this is how Homeland Security works, and it is beyond ridiculous. According to the AP article, the government sent two fighter jets to “escort” the plane into Detroit. Because there were too many brown people in one place, and one of them had the drizzling shits during the flight. Terrifying, really.

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          • I think as an immigrant who is now an American citizen (and well aware of American history and culture), I concur with Abhi’s words. American citizens should not take this lying down or without clothes. The person should sue the government and take it to the Supreme Court and get them to rule on this issue, and who knows, a court may well find these kinds of activities illegal and unconstitutional. The problem is that no one is doing this since they don’t have the resources to deal with the legal system (which has become a travesty). So unless you can fight your own case or unless you’re rich enough to hire a good lawyer, you’re hosed.

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        • JackRabbit

           /  September 13, 2011

          Our “representatives” are not (and have not for some time) representing us. They speak for their bank accounts and special interest groups. They don’t care about what happens to the average American so long as they get theirs.

          It’s sad. And I pray every night that it stops. But it’s the truth.

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          • wargalley

             /  September 13, 2011

            Worst part about it imo is how the Patriot Act was reinstated in less than an hour about half a year ago or so. When does our government EVER take less than an hour to decide on something important?

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          • Gump

             /  September 13, 2011

            So and sadly true.

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        • Bang

           /  September 13, 2011

          Well, this kind of reaction that the US Gov gives to her citizens is not the first time. Otherwise, there would not have the Japanese Internment Camps during WWII!

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        • Finisterre

           /  September 13, 2011

          Wait, what? So it’s not OK for Shoshana to be arrested and humiliated, likely because of her ethnicity, because she’s an American citizen, but it would be absolutely fine for a *non-American* person to be arrested and humiliated because of their ethnicity?

          This is *exactly* the same thinking that caused this disgusting incident to happen to Shoshana. Racial profiling is wrong because it targets innocent people for very nasty harassment on unacceptably vague and ineffective grounds. What happened to Shoshana should not happen to anyone, American citizen or not. It is not an effective way of preventing terrorism and it is certainly not the action of a liberal, rational state.

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        • Chris

           /  September 13, 2011

          Great post…well said.

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        • In Respect

           /  September 13, 2011

          Abhi, thank you for your comment. As an American, I appreciate your appreciation of why racial profiling is a logical course of action to take. To your question, a couple of the latest attempted attacks were by American citizens with ties to terror groups and if I recall, there was some indication that attempts on the anniversary might be by “home grown terrorists”.

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        • Abhi, you are absolutely right with your questions. I asked myself the same questions but got no answer.

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        • Lisa

           /  September 13, 2011

          Unfortunately, we have terrorists here in our own country that are citizens and who choose to follow some anti-American train of thought. Whether American citizens or not, any form of terrorist is not something anybody in any country should have to deal with. With that being said, it is horrible that this woman underwent this treatment. It’s like seeing somebody on the street and assuming they are a gang member because of the way they look. Because of a few sick twisted people, the newest form of biggotry has come at the expense of those of middle-eastern heritage. Even President Obama has had to endure such prejudice even after he has won an election and is trying to run a country.
          I hope this helps us all to become more accepting of others…even if they look like they are middle-eastern. Just like every other generalization, just because their skin is darker or they look a certain way, doesn’t mean that are going to do harm to anyone or anything.

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        • Chris

           /  September 13, 2011

          did you know that at least one of the terrorists who help hijack one of the airlines was an american citizen and had been living in america legally practically his whole life? he had 2 kids and a wife and lived in florida. but yet you ask why us americans treat our own citizens like this its because of people like that terrorist. just because your a citizen doesnt mean your here because you love the country. and that goes for any race for those people who like to play the race and ethnicity game.

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            So, it is your opinion that all American citizens should be strip searched and cavity probed either before, during, or after flying, yes? I mean, if you are making the argument that one of the 9/11 terrorists was an American citizen, then all American citizens need to be searched and interrogated the way Ms. Shebshi was, according to that logic.

            Unless you are making the argument that only SOME American citizens should be searched and interrogated, and certainly you aren’t making that argument, are you?

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            • You are twisting words and therefore not making any sense what so ever. Just thought you should know.

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              • Sarah

                 /  September 13, 2011

                …yeah, her comment came completely out of left field. Chris was saying that not every terrorist attacking the U.S. comes from a non-U.S. country.

                And yes, “only SOME American citizens should be searched and interrogated” — ones that look nervous, ones whose paperwork doesn’t line up with the facts, etc.

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                • Ron

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  Well .. looking nervous is fairly normal when there is a threat of a finger going up your butt. And what paperwork?, flying domestically in the US no ID is required, you will definitely be held up without it, but you can freely travel from Maine to California by bus with no formal ID, flying is no different.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  My comments were based on “Chris”‘s original posts, the first part of which is reproduced here:

                  “did you know that at least one of the terrorists who help hijack one of the airlines was an american citizen and had been living in america legally practically his whole life? he had 2 kids and a wife and lived in florida. but yet you ask why us americans treat our own citizens like this its because of people like that terrorist.”

                  My assumption, based on that post, is that “Chris” was saying that because one of the 9/11 terrorists was an American citizen, it was okay to target American citizens for Constitutional rights violations. If “Chris” was saying something else, it was not clear what that was.

                  Ms. Shebshi’s paperwork was not at issue, nor was her demeanor at issue. She was reported for suspicious activity for sitting in the same row as men of Indian descent.

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                  • Justin

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Allison, millions of American citizens who have the appearance of possible middle eastern decent, myself included have been aboard air planes since 9/11. These people are not routinely strip searched and violated. This is an isolated incident with very unique circumstances. I belief your views are coming from a noble place, but it doesn’t seem as if you are able to step back and view this particular incident objectively. Although everybody should be empathetic for these individuals involved, I think most rational people who are able to put aside political correctness and be honest with themselves would admit that the particular circumstances of this incident would create reasonable suspicion.

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      The particular circumstances of this incident create reasonable suspicion how? Simply because Ms. Shebshi was sitting in the same row as two other dark-skinned individuals? What did Ms. Shebshi do that fit the description of suspicious activity?

                      Just because every single dark-skinned flier isn’t strip searched and interrogated doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be outraged when racial profiling is done for some of them.

                    • Joe Jericho

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      I don’t get this comment either. I am looking at this objectively and asking questions, which is what Allison is doing. Obviously, Allison is concerned not only with this incident, but with the broader implications of what is happening here. I am also concerned about this. Clearly, there are not enough facts known for you to conclude that there was reasonable suspicion in this case. The blog entry doesn’t demonstrate the facts, but neither does the AP story. I want to know more. In the meantime, it sounds like some other passenger(s) reported “suspicious activity”. What does that mean? Should the government have to articulate to the aggrieved what that suspicion was or what it constitutes? This is a dangerous situation that is used in Cuba all the time to go in and ransack people’s homes and lives. Seemingly, we are but a step away from that. I have a problem with that.

                    • Tony S

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Justin,

                      I’m one of those US citizens who appears to be of middle eastern descent, though I’m of Italian and Mexican heritage. Prior to 9-11 I was frequently stopped by airport security for additional checks, including having my laptop case swiped with a card to check for chemical residue.

                      At first, it was embarrassing, then it was just plain annoying. My being stopped meant my co-workers had to wait for me, or worse, they would be checked as well.

                      Following 9-11, my first few trips through airport security were much different. My first flight was just after planes were allowed to fly again, and there were some in the media warning of racial profiling. During that first trip, not only wasn’t I checked, when I passed the security personnel that checked bags for chemical substance, the officers actually turned away from me. While it was a nice change, I didn’t think it was going to last. It didn’t.

                      Not long after, I was almost always taken aside for extra screening at the main checkpoint, and occasionally had the “X” on my ticket that identified me as someone who had to be checked at the gate as well. It would sometimes take me a half hour to get through security from start to finish, not counting the time I spent waiting in line.

                      While I originally considered it to be just a progression in making the flying public feel more secure, I soon came to resent all the extra attention. So did my co-workers.

                      While my experiences weren’t as extreme as Mrs. Shebshi’s, it was apparent to me that things were going too far. People shouldn’t have to go through this, not in the USA. It’s not what we stand for, and none of us should accept it as the price to pay because some people wish to live in fear.

                      At no time does law enforcement have a right to invade our physical self without due cause. And last I heard, an unsubstantiated allegation is considered hearsay, not due cause.

                      if you’re willing to give up your Constitutional rights, including the right to privacy and the assumption of innocent until proven guilty, be my guest, but don’t demand the same from me.

                  • Charls Martel

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Correct, there is no way to tell if someone is a terrorist by Citicenship. all individuals should be treated with equal suspicion. unless you have evidence of the contrary (that is, no us citien engages or will engage in a form of terrorism).

                    in the end the moral of the story should be about how everyone should get along, because it is not about the rules we put into place doing what they were designed to do.

                    I am not aware of any Constitutional rights violations here either.

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                    • Joe Jericho

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      With all due respect, that is because you just aren’t aware period. Again, I’d like to know where an anonymous report leads to a strip search without more reasonable suspicion. Obviously, they searched her to see if she had a device or explosive on her person, right? I mean, what other technical explanation for the search? She was screened by TSA. They can check her hands and garmets for explosive residue. They can do an enhanced pat-down, but no, they wanted to do the strip search. Why? You don’t know why, but the government does and I want to hear the explanation. Maybe TSA Bob will tell us (then again, maybe he wont). lol

                    • Lance

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      4th Amendment – unreasonable search and seizure, based upon the report of “suspicious activity” (which was merely sitting in her seat) by a citizen with no applicable training to determine probable cause.

                      6th Amendment – the right to face your accuser.

                      A lesson in Constitutional law would serve you well.

                    • Matt

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Look up Coffin v. United States.

                      We are a nation governed by the Rule of Law. That is the essence of a Republic. There are three sources of law in this country — the United States Constitution, Congress, and Common Law as established through the precedents set by our court system. The last time I checked, the crashing of planes into buildings by foreign terrorists does NOT constitute one of those sources of law. It therefore does not grant legitimacy to measures which contradict our fundamental laws.

                      Presumption of innocence is a firmly established matter of Common Law in this country. Coffin v. United States firmly established that. It does not need a word-for-word presence in the Constitution to be the law of the land.

                      Your notion that “all individuals should be treated with equal suspicion. unless you have evidence of the contrary (that is, no us citien engages or will engage in a form of terrorism),” is as unpatriotic and illegal as it is paranoid.

                    • Susan

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Have you read the Constitution? Of course her rights were violated. Also I am not aware that any of the alleged highjackers were American. One lived in FL and worked for the NSA- Mohammed Atta- an Egyptian. But he was employed by our own gov.- the NSA. His father also claims to have gotten a call from him the day after 911. 7 of the alleged highjackers turned up alive and living abroad. One had died 2 years before. HOW CAN ANY GOV. HAVE MUGSHOTS of 19 men and have “solved the crime” within 2 days of the event before doing an investigation- especially when these 19 names were not on the official passenger lists- and where would they have gotten mugshots?

                • Paul K

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  One who spends too much time in the bathroom…

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          • You had me right up to the point where you failed 8th grade English . . .

            learn the difference between ‘your’ and you’re’ . . . how hard is this folks?

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            • Grammar Clown

               /  September 14, 2011

              It could have been a typo. And how hard is it to write in normal sentences instead of using your silly ellipses?

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            • MrLee

               /  September 14, 2011

              OH NO SHE MADE A SPELLING ERROR!! Lets discredit everything they say because they used your instead of you’re!! Give me a break and grow the F up and get over it!!!
              Anyways, I am very sorry for what happened to you Shoshana!! Like someone typed above “People have become so paranoid, scared of every shadow, every whisper that isn’t government sanctioned. I am ashamed of people who react blindly.”

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          • Chetan

             /  September 14, 2011

            It may go for any race, but how many stories have you heard of three white people locked up, not given access to a lawyer, and strip searched?

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            • Joe Jericho

               /  September 14, 2011

              That’s a good point. Right now, I am not familiar with it. I have just heard and seen a lot of white people and white kids getting groped at the airport, but I digress, I suppose it could be worse. I am still not going to excuse it. My feeling is that the government no longer works for us. It is us against them. They treat us as their subjects, and that is not the America I grew up in.

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          • alytron

             /  September 14, 2011

            Really? all of the information I can find about them says no, that is not true at all. So please give up some information, a name, a link to a news story, something to validate this.

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        • Kathy

           /  September 13, 2011

          our own citizens do plot against us!! There are Americans involved in terrorist activities. That is part of the problem!! I feel bad about this particular incident but I also understand where whoever reported this is coming from. I wish they would have watched more closely because if what you say is true( never left your seat, didn’t talk to anyone etc.) than hopefully it would never had happened!! But I am very nervous to fly. And I do watch others very carefully when I’m flying. I do agree a casual “check” would have been better. Americans come in all races and all nationalities and so I really do watch everyone!!

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            Please provide links to stories of white Americans being handcuffed and removed from a plane, strip and cavity searched, and interrogated.

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            • Justin

               /  September 14, 2011

              Allison please provide links to distinctly identifiable white Americans that hijacked air planes and flew them into buildings killing thousands. I will then provide links to similar looking distinctly identifiable white Americans being handcuffed and removed from a plane, strip and cavity searched, and interrogated because they randomly found themselves in a situation that provoked reasonable suspicion…It’s not as simple as your trying to make it !!!

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              • In 1974, a disgruntled white man walked into BWI, shot and killed an airport security guard and then proceeded to hijack an airliner for the sole purpose of flying it into the white house and killing the President. Does that sound at least similar to 9/11? Things like that event actually have happened quite a few times but rarely go reported for security reasons. We don’t want people to know just how often government leaders are targeted.

                The situation described by Mrs. Hebshi was racially motivated and no reasonable probable cause was given to justify the actions taken.

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              • Allison

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Just because Ms. Shebshi happens to be in the same ethnic group as the 9/11 terrorist does not make her a terrorist, nor does it make the millions of people in that ethnic group terrorists by definition.

                What actions by Ms. Shebshi provoked reasonable suspicion?

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                • Joe Jericho

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  I think Justin makes a good point, but this is why we need something more of an Israeli-based screening model, not the monster we have created due to political concerns. At the same time, you are correct about the reasonable suspicion angle. As a regular joe looking out for my family and our freedoms, I do believe that the enhanced screening needs to be appropriately targeted, but in this case, we are talking about prior-screening, not after that fact harassment like we see here. This story implicates do many problems with what is going on with air transportation in America and even other societal issues.

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              • David

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Timothy McVeigh was a typical looking white American. He personally participated in the planning and execution of a terrorist attack in the US that killed 167 people. He didn’t use a plane, he used a Ryder rental truck.

                By your logic, can you provide links to similar looking white Americans being handcuffed and detained, strip and cavity searched, and interrogated because they happened to be renting a moving truck?

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              • Jeanine

                 /  September 14, 2011

                We do NOT NEED TO ACCEPT THESE TYPE OF VILE VIOLATIONS Timothy McVeigh murdered several HUNDRED people in a FEDERAL BUILDING NO LESS, and yet we do not see white males being profiled. You are BIGOTED ASS JUSTIN.

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              • I support Rationality

                 /  September 14, 2011
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              • Jess

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Dude that’s racist.

                I mean, really, literally-Joe-Biden, it is. I’m not just some airheaded pwog that likes to use that word all the time. Attempting to justify mistreatment of human beings by referring to the actions of other people with a similar ethnicity is like straight out of the KKK, yo.

                Timmy McVeigh was white, and every day thousands of people that look just like him hang out at federal buildings without getting strip-searched. Furthermore, they wouldn’t get strip-searched even if some cowardly mouth-breathing kook called in a warning of “suspicious behavior”. Double standard, amirite?

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          • Tony

             /  September 14, 2011

            And while you`re watching everyone else I will report you for looking nervous and suspicious.

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        • Ahbi,

          You have my utmost respect and admiration for your very sensible and logical comment. It’s more about controlling and stripping the citizenry of our rights than it is about security. Why couldn’t they have put the “suspects” through one of those virtual clothes-stripping scanners when they were taken into custody, and/or had them sniffed by a bomb-detecting dog, or some other screening process that does not involve the indignation to which they were subjected. Ok, it’s plausible that a plot could have existed, and perhaps that plot could include blowing the whole plane up when it reaches the terminal, but that’s the risk everyone takes when we travel–some idiot is gonna do something stupid. I’m not going to blame the Captain, who ultimately decided that the information relayed to him in-flight by his crew was enough reason to report it to authorities on the ground, who made the call based on a report passed-off 3rd-hand from 30,000 feet. For crying out loud, the flight was traveling from a U.S. major city, not some foreign country that could care less about our security concerns. They could have given the people something like a sobriety test on the spot, like, “who’s your Senator or Congressman?” or “describe the house that you grew up in.” If they start singing alla akbar, or some other crazy crap, then they get strip searched. But if they can answer without a terrorist accent or attitude, then let them go, or at least tell them that if they don’t strip or somehow show that they’re legit, then they’ll be subjected to surveillance, and/or put on the no-fly list, for say, 6 months. I mean, whatever happened to the protection against “unreasonable searches and seizures?” If you’re born here, and/or you have melted into the pot by learning the language and you dress and act like an American, like this Mom apparently does, give ‘em a break! Take down their license, and follow up if they feel as though they’re a threat. If they are, then more terrorists could be caught w/out even having to do the Chinese water-torture thing.

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        • That is so true @ Abhi and I absolutely support it. I mean as a non-american citizen and a colored person i get stopped at every single air travel and i am always one of those randomly chosen persosn who is put through full body search or asked to randomly open her cabin luggage right before boarding a flight when my baggage has already been cleared. however i have always justified that as thinking a country which has been attacked has some right to check international incoming people more stringently than citizens. but its un-acceptable when its meted out to american citizens because of color. as someone very well said before in one of the posts-its okay to harasss colored “American citizens” because caucasian citizens can feel safer! wow!

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          • Joe Jericho

             /  September 14, 2011

            This isn’t totally right. My white brother gets harassed flying to Asia all the time, both here in the US and over there. He just fits some kind of profile, probably involving drugs. But, I commend you for recognizing, without knowing our laws, that you traditionally you do not have the same rights when you are trying to enter the country from abroad as opposed to already being here. Unfortunately, our government is not recognizing this right all that much at the airports and even at the bus and train stations on occasion when they set up mobile TSA checkpoints.

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        • Abhi writes, “How hard would it be to just maybe casually check the “suspects” for weapons and isolate them while you checked if they actually were citizens or not?”

          Believe it or not, Abhi, this is not a question of citizenship. All non-citizens who are in the United States have the same rights afforded by the constitution as do citizens. The only right they don’t have is the right to vote.

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      • Ditto to the other responses to Dallas. Not only did they succeed in dividing us further but succeeded in bankrupting us thanks to the response to 9/11 (going to war).

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        • Rightasrain

           /  September 13, 2011

          Think California is bankrupt because of a war or stupidity?

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        • Marnie

           /  September 14, 2011

          Um, no – the people in charge of our own financial systems bankrupted us. Blaming it on the 9/11/01 attacks is simply an extreme form of laziness and denial, not to mention an aversion to taking responsibility for changing the situation. We are the only ones responsible for our reactions to their actions. We could have responded differently. There was certainly no need to declare war on Iraq in response to an attack by a rebel group in Afghanistan.
          Obviously, many Americans need to wipe the sleep from their eyes and start looking at the cold hard facts. But, to do that, we have to convince our citizens to get off their lazy asses, turn off the reality t.v., put away the Doritos and actually do something… I mean, who is actually going to admit responsibility for something they’d have to do something about if they were to acknowledge the truth? This corrupt government is doing an amazing job of keeping us sick and unmotivated to move at all.
          This is not the fault of the terrorists – it’s not even the fault of our government! It is our own fault. So, either stop bothering to comment on blogs about it, or get off your asses and do something.

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          • Marnie, how you feel about the war is exactly how I feel about it –it was unnecessary. (Read what I wrote again – I said “response to 9/11″ – I didn’t say 9/11 itself). But it wasn’t the banking system that caused us trillions of dollars deficit… it was the war. By September 2008 when the banks collapsed, we already had a deficit.

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            • AND by the way, this is what the terrorists ultimately want: the collapse of America. That’s why they chose the twin towers in Manhattan –it’s a symbol of our dreams and also our might, it’s right next to Wall Street. Did they expect our economy to collapse? No. They didn’t even think the towers would collapse (going by a recent documentary I saw about Bin Laden). But we responded in such a way as to bankrupt ourselves.

              Damn that Bush.

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      • Martijn

         /  September 13, 2011

        Unfortunately, it will be a long long way (if ever) to return to anything that resembles normal. A major problem is that instilling fear works very well on most (and it seems especially the American) people. Sad but true.
        People don’t rationalize for themselves anymore, they let others tell them “truths” and use fear as a way to feed these truths. Look at advertisement for health products for example, most of it is based on fear.

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      • Laura

         /  September 13, 2011

        The last ten years may be the best gift to those who study the sociology of Nazism and/or Communism. The question of how a civilized and educated people (Germany in the beginning of the 20th century) would become accomplices to the Nazi government that passed the Nuremberg laws and how a people would turn their backs on their neighbors and friends, locking the other way when the authorities arrested and detained with no other reason but race is being answer here, in America, for the last ten years. Cowered by fear, not only of terrorists but of the Homeland security, FBI and the slew of other agencies that grew out of 9/11, each of us is silent and compliant, when not others rights are infringed but ours as well. Now we know that the communists might not have been smart economists or administrators but they were brilliant sociologists and psychologists. They knew that once the spirit of a people is broken through terror controlling the individuals is easy. You just need to reinforce the memory once in a while, just to remind the folks who is in control. Otherwise, just arrest people, limit their liberties, take away their rights – not all at once, just few at a time – and, when one day, they will realize what happens to them it would be too late – the muzzle in place, the chains permanently attached and a fake smile required – they are now protected.

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        • I understand the thoughts of trying to equate Nazism and Communism to overeacting security issues such as this but they are not even close to being on the same moral plane and I am so tired of people comparing one kind of issue to another without really critically looking at the nature of the items being compared. Your reaction is the fear itself, not what is going on. I have had other times when authorities have required my personal information due to suspicions but you don’t argue, you deal with it and if there is a violation of your rights you lawyer up. That’s life.

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          • Ian

             /  September 13, 2011

            Er. In what way IS this different than the early years of Nazism and Communism? This IS what it was like, and the Russian people and the German people just going along with it is what allowed it to progress into its later, worse forms.

            You stop things like that at THIS point, not at THAT point. Your argument is what? Are we supposed to wait until we get to Stalin before we take any action, or are we supposed to try to point out how wrong it is NOW, BEFORE we get to Stalin?

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            • paul

               /  September 13, 2011

              early nazism didn’t look anything like what the writers did. early nazism involved serious amounts pressure and injustice at an ENTIRE group. This story illustrates what happened to a few of the millions of indians/middle easterners in this country. there is no systematic effort by the government to prevent these folks from owning property, getting a job, or anything else the nazis forced on the jews during their early reign in germany.

              also, although i’m deeply disturbed by how this situation was handled by the government (in an unthinking, mindless, by the book way). imagine what would happen if lax security caused a plane to be blown up. i agree that these folks should have been taken outside the plane for a moment, questioned by a seasoned professional or maybe an israeli agent (the israeli airport authorities are crackerjack at this) in the back of a bus or something, and then cleared to go. there are tell tale signs of terror and a seasoned agent would be able to pick up on these things immediately. I really think this is the result of 1) it being 9/11 2) rednecks on the plane who would rather be safe than sorry 3) officers who are not able to think or making decisions but have to follow protocol by the book. In any case, this never should have happened.

              But I don’t think it’s fair to equate this with nazism

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              • You need to study how nazism and stalinism worked. It is the exact same game plan, exact same process, for the same reasons, for the same goals. Read Rise and Fall by Shirer, and read why the communists built the berlin wall, for exactly the same reasons we are building wall with mexicans… national security, economic concerns, terrorism… It needs to stop now.

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              • Tom Lange

                 /  September 13, 2011

                I don’t think you are looking at the big picture in your reply… Nazi Germany started by believing that a certain group of people were to blame… They became the focal point, and the scapegoat… And from there, it wasn’t long before Hitler was leading the lemmings on a leash-to genocide.

                Take a step back, and look again… The similarities are there… If you don’t see them, I suggest that you might believe that “apples and oranges” is a valid expression of disparate things… (it isn’t.)

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                • Tony

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Tom I agree with you and Ian, I have studied WWII and I thoroughly. Here`s what the Sheeple you are arguing with cannot see and what happened ten years ago is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany.

                  As a reasoned to give him control over Germany He burned down the Parliament building and blamed it on foreign terrorist which enabled him to create laws that took the german peoples right away and made them the enemy as well as have their blessing to go to war to get the terrorist.

                  And this was exactly what happened on 9/11 our own Gov`t did this blamed it on foreign terrorist of middle eastern decent to get us into war while at the same time created laws that made us the enemy.

                  All of Bushes speeches were recycled Hitler speeches with Hitlers named changed to Bush, and so his daddy and the Bin Ladens made billions and Billions of Dollars along with the new tricky Dick (Chaney) The Bank HSBC and loads of others.

                  And in the end we`re the ones that got screwed.

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                  • Joe Jericho

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    I agree with your other posts, but not this one. First of all, Hitler blamed the torching of the Reichstag on the Communists, as in domestic communists. Minor point, I know. I also agree with you that Bush has played a big hand in this, but Obama has clearly doubled-down on it. This alarms me that both parties act in such a tyrannical and dictatorial fashion. Some of the tactics used appear to be “gestapo” and nazi-like, and they are, but I think if we are moving towards one model at all, it is more of a socialist/communist model rather than a fascist model. Of course, by now, the argument is almost semantical. Who cares? We the people get screwed. We need Obama to get tossed out of the white house. At the same time, we don’t need one party controlling all of government. I suffer no delusions that a Republican president is going to stop all of this nonsense going on at the airports. Hell, the media won’t even ask the candidates their stance on this. And we all know that Rick Perry played a major role in killing the Texas anti-TSA state bill.

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                  • Lance

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    You were being somewhat reasonable, until:

                    “All of Bushes speeches were recycled Hitler speeches with Hitlers named changed to Bush, and so his daddy and the Bin Ladens made billions and Billions of Dollars along with the new tricky Dick (Chaney) The Bank HSBC and loads of others.”

                    Now I have no choice but to discount your post as tired rhetorical tripe. (And by the way – I’m with the author on this, not those who flail wildly trying to defend undefendable policy)

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              • what about the right to remain silent? you come on the airplane, seize me off of it, cuff me, toss me in a cell, and generally behave like a storm trooper. My response is to tell you to f off – but thats just me. I have ZERO reason to speak with you – just get me a lawyer and wait for the feces storm to begin. I’d still be in jail there in Detroit but I will probably never have to work again . . . because the tax payers will be paying me a huge settlement for the violation of my rights. These folks forget – WE possess the rights – we granted a few to the central government. Its too bad that the Civil War ended the way it did – because it cemented this all knowing all powerful central government that thinks it knows best.

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                • George Bacon

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  OK, Joe – that’s quite a leap from 2011 terror issues to the outcome of the Civil War. “It’s too bad that the Civil War ended the way it did…” Seriously? If the other side had prevailed, we would still have slavery as a legal institution in this country. Slavery is the ultimate form of terror, is it not?

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                • Mister Aloha

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  You speak like that cause you caucasion and this is America, try doing that in a 3rd world country!

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                • BayAreaBiker

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Yeah! the idea is good up to a point but the problem with that whole plan is what if after arresting, the “authorities” ship you off to Gitmo or try the case in a Military Court. Remember, the “authorities” have access to the media to let the fellow citizens “know” about the “enemy combatant” before you can even get your day in a court of law and say “Not Guilty”.

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            • thankful

               /  September 13, 2011

              Tt seems to me that all you people are forgetting or overlooking one fact the reason that the plane was stopped was because the two men were taking an excessively long time in the bathrooms, Not because of the color of their skin. yes she happened to be sitting with them and she unfortunately was gathered into this whole scenario. I would rather be strip-searched and embarrassed and be alive than not and be dead. So maybe we should be thankful that the pilots and the airline attendants are being more aware of the activities of passengers. It seems to me that you people are the one that is making it about race than about facts. I don’t the pilots looked at them and determine whether they were or were not American citizens. I am sure we are all well aware of the fact that there have been American citizens that have committed travesties . So as far as I’m concerned thank you Frontier pilots and attendant keep up the good job and continue to keep us safe

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              • Allison

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Your willingness to sacrifice your Constitutional rights does not mean that everyone should be forced to do so.

                Random reports of unspecified suspicious activity by random civilians should not become the basis of illegal or unreasonable searches and seizures.

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                • Justin

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Allison, “Thankful” pointed out logical and objective reasoning that highlighted the unique facts of this individual scenario, but for some reason you are unable or unwilling to step back and view this objectively on its individual merits. As per the response of the airline and law enforcement the report was neither unspecified or random, to say that you would have to provide evidence that at least on passenger on the plane had a contradictory observation of the men that got up together and spent a long time in the restroom. That information has not even been challenged, hence your arguement of the search being illegal or unreasonable is subjective. I imagine the families of passengers from United Flight 93 might see it differently.

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                  • Allison

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Spending a long time in a bathroom due to airsickness is not suspicious.

                    Do not invoke the 9/11 dead to justify this. Doing so dishonors their memory.

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                    • Lance

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      /sarcasmon

                      That’s right! Cuff/detain/strip EVERY SINGLE PERSON who spends more than 30 seconds in the lavatory, or who uses a barf bag! Airsickness is a precursor to terror!

                      /sarcasmoff

                  • Joe Jericho

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Looks to me like you are frustrated that Allison won’t see it your way. Sorry, bro, but that’s life. Allison is not acting unreasonable here, and there are loads and loads of unreasonableness on the internet. Allison is looking at this from a more macro point of view in terms how this could impact any and all of us. I understand the viewpoint. If she isn’t a lawyer, she might want to consider law school.

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Ew, no. Got lots of lawyers in my family, though, and grew up debating issues around the dinner table. Thank you for your kind words.

                • avery

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  uh…that’s where you are WRONG. We live in a democracy.
                  You keep claiming to be American…but you SURE don’t seem to have a clue about American Law and Democracy.

                  I’m growing more suspicious of you by the minute.

                  We elect our leaders and they make laws that we, as citizens follow.

                  it’s really not all that complicated.

                  No one is “sacrificing their Constitutional rights” — in fact — just the opposite. They are following the right to VOTE and have elected leaders make decisions in the best interest of its citizens, which is exactly what Homeland Security was born out of.
                  It’s been around for many years now — so when have you been exercising your “constitutional right” before then to have it revoked, if that’s what you believe?

                  No one said it was a “random report” — and no one said it came from a “civilian” — once again — you are showing your own bias.

                  The pilots do NOT make decisions to have flights scrambled based on “random civilian reports.”

                  You really DO need to take a civics lesson….and get up to speed on how Homeland Security really works.

                  And….you need to get out more (but preferably, not via a plane).

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                  • Allison

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Apparently, the decisions of those leaders involved stripping American citizens of their Constitutional rights (or at least redefining those rights in detrimental ways). I do not and did not support those decisions.

                    Pilots, as far as I am aware, don’t make decisions about scrambling F-16s. That would be the decision of Homeland Security, yes? So Homeland Security made the decision to scramble fighter jets, handcuff and detain and strip search and interrogate three innocent people, on the unsubstantiated report of unspecified suspicious activity.

                    That’s not acceptable to me, and it appears based on this comments discussion that it’s not acceptable to a large number of Americans as well.

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                  • Johnathane Dorane

                     /  September 15, 2011

                    “uh…that’s where you are WRONG. We live in a democracy.
                    You keep claiming to be American…but you SURE don’t seem to have a clue about American Law and Democracy.”
                    Technically we live in a Representative Republic. In a democracy every policy would have to be put to a general election. I do not normally correct another person’s misidentification of our federal government, but since you decided to insult someone’s understanding of that exact topic I could not help myself.
                    You do not have to exercise a right in order to have it taken away. Are you saying that if I exercise my right to remain silent I forever give up my right to free speech?
                    You are correct that the DHS made the decision to sent the two F16s, although from recent articles no authority is taking credit for the strip-search. The FBI has denied any association with it. The airline has denied ever identifying the lady who wrote the blog post.
                    The DHS was created by the legislative branch, but their creation does not mean they are automatically constitutional. The Judicial branch has the power to reject any law that it deems unconstitutional. Unfortunately they can not exercise this power until the law is challenged. This is why I hope Shoshana does not let this go and pursues all legal avenues available to her. I really want to see whether the judicial branch will deem the detention, strip-searching, and interrogation of someone based on the person assigned to sit in the seat next to them spending a bit of time in the bathroom a constitutionally legal procedure.

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                    • ruth

                       /  September 18, 2011

                      Jonathane – I hope she does, too, but I wonder if DHS and the airline are already working on sweeping it under the rug and paying the three off so that this test doesn’t occur, and they continue to operate in the same fashion. With denials from the airline and FBI, it looks as though the documentation trail is already being hidden…or maybe this is just another way that the Patriot Act makes it possible to treat someone as a criminal or combatant, then deny it because there is “no proof” of its occurrence.

              • Anne

                 /  September 13, 2011

                It wasn’t because they took a long time in the bathroom, it’s because they went to the bathroom in succession. As in, one went to the bathroom, came back, and then the other one got up and went to the bathroom. Nothing else was offered as suspicious activity besides that and the fact that they were all the same race and were sitting next to each other. Right. That’s totally logical. Two people both having to pee around the same time? That NEVER happens! AND they’re all indian!? Better sound the alarms!

                Also, if it had been a flight attendant who thought they were taking too long in the bathroom all they would have had to do was check the bathroom after they were out. Have you been in an airplane bathroom? Not many places to stick a bomb. Also? Since when was taking a long time in the bathroom suspicious anyway? Maybe he was taking a shit. Maybe he was jerking off. Maybe he gets sick on flights and was throwing up because he didn’t want to sit next to a total stranger and throw up in a bag two inches away from them. It’s sad that you think “he must have a bomb” is an acceptable thing to have come to your mind.

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              • Thankful

                Come back to us when you’ve spent six or seven hours in a police cell, without information, or having any clue about whats going on.

                I find it somewhat gobsmacking that so many people would support such a gross violation of basic human rights based on someone elses paranoia not even based on the observations of trained law professionals.

                So they spent excess time in the bathroom. I have a stomach bug ATOW, I spent half an hour in the bathroom on a flight this morning, and I’m willing to put money on the fact no one would have blinked an eyelid because I’m white

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              • Joe

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Amazing, all of this happened because they spent too much time or made multiple trips to the rest rest room? People have health issues. Sometimes it is nervousness that results in multiple trips to the rest room. Irritable bowel syndrom, Colitis, nausia etc. There is absolutely no reason for the LEO’s to behave the way that they did. Keep in mind, these people were searched even before getting into the airport sterile area. Where was the risk? What threat did these people present that required the treatment that they received?

                The bottom line here is that the LEO’s were out of line and completely unjustified in what they did.

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              • Ram

                 /  September 14, 2011

                why is it that people are willing to sacrifice their constitutional rights in this case, but when it comes to giving up the right to bear arms, its’ “over my cold dead hands”?

                Does every white person who buys fertilizer now come under suspicion because of Timothy McVeigh? Let’s be clear, Timothy McVeigh and all the crazies who’ve gone postal and fired automatic weapons in schools, malls, offices, etc have done much more damage to America without nearly the negative response.

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              • Kremmen

                 /  September 14, 2011

                “thankful”, you are simply an idiot. You are praising the pilots and FA for stupidity in causing someone’s suffering for no reason with no justification. If nothing else, the plane was in the air already. The crew did nothing to restrain the passengers, so, if they’d had a weapon, they had every opportunity to use it. The Frontier staff involved should be arrested for making a false report and should pay compensation to every passenger for the delay, plus massive punitory damages to those who were arrested and assaulted without cause.

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              • Mister Aloha

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I agree! Freedom is earned, if they don’t like how America operates, then move back to your home country. We are not holding them back if they want to leave. North Koreans cannot leave their country even if they wanted to. That’s how that country lives. So leave if you don’t like America. One Nation Under GOD!!! God Bless the U.S. of A.!!!

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                • Joe Jericho

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  My family came to the US in the 1700s. Where do you want to place me if I don’t agree with you? Jesus…

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                • Matt

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  “Freedom is earned”

                  A question for you. What would you say to the man who wrote this?

                  “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

                  Freedom is another word for Liberty. Now, if the unalienable right to Liberty is granted by our Creator, how can it be earned?

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                • alytron

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Freedom is earned??!?!??!! What planet are you from? And if “they” don’t like the way American operates they should leave? First you’re assuming that “they” are immigrants, and second, the whole point of democracy and liberty are totally at odds with your whole statement. I think perhaps you need to open your eyes to the fact that not all brown people were born outside of the USA, that the constitution guarantees them the rights you feel they should “earn” (what have YOU done to earn YOUR freedom?), and also backs up the peoples rights to speak out, mobilize, organize and work towards change, not just be forced to leave. The whole POINT of the constitution is to protect the american people from oppressive, tyrannical rule and protect them from over reaching government, that is why America was formed, and the founding fathers would have told your royalist ass to get back to Britain if they heard you talking that kind of nonsense.

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                • Torus

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  Shoshana was, and always has been, a United States citizen. She was born here. I’m sick of all the people telling her to “go back to her home country” when… she’s already there. In the country that she loves.

                  And, by saying “freedom is earned”, thanks for letting us know you slept through your high school government class.

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              • Marnie

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Na, I always take a long time in the bathroom – for-ev-er – and I’ve never been questioned, handcuffed, strip searched, or even spoken to about it… Of course not – I’m white. (Nice try.)

                Also, I’m not trained in any sort of law enforcement, or even flight attendant protocol… But I’m sure that I could have easily, nicely, asked the gentleman if he was feeling okay, or needed anything – and found out right away whether he was actually doing something which warranted further investigation. We all watch too many hollywood movies with dumbed-down characters, who seem to have lost all their senses and intuition about anything, and get themselves killed by ignoring every possible sign of real concerns – for the sake of drama… We seem to have lost all faith in our own perception, and live in fear of what our imaginations can conjure up.

                Let’s not forget that the incidents of 9/11/01 were very, very rare – and unlikely to happen again in this country in any one of our – or our grandchildren’s lifetimes – even without strip searches after planes land.

                We need to get a grip on reality, people. Come on.

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              • Blue Pattern

                 /  September 14, 2011

                “Tt (sic) seems to me that all you people are forgetting or overlooking one fact the reason that the plane was stopped was because the two men were taking an excessively long time in the bathrooms,…”

                So, by this reasoning, an airline passenger who happens to have dark skin or a foreign accent (or both) could and likely would be reported for “suspicious activity” by a “loyal American” passenger who is irritated about having to wait their turn while the first passenger sits on the toilet to defecate — an activity that typically takes longer.

                Right. Now I understand. Using the toilet while looking or sounding different is a “suspicious activity.”

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              • Jan H

                 /  September 14, 2011

                When I heard this story on the news on Sunday, I thought maybe the men had had Mexican food and how embarrassed they must be. I can’t believe it evolved into this BECAUSE they were Indian.

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            • I support Rationality

               /  September 14, 2011

              I understand the attraction of trying to make a comparison between early Nazism and today’s America, but it is not possible to compare the CAUSE of the events of 9/11/11 with the cause of Hitler’s hysteria. There was no catastrophic terrorist event that led Hitler to uber-nationalism and his extreme hatred of the Jews. To compare those situations almost seems like justifying Hitler’s actions. We have reason to fear terrorists. We just should not assume that all brown-skinned people are terrorists. Hitler’s hatred of Jews was pure bigotry.

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          • Scojam

             /  September 13, 2011

            Sorry David but Laura was describing a process by which rights are lost and governments becomes the ultimate all seeing authority and citizens lose all recourse. You can’t compare the USA with Nazi Germany or Soviet Union Communism of course but she wasn’t doing that. Laura was describing a process that certainly is in place in America today. Unless something happens to change that process writers like Laura will be able discuss valid similarities with those regimes. It’s not there yet but it’s coming.

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          • SHM1026

             /  September 13, 2011

            David, thank you for mentioning that. It drives me up a wall how many times people try to equate Nazism with something going on in America today. The plain truth is that there is NOTHING that even comes close. Comparing something in America with Nazism is part of Glenn Beck’s schtick, and it is just plain ignorant. Since 9-11, we have had to take extraordinary measures to protect ourselves; and so far, we are proving to be lousy at doing it gracefully.

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          • Liz

             /  September 13, 2011

            PLEASE don’t even TRY to equate what you may have experienced from authorities to what the author experienced. Just stop it. You did not ever experience anything like what she did. “Required my personal information,” indeed. Yeah, they required her personal information, alright.

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          • Shanna

             /  September 13, 2011

            Yeppers. I am so tired of spoiled Americans whining about the very freedoms and safety the authorities provide. Freedom always comes at a price. I was once checked at an airport for drugs. And I have blonde hair. But I was dressed as a hippie, coming from sf and I realized this and moved on. It was no big deal. Grow up, miss shebhi. The only person who has a problem with your Arab background is you.

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            • jenojeno

               /  September 13, 2011

              “Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.” — George Orwell

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              You were handcuffed and taken off a plane, strip and cavity searched, and interrogated? I doubt it. You miss the point – “freedom” includes freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures (Constitution) and the right to confront one’s accuser (also, Constitution).

              The price of freedom shouldn’t be the surrender of our freedoms.

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              • Concerned US Citizen

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Good call, Allison. These three people need to be able to confront their accuser/s. And yes, being detained for hours, handcuffed, strip-searched does not compare to random “checks” for drugs. Let’s see how these people like a TSA officer getting gloved and sticking their fingers up their orifices that are normally only examined by a gynecologist.

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              • Joe Jericho

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Allison, I think you should ease up on Shanna. She is ok with it because Obama did it. Now, if Bush had been doing this, she probably would have torched something herself. It’s hard dealing with ideologues.

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              • Katiebug

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I’m not taking a side, simply pointing out holes in your argument.

                “Illegal searches and seizures” is not relevant to this case because of the Patriot Act. It’s law, whether fair or not.

                Nor is the “right to confront one’s accuser”. That’s in court, when you’re being tried for a crime. She did not make it that far into the judicial system because she was charges were not pressed and she was released. Again, fair or not, it is still law.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Thank you Katie. I did read in another post the changes that have been made in the interpretation of our Constitutional rights under the Patriot Act, and realize that that particular part of my argument is flawed.

                  I think the Patriot Act and it’s modifications of Constitutional rights is the real problem here, as well as the interpretation of that Act by the authorities involved.

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                • Johnathane Dorane

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  The patriot act can not make something that is unconstitutional suddenly acceptable under the constitution. To my knowledge this can only happen in one of two ways.

                  1) The one we are taught about in highschool government class is an amendment to the constitution itself. The patriot act is a law passed by the legislative branch and signed into law by the executive branch, not a constitutional amendment. Thus the patriot act does not change the constitutionality of these searches.

                  2) The second is through interpretation of the constitution by the Judicial branch. Parts of the Patriot act have already been deemed unconstitutional by the Judicial branch. I hope that Shoshana takes this to court, because I want to know for certain whether the detaining, strip-searching, and interrogation of the three people on this flight is deemed constitutional or not.

                  I fully expect Shoshana and the two others involved to be given substantial settlement offers with the condition that they do not challenge the constitutionallity of the detainment, searching, and interrogation.

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              • avery

                 /  September 14, 2011

                get a lawyer then — and let’s just see how far that gets you.
                can’t wait to see how that turns out!

                we get the ‘point’ alright…and it has nothing to do with freedoms.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  I’m not sure who you’re responding to. If the point isn’t freedom, then what is it, in your opinion?

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            • Stacy

               /  September 13, 2011

              Oh come on. You were once checked at an airport? You can’t relate to this woman. Unless you can say you were handcuffed, thrown in the back of a car, stripped searched, and fingerprinted- then you should shush. I am tired of people having no sympathy anymore.

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            • Iqbal

               /  September 14, 2011

              You Shanna have a heart of stone! Ms Shebshi has been thru an awful experience and yet you ask HER to grow up !! Are you real? Do you have peanuts in your brain?

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            • Marnie

               /  September 14, 2011

              Shanna, you apparently smoked way too much pot during your hippie days in San Francisco. You were probably too stoned to bother arguing, and the weed seems to have either dulled your sense of perception, stripped your ability to read, or vaporized your sense of empathy.
              Did you even read this post by Mrs. Hebshi? (Obviously not, because calling her ‘miss shebhi’ is too far off the mark for you to have actually understood what she wrote.) Furthermore, it occurs to me that the only relevance of your blonde hair, is the senseless comment you made. Rest up, get sober, and try again!

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            • Johnathane Dorane

               /  September 15, 2011

              Shanna, may I ask why you were checked for drugs at an airport. Was this at customs or the TSA. The mission statement of the TSA has nothing to do with drugs, unless they present a threat to airline safety. If you were checked specifically for drugs at a TSA checkpoint than that is a direct violation of your rights as it is not part of the executive search privlages granted to protect the traveling public. Instead it is a warentless and suspicionless search for evidence of a crime. This is expressely prohibited and a direct violation of the fourth amendment.

              I was also not aware that my freedoms are provided by authorities. I was under the impression that my freedoms were god given and unalianable. Or is that just what some old irrelevent document states. Perhaps if you spent some time edjucating yourself you would not believe that your rights and safety are entirely in the hands of authorities.

              To tell someone who was handcuffed, detained, strip-searched, and interrogated based on the suspicion of a few passengers and the flight crew to grow up is insensitive and selfish.

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        • B. Perry

           /  September 13, 2011

          Thanks Laura,
          Eric Hoffer, a longshoreman philosopher wrote a book called “True Believer” that studied the very question of how the people in Germany in the 1930s, the most well educated country in Europe could descend into becoming a nation of people that supported its Nazi government. The book is one of the best books I’ve ever read and if anyone wants to gain more understanding of why we as a nation have become what we have, this book offers some insights. Let’s hope we descend no further as that future, if it happens, will cause us to live through a greater real nightmare than we can imagine.

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        • Absolutely agree. It’s scary.

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        • JenRo

           /  September 13, 2011

          If only people could recognize this! Sadly there are very few things as powerfull as fear.

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        • Alice

           /  September 13, 2011

          Brilliant response, Laura, and my impressions as well. Thank you for posting. I believe you and Dallas have nailed it.

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        • Linda

           /  September 13, 2011

          Well said Laura …

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        • Concerned US Citizen

           /  September 14, 2011

          Spot on, Laura.

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        • Theobromine

           /  September 14, 2011

          Communist Rules For Revolution
          (Captured in Dusseldorf May, 1919, by the Allied Forces)
          ______________________________________________

          “A. Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.

          “B. Get control of all means of publicity and thereby;
          “1. Get people’s minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays and other trivialities.”
          “2. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.”
          “3. Destroy the people’s faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy.”
          “4. Always preach true democracy but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.”
          “5. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.”
          “6. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders, and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.”
          “7. By specious argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues: honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.”

          “C. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscating them and leaving the population helpless.”

          NOTE: “ The above “Rules for Revolution” were secured by the State Attorney’s office from a member of the Communist Party, who acknowledged it to be still a part of the Communist program for overthrowing our Government”

          George A. Brautigam
          State Attorney
          State of Florida

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          • Silly

             /  September 14, 2011

            Oh, that’s actually a completely fictional account. You can spot this because it’s written in the words an American trying to bash communists would use, not those a communist would use.

            No communist would use “natural ruler”, for example, because there is no “natural ruler”. In fact…no real democratic person would use the phrase, either, because there ARE no “natural rulers” in a democracy.

            So whoever wrote this most likely was a fascist or royalist. Good job eating up Nazi propaganda.

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        • You don’t even need to go to an example from outside of the USA for that. You can look back on WWII and what happened to the Americans of Japanese descent.

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        • Isla

           /  September 14, 2011

          Laura, so, so true. I do think the day is coming when we wake up and find
          “the muzzle in place, the chains permanently attached.” I believe we will see it within the next 30 years…the mechanisms are already in place, and we are either not seeing, or so scared that we are accepting.

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        • avery

           /  September 14, 2011

          wow! talk about an ‘over-reaction’!

          this woman was NOT arrested, her liberties were not limited and her rights were fully intact.

          if she really believes all that — then get a lawyer and let’s see what happens.

          i doubt very seriously, she will get far. (but hey — go for it!!!!)
          many of us, of ALL backgrounds have been through similar circumstances since 9-11 and respect and honor the work of Homeland Security.

          If some of you would actually learn how many horrific acts of terrorism have been thwarted since then — and how many thousands of lives have been saved — you would be singing a different tune.

          Oh…and let me guess. None of YOUR relatives had a full-bodied airliner smash into their office 10 years ago or had to choose between burning alive or jumping 85 stories to concrete below.
          Just a guess.

          (you may want to listen to betty ong’s 911 call from that day — just to get a taste of what she and so many others endured)

          How do you know not EVERY single passenger and flight attendant was concerned about these men and their behavior?
          Maybe this woman’s non-action when it was obvious to everyone else something was amiss….raised a red flag.

          The fact that THIS woman may have been doing EXACTLY what you seem to detest “sitting by and doing NOTHING” — while they very well could have been trying to blow up the plane — speaks volumes about your own bias.

          You see — it works BOTH ways — except sometimes — common sense (Thank God!) prevails.

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          • Allison

             /  September 14, 2011

            Please post links to stories of passengers of all ethnicities, especially ones that are different from Ms. Shebshi’s, being handcuffed, detained, strip searched, and interrogated for hours before being released.

            Please post some information about acts of terrorism that have been prevented with the use of these techniques. Surely there are some?

            Do not dishonor the 9/11 dead by invoking their names to justify the actions here. You cheapen their death by using them in that fashion.

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      • Gino

         /  September 13, 2011

        So very painfully true.

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      • Diane

         /  September 13, 2011

        In defense of the authorities, if it weren’t for them taking action when there is suspicion, we would probably have a LOT MORE terror in this country. Because people would KNOW, that we are too laid back and they could get away with terrorizing our country more than they do now. I’m sorry for what happened to Shoshana, but if it were me I would not have known that the authorities were just doing their jobs.

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        • Andrea

           /  September 13, 2011

          Diane, although I disagree with you, I would be willing to consider this argument if the “authorities” could provide a shred of evidence that this type of abuse of power and harassment of American citizens actually prevented real terrorism.

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          • Heywood

             /  September 13, 2011

            Why are you blaming “the authorities???” In this instance, they were simply RESPONDERS. It was the PASSENGERS ON THE PLANE who fingered that row of “suspicious looking characters”–the authorities were only acting on information they received. Would you prefer that the “authorities” ignore all reports, because some of them may have come from idiots who let their prejudices inform their decisions?

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              I would prefer that people responding to a report do what police officers do when they receive a report – ask many questions of the REPORTER to determine the validity of the report BEFORE questioning the accused. Cops don’t interrogate in this manner every single person against whom a report is made, and Homeland Security shouldn’t, either.

              And I would prefer the questioning not violate someone’s Constitutional right against unreasonable search and seizure, and the right for the accused to face his or her accuser.

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              • Erylin

                 /  September 13, 2011

                bravo

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              • Agreeing with Allison completely. Well stated.

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              • Lizabeth

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Well said Allison. While reading the original blog i imagined myself as her. If i am who i am now, but with darker skin, I would still want those basic protections. I wonder if this (my) country would still be like it is today if the attackers on 9/11 had been caucasian. just saying that we would be enraged that our mothers/daughters/sisters were being strip searched. And before people spout off on this about “they shouldnt come to this country”…neither should you or your ancestors…this country is meant for all and the way our government is running it now even native americans are being targeted and searched…they were here before ANY of us.

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              • Chance

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Allison, you are wrong. The crew and pilot had to make the decision that there might be suspicious activity on the plane. The cops going into that situation, of course would protect themselves and those onboard. Think about this….they are going into a plane blindly. If indeed there was a terrorist and they went to question them, do you think maybe the terrorist could have overpowered the cop? Now the terrorist has a gun and a plane and boom….everybody is dead and 9/11 is relived. Cops can detain you for whatever reason. It is charging unwrongfully is the problem. In this situation, no one was charged with a crime. It’s better to be safe than sorry. It is sad she had to go through this, but it was because of everybody’s paranoia aboard the plane. The authorities are not at fault.

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              • laars

                 /  September 13, 2011

                hey ally sometimes there isnt enough time to have dinner with everybody and ask questions like in a who dun-it movie. that day there were threats of “something” happening so the responders weren’t waiting.

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              • Mary

                 /  September 13, 2011

                You are so right.

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              • Naren

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Exactly. Did someone consider the plane had not blown up or hijacked yet? Hello, Good Morning? It did land safely even with those three brown terrorists conspiring all the time and two of them spending a little more time in the bathroom than usual (and returning back to their seats without guns or bombs in their hands) . Did these ‘Authorities’ consider nothing was done by anyon eto thwart their (our ‘terrosisits’) efforts, but just some ‘suspicious’ activity reported; so it cannot be ‘as’ serious?

                So even if this was reported, this could have been handled in a completely different way. There’s no point in subjecting them to such such cells and treatments. They have handed over their information to you, did not blow up the plan when they were sitting together and conspiring, so will not do it when they’re in your facility surrounded by all half the military. Do your investigation and treat them respectfully. If you say 50 such incidents were reported through the day, be mature enough to consider this could be another of those and handle it well!

                Hilarious, Foolish, Shameful!

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              • Gump

                 /  September 13, 2011

                I agree with this, as long as it’s possible, and in this case it was.

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              • Concerned US Citizen

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Indeed, Allison. When a magician performs a magic trick, they use some diversion so that peoples’ eyes don’t catch the magic in the trick. Maybe the accuser was diverting the attention off of themselves onto these three people. I think it only fair that the reporter should have been detained and interrogated, too, and also these three people need to be able to confront this accuser.

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                • avery

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  maybe this woman’s protesting is a “diversion” to what she was really up to.
                  So far, she’s been caught in a number of different lies.
                  (look up homeland security reports for december 2010 — what she said happened then – did not happen).
                  she admits her husband tried to bring a weapon on a plane and mocked security when they failed to find it.

                  she’s not very good at covering her motives. i’m sure it’s obvious to others, as well, which is why she will be targeted and followed for the rest of her life — THANK GOD!!

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              • avery

                 /  September 14, 2011

                you mean, like the “crew”? which includes the pilots and flight attendants?

                “after the CREW REPORTED that two people were spending “an extraordinarily long time” in a bathroom, Frontier spokesman Peter Kowalchuck said.”

                The CREW reported it – the CREW (not some “random” passengers) – the TRAINED CREW!

                you really need a LESSON in flight protocol and Homeland Security — you seem to be the ONLY person flying who doesn’t seem to understand that what the CREW SAYS goes…..no matter what.
                If you don’t like it — don’t fly.

                (you can always exercise you constitutional right to VOTE and lobby and get folks elected who share your belief — but something tells me you like to complain too much to actually do anything about what you like to complain about — an affliction many who have nothing better to do seem to have)

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                • Allison

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  Apparently the crew needs better training, since none of the 50 or so people identified as “acting suspiciously” on 9/11/11 (according to the reports I’ve read, and including Ms. Shebshi) were found to be guilty of anything.

                  I think there’s a middle ground between “the crew can say anything and they will be believed no matter what” and “nobody can report anything ever.” I would like to see that middle ground include having the crew making the report have to provide specific and reasonable grounds for their suspicions, grounds that are more concrete than “I thought he was in the bathroom too long.”

                  I have voted in every federal, state, and local election since I was 18. I also frequently lobby for political causes and candidates that share my beliefs. But then again, I don’t have to justify my beliefs or my participation in this discussion to anyone, including you.

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            • Val

               /  September 13, 2011

              Thank you! Now that actually makes sense.

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            • Dave

               /  September 14, 2011

              And it was the pilot who called in the “army” after being notified of the suspicions. The pilot is in complete charge of the aircraft, if the pilot says you don’t fly then you don’t fly.

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          • Tom Lange

             /  September 13, 2011

            Unfortunately, history suggests that it does. Not that I defend it, or believe it, but the camps that Asian Americans were put into on the West Coast-were done to prevent an attack. They can look back and say: “It worked, didn’t it?”

            People defend the atrocity that is the Patriot Act, and argue that we haven’t had any terrorist attacks since, and reason that Bush did a good job…

            -Of course, the number of terrorist attacks in this country is so small that it makes a 10 year window completely meaningless. Some people will find meaning it it, however…

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            • Joe Jericho

               /  September 14, 2011

              The ironic thing with this is that as the 2012 election gets closer, the Obama supporters will make the same argument about “keeping the country safe”. We are screwed by both parties on this point. :(

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          • Shelly

             /  September 13, 2011

            For one thing, No one can prevent terrorism but the proof is in the pudding to coin a phrase…We have had ZERO terrorists attacks since 9/11 because of the publics awareness & reports coupled with our Authorities responding quickly & thoroughly! So you must consider this argument by your own words. The world has changed and ignoring evil isn’t an option, our Government has the obligation to Protect ALL of its citizens. So “For the greater good” becomes one of thee most important points for all of us to remember and understand. With this information I hope our government learns from this incident and improves the system for our civil rights and our protection too.

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        • Ian

           /  September 13, 2011

          Actually, that’s quite backward and wrong.

          See, the purpose of terrorism is to cause exactly this. “Terrorism” isn’t about killing people — it’s about terrorizing. That’s why it’s called “terrorism” and not “killing-people-ism.”

          Killing people is a means to an end. The end is to destroy a society, by breaking down the rule of law and social contract. And we do this better than any other nation on Earth. We’ve gone from a light unto the nations, a place which may not have always done the right thing, but was always on the right path, to a place that is an example of a police state, a cautionary tale to other nations. And why? Because we have reacted in exactly the way that al Qaeda was hoping.

          In doing so, we’ve proven that we are a PERFECT target for terrorism. A terrorist who attacks the United States gets EXACTLY the goal they want: a repressive, over-zealous, fascist security force which destroys the freedom and liberty that this country once had.

          Once upon a time, people thought that “freedom” was a thing that you were willing to risk your life to fight for. This country was founded on the notion that you had to risk your security to guarantee your freedom — and that that is a bargain well worth making.

          Now? We trade in all our freedom for a tiny bit of security, the act of a craven coward. And we harm other people in the process.

          I am ashamed to be a citizen of a country where three people could be detained like that, because someone was afraid. Terrorism requires people to be terrified.

          And the people who are terrified are craven. And willing to harm their fellow citizens because of their own terror.

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          • TheCrapMan

             /  September 13, 2011

            Ian,

            A perfect take on the situation.

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          • Ralph Baker

             /  September 13, 2011

            Ian, If you are ashamed to be an American Citizen, You have the right to LEAVE on the next thing smokin`. I don`t agree with a lot of what happened in Detroit and I also have no solution to offer. Our lives as Americans have changed considerably in the last 10 years. I will still stand behind the troops and my Commander -in -Chief, whom I diagree with on many levels, because it is my Duty as an American to do so. I have rights and Freedoms due to the every day Heroism of the troops that protect me. If your ashamed, find a Country that you can contribue to and get on the next flight. You will not be missed.

            R.B.

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          • Michele W.

             /  September 13, 2011

            Very good observation about the cost of freedom, I may just have to repost that!

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          • Glenn

             /  September 13, 2011

            I Put my mom, my sister or daughter in this position and I am horrified! !
            I am a 4th generation American, and what ever words this poor helpless scared women used about redneks and beer bellies in venting, was in far better taste than I would use. WE THE PEOPLE are terrorizing our own people

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          • JenRo

             /  September 13, 2011

            couldnt say it better myself! really.

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          • ian,

            Extremely well articulated and very accurate, in my opinion. I am ashamed of what happened to Soshana and what she had to endure. The Patriot Act is unpatriotic and those who deny this are looking at the world with blinders on. Something is not better than nothing if any crackpot or bigot can see to it that innocent citizens are stripped of their rights in the name of security. We are no more secure, merely a terrorized nation that has failed to learn from history. Many of these comments make it obvious that too many of us consider propaganda fact.

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          • Lara

             /  September 13, 2011

            Well said, Ian. Very well said. I particularly like the distinction between “terrorism” – causing terror, and “killing-people-ism” – causing the death of people. When did we decide that our freedoms, as Americans, weren’t worth it anymore?

            I am so sorry about what happened, to you Ms. Hebshi, and to the many others whose stories have not been told. I am reminded of this poetic quote by the German Pastor Martin Niemoller:

            First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out–
            because I was not a communist;
            Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out–
            because I was not a socialist;
            Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out–
            because I was not a trade unionist;
            Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
            because I was not a Jew;
            Then they came for me–
            and there was no one left to speak out for me.

            …and I wonder, as Americans sixty years later, who are the groups we silently watch be persecuted? Are we asking ourselves ‘who will be left when they come for me?’ In closing, I ask, when will we, as a collective conscience for America, find our voice and remember when freedom came with a price?

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          • Thank you Ian. Well said.

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          • Mister Aloha

             /  September 14, 2011

            One question to all you that feel America was wrong (searching Shebhi) did any of you loose a family or friend in the 9-11 tragedy? Did all those people ask to die the way the did? NO! I am sorry she had to go through that, but like she said herself, “I won’t be flying on 9-11 any more.”
            Hello?! It’s the 10th anniversary and she wonder’s why? They were on heightened security…..what does that mean to you??? There was evidence that there were plans to do something on the anniversary??!! Hello?! You folks seem NOT to be listening. A thief but comes in the night. If you knew when the thief was coming, then no more burglaries….If we knew when terrorist was going to hit, no problem……but we don’t so we have to be very cautious……..I am truly sorry this happended to you (Shebhi) but this is not the seventies or sixties…we are at WAR! We need to keep ALL Americans safe from harm……our military is over seas to keep us safe and to keep our freedom…..FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!

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            • Johnathane Dorane

               /  September 16, 2011

              Mister Aloha,

              I did not loose a friend or family member on 9-11, but I did loose one in Oklahoma City. Does that give me credibility? Now I have some questions for you.

              Did the unwarented detainment of Shebhi bring back any of the lives that were lost on 9/11?

              Did the unwarented strip search of Shebhi reveal any evidence that will stop a future terrorist attack?

              Did the unwarrented interrogation of Shebhi provide any information that will lead to the dissruption of future terrorist plots?

              Did the fingerprinting of Shebhi reduce the risk of a future terrorist attack?

              Is it your opinion that only people who lost a loved one on 9/11 have any say on the matter of national security?

              If you are to scared to get on a plane without having the SS watch over anything, then you can drive, take a bus or train, or even walk. After all, flying is not a right.

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          • Concerned US Citizen

             /  September 14, 2011

            Good thoughts, Ian.

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          • Tony

             /  September 14, 2011

            Ian two thumbs up, you are on point.

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          • Joe Jericho

             /  September 14, 2011

            Well done, Ian. Again, not sure if we would agree on much politically, who knows, but this is pretty much spot on.

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          • Silly

             /  September 14, 2011

            “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.” -Benjamin Franklin.

            Not that people who argue for racial profiling and abusing people who aren’t white will aknowledge this guy. Clearly, Franklin was an arab terrorist in disguise!

            The one nation on earth that reacted well to terrorism was norway. Scores of people dead: No fascist laws passed.

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          • jen

             /  September 14, 2011

            sooooooo over-thought.

            few people are ‘terrorized’ here that i know of. I fly all the time and don’t feel at all “terrorized”. no one I know feels “terrorized”

            What I do feel….is SAFE!

            I feel FREE and GRATEFUL to be an American and have an abundance of freedoms.

            I’m grateful for the security we have in place — i’ve been singled out, too (searches, extra security, etc….and i’m not being profiled…i’m being screened. see, i’m not biased in my own thinking)

            I consider it a minor inconvenience…..as there are MORE important things in life….like….LIVING!
            (and not being bogged down by over-analyzing flight security).

            This was a one-off occurrence (and it happened on the 10th anniversary of 9-11) and the flight crew acted out of an abundance of caution -
            i hardly consider ONE time in TEN years being “terrorized” by fear.

            sheesh!!

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            • Allison

               /  September 14, 2011

              Searches and extra security are not the equivalent of being handcuffed and removed from a plane, detained for hours without communication, strip searched (and likely cavity searched, based on Ms Shebshi’s statements), and interrogated. That is not a minor inconvenience. It does not matter that this “only” happened once to Ms. Shebshi, since racial profiling is not acceptable.

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        • Diane, I agree with you, it is necessary . If the plane would have been blown up the families of the dead would be very upset and screaming bloody murder, so if you don’t like it don’t fly

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            Surrendering our Constitutional rights to the fear of a bigoted minority is not the answer.

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            • Shelly

               /  September 13, 2011

              Everyone forgets, Flying is NOT a constitutional right, it is optional! If you dont like the security requirements, then don’t fly. But as soon as the Government fails to see something coming or the citizens just believe they didnt do enough after a disaster (ie: Katrina) then everyone is up in arms complaining, calling for congressional witch hunts and wanting the government to answer/pay for its mistakes! Since the very beginning of this Republic, the founding fathers DID delegate the responsibility of Defense & Security to our Government! Our Government was not sopose to be in the business of feeding, housing and taking care of its citizens, those are individual, community & local responsibilities! But Defense and Security is solely the Governments responsiblity!

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            • John

               /  September 13, 2011

              At no point were Constitutional rights ever surrendered. When you board an airplane, you are agreeing to the terms and conditions the airlines have described on the back of the ticket. Flying is not a right, it is a privilege. There is nothing in the bill of rights that says every person in America has the right to fly commercial.

              It is a simple decision for anyone to make, if you do not agree with the measures the airline security and authorities are allowed to take then DO NOT FLY COMMERCIAL.

              Also, unfortunately you can not pick a different airline, because every carrier has to conform to the same rules set out by the different Government organizations.

              To that end, I do not ever want to be singled out like Shoshana was. It is degrading and humiliating. But, let us be honest with ourselves. How many times have you thought that a package looked suspicious? Or that somehow that person looked suspicious in your neighborhood? These are reactions that we have been taught to think, because they are healthy for human preservation.

              We can sit here and argue about whether the assumptions of the crew of the airplane were warranted or not. But what it really comes down to is the question of whether the Pros outweigh the Cons. The crew cannot be afraid to make decisions like this when the entire plane is at risk.

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            • Dave

               /  September 14, 2011

              so if you don’t like it don’t fly

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              • Allison

                 /  September 14, 2011

                That is also not the answer.

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                • jen

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  so…if you don’t like it….change it.

                  you won’t, because you know you are wrong.

                  (or maybe for you…it’s too easy to complain)

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                  • Allison

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Actually, I believe I am right, and I vote and participate in the political process in order to attempt to change it.

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          • Floyd

             /  September 13, 2011

            Don’t you think that if these people were going to blow the plane up they would have done it before they were yanked off of the plane? Why go to all the trouble to board an airplane with an explosive, only to be detained after the flight lands and is quarantined? The time to stop a terrorist is not after the plane lands. Terrorists may not be entitled to legal representation, but these people were. Being suspected of something, no matter how evil, does not trump the Constitutional rights and protections that were violated on that day. The people running this country are idiots.

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          • Finisterre

             /  September 13, 2011

            I suspect, Sally, that if you had been hauled off a plane, arrested and strip-searched because someone thought you’d gone to the toilet a few too many times, you would be ‘very upset and screaming bloody murder’ about your Constitutional rights, not concluding that ‘not flying’ was a sensible response.

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          • “Baaaaaa! Baaaaaaa!”

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          • Steve Bock

             /  September 13, 2011

            Sally,

            I hope that you are “detained” for our general and unspecified safety in the near future. Might give you some perspective on the supposed necessity of false arrest, unlawful detention, and criminal mistreatment.

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          • “if you don’t like it don’t fly” = terrorism wins again. This process is the wrong way to go about offering any protection from terrorism. If American citizens can be detained for hours, strip searched, apparently body cavity searched, and questioned without probable cause other than the word of another person who is suspect of their activities, then terrorism can chalk up another goal. At the very least, they should have a search warrant for the strip search and body cavity search.
            What did they expect to find on these people who had already been through the TSA checkpoint before they got onto the plane.
            Detaining a suspected person AFTER their flight has landed is very poor and very late security. If they were going to do something, don’t you think the misdeed would already have been accomplished?
            I’m all for profiling before people get into a plane and before the flight, Pull anyone aside that stands out from the profiling and question them further. I am against the current TSA and Homeland Security policies that are in place right now. In my opinion, the authorities here have trashed the Constitution with their processes for trying to find any would be terrorists.

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          • David

             /  September 13, 2011

            The plane had already landed at its destination, so I don’t get where you’re going with that assumption. What’s necessary is for the authorities to actually conduct an investigation into the accusations, and not assume that the reports are accurate just because you have some people who don’t appear the way someone believed Americans should look. The threat was long over once the flight had landed. That was the time to test the veracity of the accuser, not ramp up the violations of the rights of those accused with what we now know was no basis in fact. I’m betting that if this were you, you’d have a very different take on one surrendering their civil rights for the sake of the unsubstantiated accusations of others.

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          • Jess

             /  September 14, 2011

            If you require human rights violations in order to help you feel more comfortable, it is YOU who shouldn’t fly.

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        • redheadwglasses

           /  September 13, 2011

          Dear Diane,

          We don’t need more people like you in this country. Kindly leave. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

          Love,
          Reasonable people who aren’t xenophobes

          p.s. not every non-white is a “foreigner.” True story.

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          • Joe

             /  September 13, 2011

            Is this what the face of tolerant liberalism looks like, redheadwglasses? You don’t agree with me, so leave? You’re a “xenophobe,” so leave so that we can have a uninformly tolerant society?

            I think Diane was making a reasonable point, and that point is that sometimes a vigorous response is necessary to prevent violence, save lives and protect public servants. This isn’t always the case, and invariably mistakes are made and it takes too long to sort out that everything is okay. In the meantime, innocent people are inconvenienced, even scared. That’s something we should strive to eliminate but can never totally end in a world in which there are bad and good people who can be mistaken for one another in the heat of a moment.

            Someone else said in this post that when police respond to a complaint, they ask questions of the complaintaint first before questioning the suspect, and in a situation in which there is clearly no threat to the officer or the public, this is certainly the case. But if an officer is summoned to a scene in which a reasonable person, lacking first-hand context, could construe poses an imminent threat of violence, I can assure you the officer will secure the suspect and perhaps even the complaintant until he or she can sort out what’s really going on.

            It’s well established law, and common sense, that police have the right and in many cases the responsibility to secure and restrain suspects for their own safety and that of the public, the suspect and any victims.

            So I’m not going to get very riled up about this. Why? Because our system is better than *their* system, as flawed as it may be.

            In our system, we investigate facts and release detained individuals with an apology and a ride back to their car.

            In other systems, don’t have the freedom to live Tweet their detention on suspicion of terrorism, suspects are beaten mercilessly until they confess to crimes they did not commit, are simply charged and convicted in sham show trials or summarily executed without so much as consideration of guilt or innocence merely because they are come from the “wrong” part of the world or believe in the “wrong” God. These things happen here, too, but they are the exception, not the rule.

            Our system is not perfect. It bears the constant vigilance of an educated citizenry to prevent the inevitable excesses of power from gaining irreversible hold on our freedoms. And it must be protected from the paranoid and misinformed imaginings of a terrified people.

            But our system of law enforcement and justice does not deserve to be villified and pilloried for responding and investigating and coming to a reasonable and lawful conclusion that no laws were broken, for apologizing for causing an inconvience and for releasing a detained individual as quickly as possible.

            This incident, as frightening and instructive as it is for both the writer and law enforcement (and there are lessons for both), is not indicative of a system run amok, but is rather evidence that ours is a system in which laws, not the prejudices of men, ultimately triumph.

            I’m sorry for the writer’s inconveniences, and I’d like to think I’m wordly enough that I would not have mistaken the innocent bathroom habits of two foreigners for a mortal threat.

            But it’s hard for me to say exactly how I might respond when, 35,000 feet in the sky, with the ominous warnings of a credible terrorist threat issued by my democratically elected government thundering in my head, I am faced something out of the ordinary as the sweet face of my 4-year-old son and my wife flash through my mind.

            I’m sorry for the inconvience and fear this woman and these two gentlemen suffered. In a perfect world, I’d wish it on no one. At the same time, I can’t fault the public servants who also just wanted to go home to their own families and who apparently worked diligently to clear these individuals and send them on their way.

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        • Maybe, but this is merely conjecture on your part without foundation? What if everyone on every plane points a finger at each other everywhere? So does it make it right for everyone to be strip searched all over this country? What I’m saying is someone falsely stated that “suspicious activity” was taking place when this was not the case by this ladies statements here which seem very valid. It does have the appearance of being tied to skin color which is profiling and that is wrong. Did they strip search the person that made those statements? This could amount to a hate crime. They clearly landed the plane without incident right??? Did a strip search have to be conducted over less measures that would prove her innocence? Its clear she was guilty by the strip search and not being givin’ information about why she was being taken from the getgo.
          I’m somewhat surprised at your answer but I’ll bet you haven’t been stripped searched without being given a reason why. When it happens to you, you’ll know how this woman felt.

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        • Jim R

           /  September 13, 2011

          Detention and strip searches based on accusation and innuendo. Hmmmm… we’re reverting back to the Salem Witch Trial days, or so it would seem.

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        • Sorry, Diane – but we do have a lot of terrorism in this country, the majority of it domestic terrorism carried out with handguns.

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        • Liz

           /  September 13, 2011

          Really, Diane? Really? If we didn’t strip-search innocent CITIZENS for NO REASON, we’d have more terror attacks? Can you point me to some information that says that the naked photos and genital groping that we are subject to every time we fly has actually caught would-be terrorists? ‘Cause so far TSA hasn’t advertised anything about actually stopping terrorists. Your reaction is EXACTLY the proof that the terrorists have won, because you would be just fine with being imprisoned and strip-searched for no reason. They have won because people like you think it is OK to subject innocent people to such degradation. They have won because you are OK with the fact that we have lost our freedoms in the name of “security.”

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        • Whilst I agree that others who may have ideas about committing acts of terrorism may be discouraged due to the heavy security activities that have been active for the last decade, I do think that this is the only way in which terrorism is thwarted by this system.
          I am reasonably sure that she should have at least been responded to before she was taken to the security office and been informed why she was being detained by the police in handcuffs. Pretty sure everyone has the right to have the answer to that.
          I am an Aussie and something I find interesting is that when we go to the the airport I always seem to be “randomly” targeted for bomb or illegal substance testing (for anyone that does not have this it is a non-evasive procedure where they simply rub some cloth over your hands, clothes and lining of your bag and test it). I am the furthest thing from “suspicious” you can imagine, I have asked why I always seem to be approached for this, mostly I am just told it is random. Then my friend started dating a guy that works for customs and he said it is because I look non-threatening, like I wouldn’t make a fuss and that they are discouraged from approaching people of Arab appearance or women wearing cultural clothing as it might cause an incident of accusations of racism. Interesting!!! They would rather not cause a scene and risk a bomb getting on the plane all for a simple swab test. This was around the same time that an informant let the police know that they believed a person dressed in a burqa would conceal explosives under the garment and would target a “hub” in Sydney city.
          I am so so sorry for what happened to you, it was just WRONG, plain and simple. You have every right to feel violated and I hope that the support of your friends and family helps you through this time.

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        • There apparently has developed a fine line between “preventing terrorism” by acting from suspicion, and perpetrating said same in the name of protection from suspicion. I think we as Americans must be just as vigilant against the erosion of our rights and freedoms as we are against the terrorists who try to do great damage to our country. Otherwise, we will end up doing their work for them. I believe Shoshana’s experience was a terribly unfortunate example of the authorities accomplishing just that. Those of us who are, or who look, white, are not inclined to reflect back on our history at what the authorities have considered to be meet and seemly behavior, “just doing their jobs”. Ask one of our Native American or African American (and there are other groups as well) what “acting on suspicion” meant to them. Ask an African American today what “Driving While Black” means to them. How we strike the balance is an extremely difficult thing. But the “LOT MORE” terror in this country could start to come from those very authorities in whose hands we place way too much room for interpretation. Sitting idly by, in the name of “the authorities were just doing their jobs” and watching the Shoshanas of our American family be mistreated is unacceptable. Where do you propose we draw the line for that?

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        • Penny

           /  September 13, 2011

          I agree. Maybe if they had done this 10 years ago we wouldn’t have lost thousands of people to a senseless act. Unfortunately terrorists don’t wear a sign saying they are a terrorist and the authorities have to guess. It’s sad because even women and children can be a terrorist among the radical groups. I’m sorry Shoshana had to experience this but it was for the safety of thousands. We are not disturbed by events but by the view we take of the events.

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          • Yoko

             /  September 14, 2011

            I don’t think what happened to this innocent woman kept anyone safe. I don’t see how violating the rights of innocent Americans keeps people from being killed. I guess I’m just confused.

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          • Concerned US Citizen

             /  September 14, 2011

            I think you are missing a big fact here, Penny. Shoshana did not do anything that even hinted at probable cause, besides the parents she chose. How did you choose your parents, Penny?

            Hitler wanted to get rid of all dark people, too. You know, it’s all about color and how people act. Just ask Timothy McVeigh.

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          • Johnathane Dorane

             /  September 16, 2011

            Maybe if they had waited until the plane landed safely, directed it to move away from the terminal after it had already been there, boarded the plane with a SWAt team, and detained three people who had not done aything related to terrorism. I guess it would have worked if the criminals on 9/11 had decided to forget their plan and allow the plane to land safely. Of course, if they did that then they would not have committed any crime as the possesion of box cutters was not against the rules of flying at that time.

            “Unfortunately terrorists don’t wear a sign saying they are a terrorist and the authorities have to guess.”

            Are you really comfortable with the authorities simply guessing as a reason to detain, strip-search, interrogate, and fingerprint random people?

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          • Johnathane Dorane

             /  September 16, 2011

            It took me a minute to grasp the implications of your statement, so I will have to post a second time.

            “Unfortunately terrorists don’t wear a sign saying they are a terrorist and the authorities have to guess.”

            since terrorist are criminals I can change that one word and the meaning changes.

            Unfortunately criminals don’t wear a sign saying they are a criminals and the authorities have to guess.

            So if an authority guesses I am a murderer, I get hauled in, strip searched, interrogated, fingerprinted, and if this produces no evidence against me released with an appology. No probable cause required?

            So if an authority guesses I am a theif, I get hauled in, strip searched, interrogated, fingerprinted, and if this produces no evidence against me released with an appology. No probable cause required?

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        • Chris

           /  September 13, 2011

          amen to that

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        • thankful

           /  September 13, 2011

          So happy to see someone else agreed with the opinion I had

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        • Alice

           /  September 13, 2011

          Diane, it is a matter of HOW action is taken. I agree with Scojam that this is a systematic process by which we are gradually desensitized into compliance for our “safety”. There are ways to interrogate or question people that do not violate their rights as US citizens.

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        • i agree diane! tough shit! these people are doing their jobs, and I’m thankful for it. if it were me I would be grateful that they were on alert, and not be whining about security measures put in place to protect the American people! if you don’t like it, then next time drive!!!

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          • blb

             /  September 13, 2011

            Tb, you would never be in the situation that Shoshana was in–I’m guessing you are Caucasian). And security measures are not effective if they violate human rights.

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          • Joe

             /  September 14, 2011

            TB, the problem is that they were NOT doing their jobs CORRECTLY!
            They abused their discretion and I’m willing to bet that if Shoshana were to consult with an Attorney, she will be successful in suing the Agents involved.

            Perhaps, everytime I do a car stop for someone going through a stop sign, I should immediately pull them out of their car, search them, handcuff them, take them back to the station and strip search them. After all, they do present a threat to me, since I have to approach the car and I don’t know if they are armed with a weapon or not.

            The people on the airplane at the very least have gone through a magnatometer to check them for weapons. Their bags were at the very least x-rayed. Their carry on was x-rayed as well so the probability that the people on the airplane having a weapon is extremely low.

            On the other hand, the people that I pull over, have not been searched. Not knowing if they have a weapon can be freightening.

            I think from now on, anyone going through a traffic light, stop sign or speeding will immediately be hadcuffed and strip searched to ensure my safety. At least the people I will be strip searching have done something wrong unlike Shoshana who was just sitting in her seat and minding her own business. I wonder how long I will be keeping my job? Gee, do you think TSA would hire me? I will be an experienced searcher!

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          • VoiceOfReason

             /  September 14, 2011

            And when more people start driving due to the inconveniences of flying, the terrorists will start using car bombs.

            What then? Military checkpoints between states? Required travel plans to be filed with the National Transportation Safety Board, under their newly expanded powers via the Anti-vehicular Terror Act?

            And then when that fails to curb car bombs, what then? Strip search at public parking facilities?

            “Vere Are Your Papers?”

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          • VoiceOfReason

             /  September 14, 2011

            Right. So when the terrorists finally decide that flying is too much of a hassle, and that they’ve won that front, the car bombings will start.

            What then? Military checkpoints at all state borders? Travel plans filed between states with the National Transportation Safety Board, using it’s newly expanded powers under the Anti-vehicle Terrorism Act?

            Where does it end? “Vere Are Your Papers?”

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        • Ketil

           /  September 14, 2011

          Because, as we all know, there are no other ways of conducting terror than blowing up an airplane, after it has parked, on the ground, at its destination.

          It isn’t possible to buy an automatic rifle, and kill dozens of people at a political youth camp, nor to blow up subway systems, trains, or simply run a lot of people over with a car?

          Are you seriously suggesting that confiscating toothpaste at airports deters or prevents any of this? Is fertilizer only sold from the trolley aboard aircrafts in your country? If not, why aren’t we seeing a lot more terrorism? Where are all the suicide bombers?

          The fact is that, in spite of the wars incited by America and it allies that have cost half to a million (mostly muslim) lives, there are very, very few people eager to sacrifice themselves in terrorist attacks, and approximately nobody with the means and faculties to pull off anything more than an IED in their own Iraqi or Afghan neighborhood.

          All of the so-called security is part paranoia, and part theater for the paranoid.

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        • Torus

           /  September 15, 2011

          It’s becoming clear to me that the public at large may not even know what “terror” means. Terror is fear. Terrorists attempt to make people fearful. Killing people is simply a means to an end, not the end result.

          This country is terrified of being “terrorized”, so it just accepts these heightened security measures and subtractions of our inalienable rights without assuming anything bad will come of it, and also support the waging of a war against an idea (what in the world is a “war on terror”, anyway?).

          By definition of “terror”, there is a LOT of it in this country. We are terrified of something that has little chance of actually happening when the serious threat in this country is an accident on the freeway. And, in this respect, al-Qaeda has succeeded.

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      • Dr. "K"

         /  September 13, 2011

        Amen to that Dallas…

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      • John

         /  September 13, 2011

        So, this is the land of the free and the home of the brave?

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        • Liz

           /  September 13, 2011

          Not any more, especially given that so many people are posting here that the authorities and the idiot who reported “suspicious” behavior did the right thing and are protecting us from evil.

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        • Ken

           /  September 14, 2011

          More like the land of the willingly oppressed and home of the chicken. Which, I take it, is your point. Liberty is not for lily-livered sheep who are all too eager to surrender freedom for a (false) sense of security.
          But this does not mean the terrorists have won, as some have suggested. Rather, it means that we have met the enemy–and he is us (apologies to Walt Kelly). Or, as was famously said at another time, in the face of a different sort of threat, “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.” Seems like a lot of people have forgotten that lesson.

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        • Concerned US Citizen

           /  September 14, 2011

          Not anymore.

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      • penny

         /  September 13, 2011

        maybe if authoritites acted like this on the true 9/11 – 9/11 would of never of happened – hats off to the authoritites for protecting us -

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      • Steven

         /  September 13, 2011

        I think that what happened to Shoshana is absolutely horrible. It is very unfortunate that she had to go through such a traumatic and embarrassing event. However, I do believe that our governments security tactics since 9/11/2001, no matter how potentially unfair they have been, have been largely successful in protecting our country from further terrorist attacks in the 10 years since 9/11.

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        • Johnathane Dorane

           /  September 16, 2011

          “traumatic and embarrassing event”

          Is that another way of saying terrorising event?

          “I do believe that our governments security tactics since 9/11/2001, no matter how potentially unfair they have been, have been largely successful in protecting our country from further terrorist attacks in the 10 years since 9/11.”

          Do you have any evidence of this? Which aspects of the “governments security tactics” have been so successful? I am open to changing my view if presented with new information, so please provide support for you opinion in the form of facts and data.

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      • Gopal

         /  September 13, 2011

        well said.

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      • Don Barnhart

         /  September 13, 2011

        And what if dangerous items were found? How would you feel then?
        Myself I would be glad the airlines reacted.

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      • Bob A.

         /  September 13, 2011

        It’s funny how people were not so suspicious of 20 something, white, anglo, christian men after the Oklahoma City bombing. That murderer killed hundreds of men, women, and children, but the residual racist paranoia was not there. The matter is that the media, through their use of such phrases as “Islamic Extremists” caused this sort of paranoia. Why did they not refer to McVey as “Anglo-Christian Extremist”? It is tag lines like this that lead folks to the kind of paranoia profiling that will probably be around for a long time. It is also the reason that young afro-americans cannot walk down the street at night, without someone crossing the street to get away from them. I don’t believe that we are all racists. But, unfortunately, “we are what we hear”.

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      • You are absolutely right. We will win the war against terrorism when our lives return back to what they were on September 10, 2001 and when the Homeland Security and TSA ceases to exist. Till that day we have not won the war.

        Best wishes,

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      • laars

         /  September 13, 2011

        so dallas i guess wait for the explosion to figure out whats going on?

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      • rohlik

         /  September 13, 2011

        the woman who was detained waa unfortunate incident, and she complained about racial profiling but at the same time talked about fat woman and men policeman that were rednecks, is this profiling?????? absouletly, we are so very luck we live in the best country in the world and people who are not comfortable here should leave.

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        • Hue

           /  September 13, 2011

          What’s wrong with describing someone? Did she said being fat was an awful thing? I don’t think so. I think you are insecure with yourself-like maybe you are fat?

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        • Yoko

           /  September 14, 2011

          Maybe she did throw them into a stereotypical category based on what they looked like, but did she call “the authorities” on them and cause them to be subjected to the humiliation she went through? No. So, it’s probably not fair to call her a hypocrite. Also, I’ll bet she was in the worst mood of her life so I’ll say a little name calling is okay in this situation. And are you suggesting that innocent, decent American citizens whose rights are grossly violated and thereby made “uncomfortable” (an understatement in my opinion), should leave the country that they have a constitutional right to be in because they are unhappy with that kind of treatment? Interesting. Also, she didn’t say anything about hating America or what it should stand for. She just didn’t want to take the abuse she suffered at the hands of paranoid bigots lying down. And by paranoid bigots, I mean the ones who called in the authorities.

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        • Concerned US Citizen

           /  September 14, 2011

          I think her reply was restrained. She was way too polite in her description of them. You do realize this just happened to her? I would still be too angry about it to even post such a nice reply as she has posted.

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        • Joe Jericho

           /  September 14, 2011

          She said she was an American, should she leave? Should she go to her father’s homeland and be abused by Saudi men and the Saudi legal system? I agree with your point that she seemed to be engaging in the same behavior she accused them of, but she doesn’t have any power; whereas, those government scum used their power to torment and make her life very difficult. Personally, I don’t think race is the dispositive factor here, but I think she is justified in thinking it may have played a roll and for throwing some anger towards those who did it to her. I can get past that. Can you, or do you want to play a gotchya game with the victim? Perhaps it was her own fault that she got raped. Geez….

          Also, you may want to look up the word immutable.

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      • Matt

         /  September 13, 2011

        There are those of you who live under this dilusion of peace and understanding through tolerance and love. Then there are those of us who live with the reality of violence and hate on a level that you will hopefully never experience.
        While inconvenient, what happened to the author probably saved lives. These searches and detentions aren’t designed solely to harass the many tribes of the desert. They are designed to detect and DETER suspicious and criminal activity. Reluctantly I feel obligated to mention also that 9/11 was not the only terrorist attack on the U.S. perpetrated by brown skinned individuals who happened to speak Arabic and read the Qur’an. With that said my sympathies are slim to the “racial profiling” problem that we (us redneck, speedboat driving, country music listeners) have. While noticing a car full of white kids in their early 20′s driving slowly through a known drug area may seem like “profiling” to you, to me it seems like college kids trying to score some weed. (marijuana is still illegal in most states by the way)
        Everyone here is free to say whatever we like on any forum we choose. We are also free to practice whatever brand of God we choose, just not at school or work or anywhere anybody who hears or sees you doing it will be offended.(this means all you middle class gun toting republican types) All of these freedoms have been provided to you. I say provided because the majority of you have never appreciated the men and women who have been keeping the wolf away from your doorstep for all these years. Most of you have not served in the military, or gotten ready for work in the morning hoping that at the end of your shift you would still be alive. Neither have you given any thought to how many holidays, childrens birthdays and other hours upon hours these public servants sacrifice to keep your basic human freedoms alive. It is this last reason that makes me less sympathetic to the inconvenience of a few hours of questioning and the humiliation of a strip search.
        Before i climb back on my unicorn and ride off in to my world of kittens and jelly beans let me leave you with another thought. Somewhere in everyone’s not so distant past, an ancester of ours thought it wise to leave what ever shithole, third-world country they were born in to come to America to find a better life. If you feel that they were mistaken, and that we are “getting it all wrong”. By all means travel to what ever land you were descended from. I assure you……..You Will Come Back. (if they dont cut your head off on al jazeera you infidel)

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      • Mac

         /  September 13, 2011

        10 years is not too long ago. 20 years will be a ceremony instead of a memorial and all will forget what happen. The Terrorists never forget and will be patient enough for the “Americans” to let their guard down. Then, they will strike again. It’s a lose-lose situation no matter what the outcome. Had there been a real terrorist threat and the reaction was not the same, then everyone would be furious for letting something happen. Lucky for us all, there was no terrorist threat and everyone is safe and alive. Protocols have to be in place for protection. Does it suck for some? Yes. Was it racial in nature? Debatable. Wrong place wrong time with suspicious people sitting next to you. Nothing will ever be perfect and some “feelings” will be hurt. No matter how many rules/regulations are put in place there will be loopholes and a terrorist organization WILL find them. America is full of people who only know the “American Life” and have no clue to what is going on outside It’s borders (other than what the media want’s them to know). There are many cultures out there that would kill every American just because they don’t live the same culture. They don’t “love” and “care” like the American culture. There is no “talking them out of it” just like they can’t “talk you into it”. It’s OK to be paranoid. Just don’t be stupid about it. I’m not writing to offend. Just to shed a little reality. I only posted to the first post I saw.

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        • Johnathane Dorane

           /  September 16, 2011

          “Wrong place wrong time with suspicious people sitting next to you.”

          Suffering from air sickness is susspicious behavior?
          What is the acceptable time limit for going to the lavatory of an airplane?
          Please clarify what the suspicious behavior was.

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      • Peter R

         /  September 13, 2011

        Thanks to Shoshana and all the comments for revealing this appalling incident. I wonder what the stories of the other “50 incidents” are. In this case, it is frightening that the suspicions/paranoia of some unidentified person could trigger such abuse of innocent people–and that some would say, well, that’s just post-9/11 life for you. Why is it that “law enforecement personnel had to be so rough and rude with no evidence other than the unknown “accusor’s” accusation? I feel humiliated and ashamed by their behavior, and I apologize to Shoshana and all others so treated for being part of citizenry that has allowed such things to happen.

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        • Naren

           /  September 14, 2011

          I was wondering the exact same thing. I want to know more about those “50 incidents”. what exactly was reported as ‘suspicious’ (just brown folks sitting next to each other?! and nothing else?) and how were they handled.
          Oh wait, we probably won’t hear about them.

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        • Joe Jericho

           /  September 14, 2011

          I agree and makes you wonder whether there should be a cause of action against either the reporter or, more likely, the government. I think it should be targeted to the government. Reporters should be encouraged to report, generally speaking. It all came down to how the government handled it. Let’s be honest, this is all politically driven. No political party wants to preside over the next attack, so they have no problem brutalizing an “unimportant” citizen for the sake of saving their own necks. We need term limits for all, and you are only allowed to hold one public office during the course of your lifetime. Sort of like a “thank you for your public service, goodbye” sort of thing.

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      • B.R.

         /  September 13, 2011

        When should people get suspicious and react.? When there’s a gun to their head? Or better yet, when the plane is going down? Grow up!

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        • Johnathane Dorane

           /  September 16, 2011

          You can get suspicious whenever you want, but you can not interfere with the rights of your fellow citizen without probable cause supported by oath or afirmation.

          Do you walk down the sidewalk keeping an eye on everyone and your distance because they may have a gun that they are planning to put to your head?

          Do you time peoples bathroom breaks when you are eating out?

          Do you time your co-workers bathroom breaks?

          Do you time your family members bathroom breaks?

          Please explain to me how their behavior warrented this level of a reaction. It would have been possible to seperate the three individuals and ask them questions for a few minutes to determine that they were not a threat. There was never and still is no evidence that these three people represented a threat to anyone.

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      • No the sad truth is white people are scared of what doesn’t look like them. this has been and will always be true sorry. I’m not trying to be insensitve or disrespectful. They use the attack to justify their treatment of people who don’t look like them. it’s been a pattern throughout the history of america. I was once stopped by the police becausde they said they recieved a call that Ii was walking supiciously by a bank. I was on the side walk and it was cold outside so i had on a big jacket. I was coming home from a ballet rehersal i was being “real suspicious” I’m sorry this happened to you I’m sorry this happens to anyone. our problem is not terrorism it’s fear and ignorance and untill we confess and accept that we wont began to address what can be done to keep from reacting out of fear

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      • I am so sorry this happened to you. And glad you are willing to share the story. Too much of our daily lives are controlled by fear since 2001. We should be ashamed of a great many things which have occurred in the last 10 years. And Dallas is correct. In many ways, the terrorists did win.

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      • Anita

         /  September 14, 2011

        I echo your words, Dallas and I, too, am appalled and ashamed by your treatment.

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      • GOPAL IYER

         /  September 14, 2011

        What if the “Government” was perpetrating this terror? Isn’t that possible? There’s enough motive… “Power”.

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      • Sadly so true Dallas. It almost seems like we are in an Orwellian 1984 environment when you hear stuff like this!

        So sorry you had to go through this! No American Citizen should ever have to go through that!

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      • i couldnt have said it better myself!!
        you are totally right,we need to stop sending our troops over there to be murdered and start focusing on our own country who has suffered tremendously due to the fact that we are making their country better. we need to fix us so we can help others. 10yrs have been long enough.
        Shoshana-im sorry you and the other two men had to go through this,but maybe something good will come of it!! take care and stay proud of America(even through the unAmerican instances). “what does not kill us,makes us stronger”

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      • Joe Milwarde

         /  September 14, 2011

        Yes, the terrorists did win that day, and they are still winning, and they have nothing to do with the Middle East. All physical evidence at the World Trade Center points to controlled demolition as the cause of the collapse of 3 high rise buildings on 9-11-2001, and almost all physical evidence was ignored by the so called government investigations. Starting from that scientifically irrefutable conclusion, one needs now to ask, “Who were the terrorists?” Things will continue to degenerate until the events of a decade ago are investigated instead of covered up.

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      • Pete

         /  September 15, 2011

        Our ‘gift’ from Osama Bin Laden. Now you see what the real price is for his murdering acts on 9/11: to make the U.S. an unwelcome place for all those people who chose freedom instead of sharia law, liberty instead of religious tyranny.

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      • joeld

         /  September 15, 2011

        you mean our own government won that day

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      • Libby

         /  September 18, 2011

        Actually their goal was to draw the USA into wars thus bankrupting it.

        They certainly have succeeded.

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    • Shoshana – I am really appauled at your response to the people who imprisoned you, and your lack of knowledge about your rights. The best way we can all fight this, is to simply decline to converse. Tell them that you will not speak to them. If, on the first request they do not conduct you to the toilet, urinate in their cell.
      Be polite, and refuse, respectfully, to converse. The only way they can proceed is with your cooperation, unless you have really done something wrong and there is evidence. Don’t EVER willingly talk to a TSA or FBI agent. Just remain silent. There is no law which requires you to speak. Without any blame or accusation at you, this is the only way we will regain our rights – not cooperating with those who exceed their authority.
      Respectfully,
      Charles Heller

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      • Moose

         /  September 12, 2011

        Stand up to the authorities, says a white man.

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        • I find this the saddest part of the acccount…a person who feels she is being racially profiled… speaking hatefully about “rednecks”, country music, and speed boats….the descriptions of the white bald paunchy officers (find it hard to believe that in Detroit there was only 1 officer of color)… and then other people of color jump on board to slam “whitey”. Yes, the terrorists have done a good job of dividing Americans and apparently the profiling goes both ways. Every civil rights movement has included millions of compassionate white Americans and as such a person I am offended.

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          • Diane

             /  September 13, 2011

            I agree with you K.S. Schultz!!! She talked about them singling her out because of her color, but she was to quick to talk about hating southern people, their music, and the way THEY LOOK, WTF!!!!

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            • Crys

               /  September 13, 2011

              give some grace-we are all reactionary, and her situation was both extreme and humiliating. Frankly, I am lily white and I would hate on white people doing that to me!

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            • Are you fucking kidding? She explained that she was so humiliated and angry that she began to feel that way (irrationally, because she was scared and ANGRY). You sound like one of the people who probably would have found her “suspicious.”

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              • Yodamite

                 /  September 13, 2011

                @X:
                I agree. The thing that baffles me is that, with everything this poor woman was put through, K.S. Schultz and Diane are most troubled by Shoshana’s silent reaction. As if getting handcuffed, strip-searched, and getting interrogated is a walk in the park.

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              • Chris

                 /  September 13, 2011

                and you sound like one of those people who wines all the time and complains about how you dont have anything so you sit at home and wait on OBAMA to pull his magical bag of money out from under his ass.

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                • Yodamite

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  Actually he doesn’t sound like that at all. Sounds like you misread his post. May I suggest you make the eye holes a little bigger in that hood of yours. That would make reading a little easier.

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              I love watching privileged white people lose their minds when someone who’s had their Constitutional rights violated uses an insult toward those doing the violating. It is truly irony in action.

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              • Matt

                 /  September 13, 2011

                In your opinion, are all whit people “privileged”? Also can you tell me which of her Constitutional rights were violated?

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                • Allison

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  The Constitutional rights against unreasonable search and seizure, and the right to face her accuser.

                  And yes, in America, all white people have white privilege. Since other people in this comment thread have misunderstood that concept, here is a good website about what it is (it might not be what you think I mean): http://www.mtholyoke.edu/org/wsar/intro.htm

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                  • Linda

                     /  September 13, 2011

                    Wow. That was an eye-opener. 100% true.

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                  • @allison
                    i would so disagree. im as white as they come and i live in Texas and i cant get a job even at burger king because every spanish speaking immigrant gets it. even though i could understand and perform any job just the same if not better. SO EXCUSE ME,WHERE ARE MY “WHITE PRIVILEGES”????? dont get me wrong,im not racist. but this is America and its the born and bred Americans that DO NOT get “privileges”

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            • Markus

               /  September 13, 2011

              Right, because white people always get pulled off airlines and detained because they look a little bit like that McVeigh fella.

              She was sitting in a jail cell at the time she wrote this, for no other reason than someone thought that by simply sitting in her seat during the entire flight, she was up to something, detained by a largely white collection of “authorities” from several branches of law enforcement and government, acting on laws passed by that government, put in place by a president whose largest demographic of voting supporters was white Southern voters.

              So, try to understand why someone going through a cavity search while her husband has no idea where she is, might be a bit resentful of the type of person who supported the President who passed the laws that allowed this travesty to happen to an American citizen.

              You think her noticing the color of the officers’ skin is racist? OK, fair enough. Let’s put you and your family on a boat, ship you across the ocean, and force you to work as manual labor for a few generations for a black population. They we’ll free your people for the express purpose of fighting and dying in your owners’ wars, so they can go on to be treated as a fraction of the worth of a black person, while being denied access to decent work, pay, civil rights, or education for another few generations. Then we’ll haul one of your descendants off an airliner one day thanks to a law passed by a black President, enforced by black police officers, because someone thinks they look a little too much like that white guy who did that terrible thing a decade earlier, and we’ll see if your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson doesn’t notice the color of the man checking his colon for a bomb.

              Then we can come back here and finish this discussion about what counts as racist in this country today.

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            • Asma Khan

               /  September 13, 2011

              how about I handcuff/strip search both of you (for looking what you look like) and see much you like me.

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            • Using profanity-abbreviated or blatant-doesn’t give credence to an opinion just as it fails to weaken the one that is opposed!

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          • Xanthoptica

             /  September 13, 2011

            In basketball, you make a point to “call the first foul.” It’s hardly surprising that a person of color who had clearly been detained for flying without being white might notice the racial or ethnic traits of the folks who are bragging about their overtime while her dignity is flushed down the toilet. She didn’t introduce race or ethnicity into the situation…but simply reacted to bald and mean-spirited racism.

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            • rohlik

               /  September 13, 2011

              i disagree she absouletly is clearly a racists, with her comments, she is a disgrace, support our country and policies if you hate them that much leave.

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              • Rachel

                 /  September 13, 2011

                I would absolutely love to leave. Unfortunately, though, it’s a pain in the butt to move to another country, especially when I can’t even find a job in the US with a bachelors degree (you need to have enough money to support yourself, or get a work visa which is sometimes pretty hard to do).

                Also, I will not support policies blindly just because they are “our policies”. Sometimes they’re pretty stupid policies. Isn’t that what the founding fathers wanted in the first place anyway? For freedom of speech and the right to disagree with the way the country is run?

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              • Allison

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Nope. Americans have the right to complain about America. That’s actually a pretty important ideal that was a part of our founding belief system.

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              • zirjo

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Rohlik..she decided at that moment she would hate anything to do with Country music, and whatever comes along with it.
                In other words she hated the idea that white men was doing this to her.
                You know when someone refers as to rednecks that reminds me of ignorance. Not race and this is what she meant. by using this words.
                As in many societies there is lacks of education and and most of all competence on what you do in this case is security the people taken this kind of jobs and you see it in every port the woman about 70 years old with no bladder only a bag on her side to hold her pee…but she must be searched because this is security or otherwise (I could loose my job excuse) Personnel taking this position are not the smart security force, you can think of them as untrained and not too smart but they could beat you if you resist, they do not know anything about privacy acts whatsoever very ignorant people that do things as if it was only one color in front of their eyes. I’ll tell you sometimes i had travel i noticed this people are so stupid on their search you can stand there and see their mistakes and think how many people could go trough this isles and find dozens of ways someone could take illegal instruments into an airliner. Their job is completely unnecessary if there is another attack for sure will not be coming in an airliner any way. I appreciate authorities took a step towards security but this is done absolutely wrong. I hope that some day
                they can restore our liberties and stop scaring people throughout the whole USA. The so called (patriots) that call on these 3 are the 1st ignorant s.. the ones to follow are even more stupid..till the bosses arrived FBI and others….

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              • Chucky

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Rohlik,
                The point of a democracy is that if you hate the policies you are supposed to complain and work to change them. You are not supposed to just take it–or leave, you are supposed to fix it. The government makes lots of mistakes, every day, some are badly written laws or policies, some are based on misinterpretation of the law, some are out of control bureaucrats. In this case, as noted above, someone was detained AFTER being cleared to get on the plane by security, being Xrayed, magnetometered etc, and after the flight was over. This is bad policy, and it is an unreasonable search in custody without according rights required by the Constitution. If you think this is RIGHT, work to change the constitution, otherwise it is not legally justified, and it violates, rather than protecting Freedom.

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              • Torus

                 /  September 15, 2011

                So you’re saying that we should blindly support everything the government does, never questioning whether or not it could do more harm than good or that it’s just an outright terrible policy?

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              • Sarah S

                 /  September 15, 2011

                I love it when illiterates with foreign names (from countries with Communist pasts) come and tell us Americans we should all leave the US if we insist on knowing our Constitutional rights- and complaining when they are violated…

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          • Completely agree with what you find to be the saddest part of this account. Understandably, she is upset by what happened to her, but she is really no different with her descriptions of the officers she interacted with. Would have been a much more powerful post if she, herself, could have risen above the very thing she is blogging against.

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            • Ian

               /  September 13, 2011

              Yup, she is really no different. That’s why she handcuffed and strip-searched them, and detained them with no justification or explanation for hours.

              Oh.

              Wait.

              No she didn’t.

              Maybe there ARE differences between the people who violated her rights — and, by extension, YOUR rights and mine, too, because rights are rights — and the victim here. You think, maybe?

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            • Steve Bock

               /  September 13, 2011

              What are you 12? You can’t see the difference between being arrested and strip-searched and noting that her captors were fat rednecks?

              BTW, I am white, male and born in Georgia. I’m even a little bit fat.

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            • zirjo

               /  September 14, 2011

              KB..she decided at that moment she would hate anything to do with Country music, and whatever comes along with it.
              In other words she hated the idea that white men was doing this to her.
              You know when someone refers as to rednecks that reminds me of ignorance. Not race and this is what she meant. by using this words.
              As in many societies there is lacks of education and and most of all competence on what you do in this case is security the people taken this kind of jobs and you see it in every port the woman about 70 years old with no bladder only a bag on her side to hold her pee…but she must be searched because this is security or otherwise (I could loose my job excuse) Personnel taking this position are not the smart security force, you can think of them as untrained and not too smart but they could beat you if you resist, they do not know anything about privacy acts whatsoever very ignorant people that do things as if it was only one color in front of their eyes. I’ll tell you sometimes i had travel i noticed this people are so stupid on their search you can stand there and see their mistakes and think how many people could go trough this isles and find dozens of ways someone could take illegal instruments into an airliner. Their job is completely unnecessary if there is another attack for sure will not be coming in an airliner any way. I appreciate authorities took a step towards security but this is done absolutely wrong. I hope that some day
              they can restore our liberties and stop scaring people throughout the whole USA. The so called (patriots) that call on these 3 are the 1st ignorant s.. the ones to follow are even more stupid..till the bosses arrived FBI and others….

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          • Yeah, but isn’t this a very human response to what was happening? Hate in return for hate?

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          • Yodamite

             /  September 13, 2011

            @Schultz:

            Really? You thought her internalized emotional reaction to her oppressors was the saddest thing about her account–a reaction that she owns up to at the end of the article? That’s what you walked away with? That’s Sad!

            And, what an absurd false equivalency you try to create! Sorry, Shoshana was racially profiled–not regionally stereotyped. One leads to violation of civil rights, false arrest, and a humiliating strip search, while the other leads to some dorks on the internet laughably comparing the plight of a southern white person to that of a racially-profiled minority. No, the profiling does NOT go both ways. A “redneck” doesn’t end up in a cell because someone thinks his twang is silly or disagrees with his taste in music.

            She reacted the way she did because of the way she was treated. And, if you actually use your brain, you would see that she concludes the article with a message of tolerance that is aimed at everyone, including herself.

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            • Brilliant comment, Yodamite. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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            • EAE

               /  September 13, 2011

              Yodamite, I completely agree with you.

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            • Matt

               /  September 13, 2011

              Excellent!!

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            • Excellent reply to such insensitivity, Yodamite.

              How would they like it if that happened them? Are they trying to say they wouldn’t internally get frustrated with what was going on? Even if they would later reflect on that frustration differently?

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          • John

             /  September 13, 2011

            I was also left feeling offended after reading this blog. I am not only white, but also a southerner.

            I am sure you were detained and questioned, but it is obvious by the blatant lies in your post that you are exagerating the situation in an attempt to make the white man look bad.

            Shame on you.

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            • Guster

               /  September 13, 2011

              Southern, white, and a delicate flower, too! A very common combination.

              Being detained, and strip-searched, and handcuffed–completely baselessly–is bad. But hurting my fee-fees is worse. Shame on Shoshana, indeed! I think the lesson she should take from this is that white men have her best interests at heart.

              We really do, Shoshana. Now remove all your clothes.

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            • Allison

               /  September 13, 2011

              More white privilege.

              It is white privilege to be able to read an account of someone’s Constitutional rights being violated, and that person having an angry reaction toward the violators (which she owns up to), and dismiss the account because white feelings might possibly have gotten hurt.

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              • Finisterre

                 /  September 13, 2011

                Well said, Allison. These ‘I am offended’ comments are unbelievable. Particularly the one that ends ‘I am a compassionate person’. You’re really not, dude.

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              • Wow, Allison. Such a racist chip on your shoulder. Perhaps you should direct your complaints to the African-American president who endorses these violations. Those white Southern rednecks at DHS could do none of this without his authorization. And by the way, didn’t she mention she was strip-searched by an African-American? Hmm. It seems to me like this issue is not so black and white as you would like it to be. In fact, I know just as many Latinas and African-Americans who profile the Hebshis and the Indian men of this world as terrorists, just as you are incorrectly profiling me right now.

                What happened to this lady is a travesty perpetuated by a nation afraid of its own tall shadow. A nation being told by our President and Big Sis (Janet Napolitano, Director of Homeland Security) to “See Something, Say Something.” Each of us Americans of every race is losing our freedom. This injustice will not be overcome if the primary concern of racist people is to prove that people of their specific color are the most persecuted. We ALL have a horse in this race, and sensible solutions will only prevail if we pull together and stop putting each other down.

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                • Allison

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  It seems that you misunderstand my use of the term “white privilege.” It’s a concept from critical race theory, and it refers to the fact that in America, simply by being white, white people have privileges that others do not have. White is seen as the norm, while non-white is seen as the non-norm, the “other,” the abnormal.

                  It is white privilege, for example, to read a story about a non-white woman whose Constitutional rights are violated in a humiliating way, and then state that because that woman said some mean things about the people who humiliated her, you’re going to dismiss her story, as the poster named “John” stated.

                  The fact that non-white and white people were involved in the violation of Ms. Shebshi’s rights is not relevant to the concept of white privilege, nor is the implementation of the Patriot Act, or any of the other issues you mentioned. My mention of white privilege was specifically relevant to “John’s” dismissal of Ms. Shebshi’s experience because his white feelings were hurt.

                  The Wikipedia entry on white privilege is a good place to start learning about the concept.

                  And I’m white, by the way.

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                  • Shanna

                     /  September 13, 2011

                    Let me ask you a question…..do we white privileged people have the right to not be blown up in the air??????? Anyone?

                    Since we are all so concerned with rights

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                    • pete.d

                       /  September 13, 2011

                      Sure. Of course we do. So, if and when there’s an actual threat in which there’s some clear evidence of wrong-doing, genuinely suspicious behavior that could lead to a plane getting blown up, by all means law enforcement should take that seriously.

                      But in this case? None of that was present. Some facts:

                      • None of the behaviors of the people arrested was actually genuinely suspicious
                      • It is not even plausible that any of the people arrested could have had the capability to blow up the plane. None of the people arrested so far for attempting to do so even came close to having a working plan that would have led to that result
                      • The plane was not even in the air, nor preparing to be in the air. That ship had sailed, and every passenger on the plane was assured of their “right to not be blown up in the air”, no matter what law enforcement did to the suspects

                      So next time you invoke your rights, please take the time to be sure they are relevant to the context.

                    • Allison

                       /  September 13, 2011

                      Explain why non-whites don’t have Constitutional rights when white people get nervous.

                  • Chris

                     /  September 13, 2011

                    yea lets use wikipedia for a backup because its soo reliable right? and you racial idiots who say that white people have priviliges and as soon as you get approached about it you say that you were being “misunderstood”. i dont care if your black white orange green or freakin pink. jump off this subject about profiling and feeling so “violated”. its gettin real old!

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 13, 2011

                      Ms. Shebshi was identified based on her race. Her Constitutional rights were violated not because of her behavior, but because of her race.

                      I identified the Wiki link as a starting point, but there are other academic websites available to explain the concept of white privilege:

                      http://www.mtholyoke.edu/org/wsar/intro.htm
                      http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/whiteness05.htm
                      http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/whiteprivilege.htm

                      It would help if you understood a concept before you dismissed it.

                    • Marnie

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Chris, you are not making a good point about anything when you say, “you racial idiots who say that white people have privileges…”

                      Anyone who cannot identify with a strong feeling of violation by hearing that someone was wrongly accused, strip searched, and interrogated has lost not only any sense of what it means to be American (if they ever had that,) but is a cold and hardened human being (if they still are considered ‘human’.)

                      Why don’t we take your mom and dad, handcuff them, throw them in a dirty cell with no explanation, ability to use the restroom, or allowance to call you and explain why they never showed up at home after their plane landed, strip them, cavity search them, interrogate them, and then send them on their merry way after 4 hours – and then tell me there was no violation.

                      And, if you cannot acknowledge that there is still an advantage to being white in our society – especially in this era – then, you are obviously just being stupid on purpose, whether or not you’re actually aware of your ignorance.

                      Furthermore, if you’re so sure that Wikipedia is completely unreliable, then why don’t you provide references to your own credible resources, versus just shutting down hers?

                      For such a moving, disturbing, and beautifully raw post, written by an honest, feeling person about their own tragic experience, the discussion seems to be rife with unfeeling, defensive, ignorant, and imperious commentary.

                      This is about a person, and all of our rights as Americans, to be free from subjection to violation – regardless of the situation, and especially without due process. It was never about protecting a plane full of innocent people; they were never in danger. (Besides being protected when everyone was screened before boarding, this happened after there was no more question of their possible potential impending danger.)

                      Whether you agree with the comparison to the climate in pre-WWII Germany, this quote by Martin Niemöller certainly rings true here:
                      “First they came for the communists,
                      and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
                      Then they came for the trade unionists,
                      and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
                      Then they came for the Jews,
                      and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
                      Then they came for me
                      and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

                      If there aren’t protections for all Americans against this kind of abuse of power (from wherever it stems, or is allowed,) then soon none of us will be protected from frivolous encroachments on our rights – for any reason, or none at all. The only entity which can protect our rights is us – united together.

                      If you can’t see this much, then you have no morally or intellectually valid leg to stand on in this discussion.

                  • Linda

                     /  September 13, 2011

                    Good comeback Allison – and by the way Miss Piper Bayard – the whole Homeland Security S–t started during your ex- BUSH administration – how soon have you forgotten this??????

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                    • Lol. Linda, first of all, you should not be so quick to assume I am a Republican. Second, Obama could have obliterated it in an instant. Instead, he has chosen to expand it’s powers.

                  • What To Do?

                     /  September 13, 2011

                    Allison – I’m going to chime ine on the white/black piece. Would you let me know the ratio of black to white pro football players and pro basketball players. Please don’t say white’s have extra privileges…if anything, the pendulum has swung back the other way. Agree with you Piper.

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 13, 2011

                      Another indication that the theory is not understood. White privilege is irrelevant to your examples.

                  • I see you read a lot of books, Allison. Good for you. However, this is not an issue of “white privilege” by any definition. White German-Americans were treated much worse than this during WWI and WWII. That’s because we were at war with them. Now, we are at war with Islamic extremists who come primarily from the Middle East. If tall, blonde Swedish people were attacking us, they would be profiled, beaten, and treated unfairly just as the German-Americans were. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m saying that’s the bottom line.

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                    • I should have been more specific. We were not at war with German-Americans. We were at war with Germany.

                    • Allison

                       /  September 13, 2011

                      Ah, thank you for making it clear that you don’t understand the theory. That saves me a lot of time. I appreciate it.

                    • bridgett

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      If they come from the Middle East, then why has the US been in ASIA for the past 10 years. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan are Asian countries.

                    • Bridgett, I’m referring to the 9/11 bombers, who were all from the Middle East. There’s enough literature out there to educate you about Al-Qaeda that I shouldn’t have to explain why we are hunting down Middle Eastern terrorists in Asia. Just google it.

                    • I support Rationality

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Wow, Piper, misinformation. Obama did not expand the powers of the Patriot Act. A little fact-checking is a good thing.

                    • Sarah S

                       /  September 15, 2011

                      I see you don’t read a lot of history, Piper. During WWII we were at war with both the Germans and the Japanese. Guess which Americans of those two ethnic backgrounds got carted off to camps, had all their property stolen and after the war were denied for decades any legal redress of their wrongs? (Hint: it wasn’t the white-skinned ones.) Guess which of those two ethnic groups perpetrated actual acts of sabotage against the US government, the fear of which formed the justification for the internment? (Hint: it wasn’t the brown-skinned ones.)

                      By the way, I’m white, grew up partly in the South and my ancestors were among the first settlers of Georgia. And it’s not the bottom line. The bottom line, if you’re American, is the truths we “hold to be self-evident”. Among those truths is NOT “run scared and trample on the Constitutional rights of anyone who looks different than you the minute you feel threatened.”

                    • fonsmoonen

                       /  September 16, 2011

                      Yeah yeah, After 66 year ´we`still pay the price for that bubble gum freedom. Stay where you are ! the next time.

                  • Gump

                     /  September 13, 2011

                    Whatever, I was a white kid who grew up in a mexican neighborhood. In my school, white people were the minority. There was no privilege being white in that situation. So sick of hearing that. If you’re singled out as being a gang member because you dress like a gang member, who’s fault is that?

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                    • Gump

                       /  September 13, 2011

                      See? and the price I paid for growing up in that neighborhood? Bad grammar.

                    • Allison

                       /  September 13, 2011

                      Thanks for making it clear that you don’t understand the theory. That saves me a lot of time. I appreciate it.

                  • Lol. I understand the theory just fine, Allison. I am saying it does not apply in this context. You know, I think the China has the perfect job for you. Ever heard of the Fifty Centers? :)

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Oh, wow, an oldie but a goodie – calling someone with whom you disagree a Communist! I haven’t seen that one in a long time. Thanks for the memories – I had forgotten the “Red Scare” gambit.

                    • Allison, google Fifty Centers. I’m not calling you a communist. Obama even has one in the form of Jesse C. Lee on Twitter. Just look it up.

                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Silly me. When you said China has a perfect job for me, I assumed you invoked China rather than Obama for a reason. But I can understand how you’d mistype “China” instead of “Obama” – those keys are so close to each other on the keyboard!

                      If you weren’t calling me a Communist, you wouldn’t have mentioned China.

                • Jane

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  But nobody DID see anything. Your point is invalid. This woman (and her seatmates) did nothing suspicious.

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                • Alice

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  With all due respect, Piper, these policies were put in place ten years ago; not by our current president.

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                  • With all due respect, Allison, Obama could have changed those policies the moment he got into office if he wanted to. Instead, he has done everything he can to expand on those power-grabbing policies, i.e. the “enhanced patdowns” that he specifically advocates. Take a look at the progression of the federal regulations and the executive interpretations on the issues. This is not a case of “Democrat good, Republican bad.”

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      I’m sorry, I don’t see where I made any mention of Democrats or Republicans. Could you point that out to me?

                    • Oops. I meant that last comment for Alice, not Allison.

                • Gump

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  BOOYAH!

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                • No. Racism = POWER *PLUS* prejudice.

                  Sit your ass down.

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              • Chris

                 /  September 13, 2011

                shut the hell up. the same old white people are bad and others are good. what you idiots dont know is that you get on here and talk about how profiling is wrong and stereotyping is wrong but yet you say as much bad as you can and call white people rednecks and say that white people have priviliges. thats stereotyping right there wow how stupid can allison, yodamite, and X, and steve bock get?

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                • Allison

                   /  September 13, 2011

                  Unfortunately, it seems that you also don’t understand the concept of white privilege. Here’s a good place to start: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/org/wsar/intro.htm

                  Nothing in this comment thread, or in the concept of white privilege, states that whites are bad and others are good. We are talking about racial profiling that results in the violation of someone’s Constitutional rights.

                  Ms. Shepshi already admitted, in her original blog post, that her responses to the events were exactly what she was experiencing, and owned up to that. Again, I am amused that whites who read the post seem to focus ONLY on her gut-level reaction to being handcuffed, detained, strip and cavity searched, and interrogated, and not the actual events of her being handcuffed, detained, strip and cavity searched, and interrofated.

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                  • Anna

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    Allison — What happened on that plane is atroicious. But when you can prove to me that all white people enjoy those same rights then maybe I will believe in your theory. As of now, I can’t because it doesn’t take into account that people have individual stories and histories. That is one racist theory and you being a white person who believes it doesn’t make it any less racist.

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                    • Allison

                       /  September 14, 2011

                      Please explain how the fact that white people, in general and as a group, have certain privileges (an assumption of normality, for example, or a decreased likelihood to be racially profiled, for another) is racist rather than descriptive.

                    • Yodamite

                       /  September 15, 2011

                      White privilege has already been demonstrated here multiple times–not just including the events Mrs. Hebshi recalled. In this comment section, people have repeatedly disregarded the greater injustice inflicted on Mrs. Hebshi in favor of the minor insult directed at the white officers. They see that minor offense as the equivalent or worse than the hardship Mrs. Hebshi faced. They have blamed Mrs. Hebshi herself for her arrest, and have attempted to defend racial profiling. (They have the advantage of promoting racial profiling, knowing full well that it will never impact themselves.) They see racial discussion as an imposition on their lives and they seek to shut it down.

                      White privilege is not just a set of advantages that white people possess, but it is also the delusion that racial inequality does not exist and that people of color are at fault for not achieving the advantages that they have. This delusion also allows them the initiative to control the discourse on racial relations.

                      How often do we hear people like Chris pop up on sites like these and, in monosyllabic fashion, attack anyone who dares discuss racism? His state of mind is the very definition of white privilege.

                • Yodamite

                   /  September 15, 2011

                  Chris is the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.

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            • Rollie Fingers

               /  September 13, 2011

              You poor thing! Are you all right?

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            • Michelle

               /  September 13, 2011

              How about you not think about yourself for one moment out of your entire white-male life? You have no clue whatsoever to knowing what it is like to being a minority, to have some white person point a finger at you for nothing more than being brown or different and get hauled off by cops. Your white privilege is showing. You will never be strip searched and humiliated in front of a 50+ people with no reasoning given, purely because you don’t look like an “Real American.”

              Your “hurt feelings” are the last thing that this is supposed to be about. Shame on you!

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            • @John It must be so hard being an oppressed white man. We all really REALLY feel for you.

              Shame on you for being an unabashed idiot.

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            • Ahsan

               /  September 13, 2011

              Dear John-
              You’re right. Southern white men have never done anything evil.
              Love, former slaves, victims of Jim Crow laws, Native Americans, Latinos, women, Asians, and the rest of this increasingly “colored” country.
              “People” like you believe every lie that you suck from Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity’s teats. Yet you accuse this account for “blatant lies”? Based on what? Grow up and realize that the world is a much more nuanced and complex place than your provincial world outlook (which is so typical of some Southerners).
              And on behalf of the rest of us Americans, we’re ALL offended by you and your brothers in redneckery.

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            • Daisymae

               /  September 13, 2011

              To John (cc: KS Schultz and Diane)

              I too am a white Southerner (very proud of it) and I am ASHAMED of YOU and your Hideous, hateful remarks. It’s people like you who cause the rest of the country to believe such awful stereotypes of Southerners.

              I am appalled, shocked, and horrified at what happened to Shoshanna and these two gentlemen–innocent people just minding their own business. This hideous abuse of innocent Americans by our out of control government has to STOP!

              Real Americans–real patriots–will do everything in their power to oppose this abuse of our citizens. That includes morally upright Southerners.

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            • Hitobito

               /  September 13, 2011

              John,
              You are not only white and a southerner, you are ignorant. You wouldn’t be able to recognize a “blatant lie” if it landed on your pecker. She doesn’t have to “make the white man look bad”…they do quite a good job of doing it themselves. So, STFU.

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            • A woman’s rights were violated, and all you can think about is that she didn’t bow and scrape low enough to the white man.

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            • George

               /  September 13, 2011

              John, just because you don’t believe it happened as described doesn’t mean it didn’t happen exactly as she said it did, and if you take a derogatory comment as a reason to become all upset and offended, try for a second imagining you were in her place, and this happened to you.

              Don’t you have a shred of compassion for a fellow person and an American citizen who was treated this way? What about her RIGHTS?

              Can you imagine that you are in a place where there are mostly asian people, and you were taken off a plane, strip searched, and not told of what you were being held for. If you told your story of what happened, and made a comment on the way the person was making cracks about how they were going to make more overtime because you were being held, and how, for them, the tragedy of 9/11 was a great thing… more $$$.

              Before you get all upset, please imagine you being in that place. I am a white person, and have been in places where I was treated very different that someone who was from the area (mostly jamaican and spanish people in this case), and it was pretty easy to get angry that they were treating me like this in my own country, and it would be very easy to comment on the way they looked, or their funny accents, or hair, or…

              Have people lost the ability to be compassionate to our fellow human beings, to see differences in ethnicity as a bad thing rather than an enriching thing to our communities, have we become the same as the people who caused and committed the attacks, and are we turning on each other now?

              I believe that Osama Bin Ladin achieved what he wanted in the end: and bankrupt country, in both a financial and spiritual way. It’s comments like yours that confirm this hypothesis.

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            • Are you for real John?

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            • zirjo

               /  September 14, 2011

              JOHN..she decided at that moment she would hate anything to do with Country music, and whatever comes along with it.
              In other words she hated the idea that white men was doing this to her.
              You know when someone refers as to rednecks that reminds me of ignorance. Not race and this is what she meant. by using this words.
              As in many societies there is lacks of education and and most of all competence on what you do in this case is security the people taken this kind of jobs and you see it in every port the woman about 70 years old with no bladder only a bag on her side to hold her pee…but she must be searched because this is security or otherwise (I could loose my job excuse) Personnel taking this position are not the smart security force, you can think of them as untrained and not too smart but they could beat you if you resist, they do not know anything about privacy acts whatsoever very ignorant people that do things as if it was only one color in front of their eyes. I’ll tell you sometimes i had travel i noticed this people are so stupid on their search you can stand there and see their mistakes and think how many people could go trough this isles and find dozens of ways someone could take illegal instruments into an airliner. Their job is completely unnecessary if there is another attack for sure will not be coming in an airliner any way. I appreciate authorities took a step towards security but this is done absolutely wrong. I hope that some day
              they can restore our liberties and stop scaring people throughout the whole USA. The so called (patriots) that call on these 3 are the 1st ignorant s.. the ones to follow are even more stupid..till the bosses arrived FBI and others….

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            • Jess

               /  September 14, 2011

              John is clearly trolling here, isn’t he? You don’t have to reply to ALL the idiots, Allison.

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              • Allison

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I have a tendency to feel that it’s only polite to respond. I will try to remember your wise suggestion :)

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          • Yes, because in Detroit they make it a point to hire all officers of color seeing as it is a predominantly Black city… right.

            The Detroit Metro airport is located in Romulus, MI. The officers in this account were not local police officers. They are employed by the goverment. I have been to Detroit Metro airport many times & yes the majority of the officers & TSA agents are White. In fact, every airport I have flown to the officers are predominantly White. Whites are the majority in this country. How is it odd that she only dealt with one officer of color?

            And if you are truly a compassionate White person so concerned with the civil rights struggles of other ethnic groups, why would you be offended by her reaction? How would you react if you had been racially profiled? I’m sure you would have been completely logical & not thought anything ill of any of the people who were mistreating you right? And then to bring the term “whitey” into this… I have to wonder where your motivation is when you are so “compassionate” and sympathetic to others causes? We should be sympathetic to one another when we are mistreated. Do you want a pat on the back for being a half decent person?

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            • FYI, whites are NOT the majority in this country. Browns and Blacks and Asians (non-white by most definitions) are the majority. I for one hope that the non-white population of this country treats the white population better than we have treated them throughout the history of our country. Right now we whites aren’t doing such a great job with that.

              Ben Franklin said it best: “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” With our current policies on “preventing terrorism”, we have given up basic liberties guaranteed to us by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution as Allison pointed out. There is absolutely no evidence that treating our own citizens, whatever they look like, as if they ARE terrorists has PREVENTED even one single act of actual terrorism.

              The kind of profiling that needs to be done does not depend on the color of a person’s skin or even whether they have a “foreign” accent. It depends on behavioral characteristics, as practiced for years by Israeli airport security. This should have been put into place in the beginning instead of all the expensive, extremely annoying, and mostly worthless things that have been done over the last 10 years.

              Imagine that…our elected (non)representatives wasting our tax dollars.

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            • jamie

               /  September 13, 2011

              Whites are no longer the majority of this country. I am lily white, country music listener, and cold beer in a coozie drinker yet I am not considered a red neck. I have been profiled not because of race but because of hair color. I am a blonde and a very smart blonde at that. I am an accounting major with a 4.0 gpa but people don’t know that all they see is a blonde ditz. Profiling happens with everyone white, black, asian, middle eastern no matter what our race is. With that being said it went to far in this poor womans story it should have gone down a different way as another poster said earlier whomever called this in should have been questioned further before anyone acted on this and also I would like to know if this was all acted upon by one “nervous” individual.

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              • zirjo

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Jamie I’m so glad you have a comment ..she decided at that moment she would hate anything to do with Country music, and whatever comes along with it.
                In other words she hated the idea that white men was doing this to her.
                You know when someone refers as to rednecks that reminds me of ignorance. Not race and this is what she meant. by using this words.
                As in many societies there is lacks of education and and most of all competence on what you do in this case is security the people taken this kind of jobs and you see it in every port the woman about 70 years old with no bladder only a bag on her side to hold her pee…but she must be searched because this is security or otherwise (I could loose my job excuse) Personnel taking this position are not the smart security force, you can think of them as untrained and not too smart but they could beat you if you resist, they do not know anything about privacy acts whatsoever very ignorant people that do things as if it was only one color in front of their eyes. I’ll tell you sometimes i had travel i noticed this people are so stupid on their search you can stand there and see their mistakes and think how many people could go trough this isles and find dozens of ways someone could take illegal instruments into an airliner. Their job is completely unnecessary if there is another attack for sure will not be coming in an airliner any way. I appreciate authorities took a step towards security but this is done absolutely wrong. I hope that some day
                they can restore our liberties and stop scaring people throughout the whole USA. The so called (patriots) that call on these 3 are the 1st ignorant s.. the ones to follow are even more stupid..till the bosses arrived FBI and others….

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              • Torus

                 /  September 15, 2011

                How is 72.4% of the country a minority? Sorry, but no. Whites are still the majority.

                http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
                A little homework for ya, from the recent census.

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              • Sarah S

                 /  September 15, 2011

                Oh? You were pulled off a plane in handcuffs without explanation, had all your orifices examined by a stranger and were held while your husband and children waited anxiously with no word of what had happened to you for hours because you were BLONDE???

                I understand (and appreciate) that you DO realize that what happened to this woman was wrong- but please be careful of what premises you accept. Racial profiling does NOT mean people saying insensitive or hurtful things to you based on your personal appearance. It means having your civil rights violated based on your apparent ancestry.

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          • Michelle

             /  September 13, 2011

            you get to be angry or hurt by things every once and while = white privilege

            Being judged every day when you step outside looking different (not American enough) or when people read your name (a hard to pronounce name) off a list = something you will never ever experience.

            compassion about white people is not the point of this post. Get over it. You too Diane

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          • Ooooh the poor widdle white racist was offended!

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          • Christian Zimbabwan

             /  September 13, 2011

            Omg your name is schultz! you must be a white neonazi! oh wait my name is Christian zimbabwan! you probably think I’m a dirty gorilla with the brain of a pea worshipping old books!

            (this was just an example, I’m not even black)
            See, it’s hopeless, sickening, and it just makes me sick to be called an american nowadays. What ever happened to the land of the free so many brave men and women DIED for? what ever happened to the CHRISTIAN country that accepted all believes with harmony? We tolerate atheist and they urinate on the cross, wow. What ever happened to tolerance and respect? Most saddening, those you got the respect fire back at the ones that gave it to them. Interesting isn’t it. Well I’m sure the type of people I’m talking about might reply to me insulting me. Pretty easy to find them.

            As for me, I’m not paying overpriced ripoff air tickets to get searched like a delinquent so the other with no morals who loves to be touched by the TSA can feel “safe”. Even with all that bunch of crap security and bigotry you got a nigerian to blow up his pants. So it doesn’t seem effective besides constant terror on the population. Heck like many have said here, these terrorist have surely done a great job at bringing TERROR to YOU. I’m more scared of my own people than someone blowing up the plane. Maybe if i comb my hair to the right they’ll think I’m trying to cover explosive in my cranium.

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          • Stacia

             /  September 13, 2011

            Not only that, but the one officer of color was a “fat Jada Pinkett Smith.” That’s a little too close to the “all black people look alike” racist trope for me to be comfortable with it. Some reactionary talk because of the situation seems perfectly legit, and I’d qualify “fat bellies and rednecks” as such an expression, but Shoshana continues with multiple negative comments about weight and skin color and culture — including the “fat Jada Pinkett Smith” comment — and it makes me cringe. It just does.

            Some people apparently think she deserved being singled out because she has proven after the fact to be as concerned about skin color as the panicky idiot on the plane who reported her because of her appearance. That’s a lot of crap. We live in a culture that routinely gives credence to citizens who profile based on race. In that way, even though Homeland Security didn’t see these 3 people and detain them based on their appearance, they immediately believed a citizen who DID judge them based on appearance alone.

            Homeland Security and law enforcement are racist because they are enabling a system that allows racism to go unchecked because of (sometimes unconscious) idea that whites don’t commit crimes as much as people of color do. Enablers of racism, enablers of fear.

            Although it would be nice to have read this post without dealing with the author’s obvious better-than-fat-Jada-Pinkett-Smiths-and-rednecks attitude.

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            • Marnie

               /  September 14, 2011

              If she thought all black people looked alike, then how would she know what Jada Pinkett Smith looks like?

              It’s getting more and more obvious that a large number of people here are reacting from their gut about past, building issues they are holding onto, and not using their heads, nor a clear, nonjudgemental perspective from which to address this travesty… much less a sense of fairness, compassion, or even a less-than self-centered viewpoint…

              We have a lot of work to do as moral humans!

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            • OR… maybe that woman really did look like a fat Jada Pinkett-Smith. When I read Shoshana’s account, a number of things came to mind — this is an intelligent woman who writes well, has a good sense of humor, is very observant and has interesting insights, is outspoken, is astute, etc. She may not be an expert in legal rights, but very few people are (and besides, the US Patriot Act leaves us with very little in circumstances like this). Anyway, I had no doubt that when she wrote that someone looked like a fat Jada Pinkett-Smith, the woman must have actually looked like that! I don’t think it’s the all-black-people-look-alike trope at all but an astute observation with a pop culture reference.

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          • Yoko

             /  September 14, 2011

            Maybe she did throw them into a stereotypical category based on what they looked like, but did she call “the authorities” on them and cause them to be subjected to the humiliation she went through? No. So, it’s probably not fair to call her a hypocrite. Also, I’ll bet she was in the worst mood of her life so I’ll say a little name calling is okay in this situation.

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            • Lance

               /  September 14, 2011

              Careful. Being in the worst mood of one’s life is NEVER a license to sink to their level.

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          • Iqbal

             /  September 14, 2011

            You have no idea of what racial profiling is all about Schultz. You only ‘think’ you do which is not the same as actually having undergone such experience. Racial profiling of the negative type can be mentally devastating and can leave deep psychological scars. As I come from a loving family background and I am emotionally secure, it doesn’t affect me at all. However, a lot of people are not so lucky and I fear for their mental well being.
            Schulz needs to swallow a big dose of humility. If you really want to understand the damaging effects of racial profiling, why don’t you go to Afghanistan and be an American ‘guest’ of the Taliban!!

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        • sstan

           /  September 13, 2011

          Considering everything that is being discussed, I don’t believe it is fair to assume Charles is white. Do you think he is white because his name is Charles? The way he writes? Have you seen this man before? Met him? You are certainly quick to assume – which is exactly what the people on the airplane were doing – assuming something suspicious was going on.

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      • Allison

         /  September 12, 2011

        With all due respect, Mr. Heller, I think that such a response would only create more difficult for Shoshana, and for anyone without a certain amount of privilege.

        People with privilege, either racial or class/economic, can refuse to cooperate and have that refusal be seen as exercising their rights. Unfortunately, most of the time when people of color or or lower SES exercise their right to not cooperate, it’s most often seen as “resisting arrest” or refusal to cooperate for nefarious reasons.

        I believe that such a reaction on the part of people without power would only exacerbate the situation.

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        • Allison, thanks for writing that response to Mr. Heller. His advice is dangerous and misguided. It would have definitiely made the situation worse and Shoshana would have probably ended up with a charge, at minimum,
          in response to that type of behavior.

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        • nickmalik

           /  September 13, 2011

          @Allison is correct. If she has refused to cooperate, she’s still be in prison.

          I am of Indian and American descent and an American citizen. Ironically, my family history in the USA goes back to Bunker Hill, yet I’m usually identified as an immigrant. After 9/11, I was stopped regularly at airports and questioned because my first name is common in the middle east, even though I’ve never used it. They’ve cleaned up “the list” in the last few years, so I don’t get stopped anymore, but it is always on my mind.

          Your experience is frightening because it is systematic. There is nothing that would “prevent” it from happening again, or even challenge the behavior of the government and airlines.

          Racism has a part here. All it takes is one ignorant person, or one racist, in a position of even “relatively little authority,” and the system runs off the rails. There are no rules to prevent it.

          And that is what worries me for our future. We have no right to redress these concerns.

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        • Ginny

           /  September 13, 2011

          Honestly, I think refusing to cooperate would be bad for ANY person, regardless of age, race, sex, economic standing, etc. Really, the best thing that can be done in such a situation is exactly what Shoshana did. It’s horrible that she was put in that situation, but because she cooperated she now has a power of her own. She wrote this blog as a normal person, not as a radical who courageously (and perhaps unwisely) stood up to the “MAN”, but as a normal person who got stuck in a horrible situation. It’s when things start happening to normal people that we begin to evaluate what went wrong. Hopefully everyone who reads this will be able to reflect on what Shoshana has so bravely shared with us. Anybody could be “that person” on the plane; both the person who was unjustly profiled and the person who overreacted by alerting security to an imaginary threat. Maybe by reading this, a future mistake can be avoided.

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          • I think you are correct, I can not honestly and truly imagine myself in this situation, but I am pretty sure I would be scared out of my wits and would do whatever I thought would get me out of there quickest. You want me to strip, yup fine! Want me to talk? Ok, done! You want a BLT, give me the ingredients… I wont even spit in it. I think when you are in that situation you just need to do whatever you deem is best for you – to get you out of the situation.
            I would like to think that I would have gone in that interview room and in response to their questions repeatedly asked to be read my rights and informed why I was there, but honestly… I would probably have been serving BLT’s!!!

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        • Jeffrey Renz

           /  September 13, 2011

          Actually, it’s a tightrope when you are being interviewed by a federal officer or agent. Shoshana was lucky to have encountered ethical agents. 18 USC 1001 makes it a felony to utter a false statement. The second you open your mouth in an interview like Shoshana’s you risk being charged with this offense. If you remember Martha Stewart or Barry Bonds or Scooter Libby, you’ll remember that they were not convicted of the offenses for which they were investigated. They were convicted of uttering a false statement. 18 USC 1001 is the last refuge of a failed investigation. Shoshanna Hebshi was lucky.

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        • Gump

           /  September 13, 2011

          Down with Whitey!

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        • Jane Wong

           /  September 14, 2011

          I agree with Allison. Shoshana did exactly what she should and could – put all this information on the Internet and let it get as wide a distribution as possible. It is much harder to keep this kind of egregious behavior hushed up now than it was several years ago, and the public has a right to know.

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      • Guest

         /  September 12, 2011

        Charles –

        If only that was the way the real world actually worked. I think you would be amazed how many Americans were imprisioned and denied representation after 9/11 because of it was under the the threat of terrorism. Also, I am surprised that you are “appalled” by Shoshana’s response yet you are not appalled with a person who reports suspicious activity to the authorities because of racial profiling.

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      • I’m with Allison here. Unless she is led and well-supported and surrounded by well-organized people, refusing to converse is essentially a death-sentence.

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        • Rich

           /  September 13, 2011

          Remember “you have the right to remain silent”? If you speak to any gov’t agent, anything you say (or don’t say–because they ‘remember’ it that way) can and will be used against you.

          Nothing you say can be used in your defense.

          Anyone arrested for anything does best to remember “anything you say can and will be used against you” and no lawyer would ever talk to the police without his lawyer present, if at all.

          If you don’t have that right, you really don’t have any rights at all.

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      • Abhi

         /  September 13, 2011

        @Alison : Not wanting to “have difficulties” is exactly how you lose your rights and freedoms. If you are willing to make a hue and cry about your rights being violated, it makes it an issue and forces them to change the way they do things. But if you were say a black person, and did not object to sitting at the back of the bus, that is exactly how they end up telling you to attend separate schools and make laws punishing you for sitting in front of the bus. But apparently rights and freedoms are something that do not matter much for you.

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        • Allison

           /  September 13, 2011

          Your personal insult is out of place here.

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        • Ian

           /  September 13, 2011

          And if you DO sit in the front of the bus, and don’t give in to The Man, then you’re free — and they drag you out in the middle of the night, set dogs on you, beat you half to death, then hang you the rest of the way to death, and then burn your body.

          It’s not as effective a way to protest as you might think, unless you’ve got a whole community backing you.

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            Of course, what the “stand up for your rights the way Rosa Parks did!” crowd doesn’t understand is that Ms. Parks’ indeed very brave action wasn’t exactly spontaneous. She along with the NAACP and the SCLC had planned for months to engage in this civil disobedience, so she 1) had a plan, 2) was prepared for the opportunity, and 3) (and most importantly) had a network of confederates and legal people in place for when the event took place.

            Ms. Shebshi, on the other hand, had none of those, so it’s a bit disingenuous to claim that she should have, in the heat of the moment, with no forethought or planning and no network of legal professionals, “stand up to the man.”

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            • Ian

               /  September 13, 2011

              Yep, and that they chose Rosa Parks very carefully, and chose NOT to go with three or four OTHER volunteers, all equally brave, because they thought that there was possibilities of backlash, and of dragging names through the mud in order to discredit the movement (one had had a child out of wedlock, for instance).

              That Rosa Parks was an activist, brave, intelligent, prepared, and with a team. We Americans like the idea of a lone brave person standing up to injustice, but one person can’t stand up to an organized, systemic problem. It requires a whole team. This takes nothing away from Parks; she is every bit the hero that people think she is — just, she was backed with a huge team of OTHER heroes, as well.

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      • More Scared of the Government

         /  September 13, 2011

        Allison put that quite nicely, but I would add that your response harkens back to an era where you couldn’t be cavity searched simply for being in row 12 and having darker skin than the people in row 11.

        She wasn’t practicing some form of civil disobedience – she was sitting on an airplane waiting to get home to her husband & children.

        Due process went out the window in the past 10 years. No one was going to walk into that cell and say “we’re sorry, but your lawyer is here and since we have no credible proof against you, we’re going to have to let you go.” If she hadn’t been tweeting? There’s no reason to believe that her family would’ve been able to figure out where she was if she had continued to be detained “in the interest of national security.”

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      • Karl

         /  September 13, 2011

        Obviously easy for you to say from the comfort of not living the story told. It’s a lot different when you’re the focus of the authorities, especially with this display of armed power and silence.

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      • There IS precedent that they can detain you without cause, which makes this a very tricky proposition. I agree that we must resist the abuse of authority, especially since this is clearly evidence that our country has now reached a fascist existence and anything can happen to any of us. Even this very statement of opinion is doubtless being recorded, analyzed, and reported somewhere in our country’s intelligence apparatus. But in this situation I feel safe enough, for the moment at least, to make the statement against our authorities’ behavior. So please, Mr. Heller, do not be appalled, but offer constructive criticism and, yes, educate us. I am happy to now know to not converse. But I suspect weighing one’s options during the experience is the only thing that has kept many an innocent individual safer in all the countries and regimes who have experienced the era we are just beginning to enter. Having heard my parents talk of disappeared acquaintances during the military regime in 60′s and 70′s Brasil, I never dreamed I would could be facing this disgusting and repulsive situation after my parents brought us here for a better opportunity. This is truly disgusting and we must fight at any chance we get, but perhaps not once each of our very breaths are directed by detainment.
        ..and I DO wonder who ALL these terrorists are. Aren’t we all just pawns in someone’s game? How many individuals are there who feel they can manipulate not only you and me, but masses of us. They must be brought low. Cooperation can make us much greater than the fear and survivalist paradigms.
        PEACE.

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        • Um, no, there’s not precedent that you can be detained without cause. This woman’s constitutional rights were shredded.

          Everyone’s thoughts about race here are missing the point: this can happen to any of us. As a “white man” who has been unlawfully detained by DHS (see my blog), I am keenly aware that even if they FIRST come for those with darker skin, you can rest assured that if we ALL do not resist NOW that they will eventually come for us all.

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      • Charles Haller, It is easier said than being done. I cannot imagine what would have happened to Shoshana if she had refused to answer their question. This country is not what it used to be. Don’t forget “the great patriot act” which allow the government agencies to apprehend without release.

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      • You can probably get away with that if you’re white…not so lucky if you’re a different colour.

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      • Oh, come on. You’re appalled at her actions? While you have a point with regards to exercising personal rights, your harsh and disrespectful tone to her in that single sentence is unnecessary; besides, I think the unfortunate reality for people of color and lower SES is more along the lines of Allison’s comment.

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      • Daniel

         /  September 13, 2011

        On the other hand however, by complying with the law, she’s been able to leave much quicker. I do not believe that it is in anyway the officers fault, they have just been doing there job; yes things like strip searches are humiliating, but you have to look at it from their point of view too. They didn’t know if she was an actual terrorist or not, so they are obviously going to take every precaution necessary to make sure they are safe. Fortunately she was innocent, but who is to say, that of those other 50 cases across the country, that someone else wasn’t? You just don’t know that, and while it’s unfair that she has been detained, someone on that plane has reported her, and the authorities have acted on that report. Compliance would only help her too, as refusal to talk is often suspicious, and if she has nothing to hide, which she obviously didn’t, then she wouldn’t have any reason not to talk.

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        • ayesha

           /  September 13, 2011

          i don’t know… i don’t buy that they have the right to arrest, detain and strip search an individual just because someone says they think that person might be a terrorist… this is the problem with profiling. someone could easily report me just because i look muslim and foreign (it has happened to me, but thankfully i wasn’t detained or anything, and the cops were very nice). and i should be understanding of being strip searched because they have to make sure i’m not a terrorist???
          shoshana’s story makes my blood boil, i’m sorry… i have no problem complying with extra security measures, i’ve been docile as a dove with my TSA encounters and i’ll even understand a little extra attention based on mine and my hubby’s “muslim” appearance, whatever. but something like this? hellz to the no. just my opinion.

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          • Exillior

             /  September 13, 2011

            You need to review the States’ Terrorism Act. I gather from this blog post that it is called the Patriot Act in the States. In the UK, from the moment you’ve been suspected of being a terrorist, it is possible for the law to detain you for 28 days (that was supposed to expire on Jan 2011 but I don’t think it has) without ANY charge being made against you, and your assets are automatically no longer yours.

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          • Well said. Here is one thing I don’t understand about all of the TSA, if everyone, and as sad as I am to say it more so Muslims or those looking like them, are so thoroughly searched before even getting to the gates why would they even think that someone could have bombs strapped to them as this poor woman was asked about.

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        • Joe Bas

           /  September 13, 2011

          So if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear?

          That’s the textbook definition of Facism.

          And as for the “other 50″, please, if DHS actually FOUND one of these mythical terrorists before they tried to do the deed, they’d be trumpeting it from the highest rooftops.

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        • “… they have just been doing there job.”

          Yup, just following orders. Where have we heard that line before?

          “They didn’t know if she was an actual terrorist or not, so they are obviously going to take every precaution necessary to make sure they are safe.”

          That doesn’t follow. It’s true of most of the people you’re around on a given day that you don’t really KNOW whether they’re actual terrorists, but that doesn’t entitle anyone to “take every precaution” for safety.

          “Compliance would only help her too, as refusal to talk is often suspicious, and if she has nothing to hide, which she obviously didn’t, then she wouldn’t have any reason not to talk.”

          So you wouldn’t mind if we allowed the police to randomly search any home in the US without a warrant. This shouldn’t be a problem for you, unless you’ve got something to hide, right?

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        • Comments like this make me so profoundly ashamed to be an American, almost as much as the horrific post to which it is responding.

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        • AFC

           /  September 13, 2011

          Everyone is just doing their job. No one is responsible.

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        • Floyd

           /  September 13, 2011

          Why didn’t they know if she was a terrorist or not? TSA already screened her in Denver. It looks like nobody on the plane or in law enforcement has any faith in TSA.

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        • This is because we have abdicated personal responsibility to the system; we don’t trust individual officers to evaluate the situation (any non-racist person could easily look at the three people detained and determine that they were not a threat), because so many are corrupt, so we process everyone through a “process” equally demeaning to all who pass through it.

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        • Steve Bock

           /  September 13, 2011

          Daniel,

          Here is your logic, applied to you.

          I think you are a terrorist, because you are acting suspicious. In order to take every precaution necessary, you will be cuffed, held, imprisoned, and strip searched. All without charge or warrant.

          Having fun, moron?

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        • Liz

           /  September 13, 2011

          Did you know that Communist regimes and Hitler used that “if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear” BS? There is. no. excuse. for what the authorities did. None. None. That you are trying to justify their actions because they make us “safer” is apalling, disgusting, and obscene. Tell you what, YOU go get thrown into prison, get strip-searched, and be prohibited from making any phone calls to your family or a lawyer, without cause. Then come back and tell me it was just fine, just a minor inconvenience in the name of safety.

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        • Jen

           /  September 13, 2011

          Your response begs the question…doesn’t the FBI have a compiled list of known terrorist? If not why wouldn’t they work on finding out who they are and target them instead of our great citizenship. I know for a fact that the airports have a compiled list of “suspicious names” they check.( I have traveled with friends who are stopped every time they travel) They know that much. What about all the “security measures” taken at the gate? Are we saying that the security checks before and at the gates are pointless and faulty? Shouldn’t we be concerned with that instead of harassing our citizens? What have we really gained with all these “security measures” anyway? A false sense of security that means nothing anyway because if you “look” suspicious you can be pointed out even to the point of being aboard a plane and landed, safely mind you, detained for an unknown amount of time without any contact, without any knowledge (a.k.a your civil rights denied). Meanwhile the real terrorist can probably get through the checks and gates without being detected. Maybe what we are saying is that we have come full circle to McCarthy era like fear where we point out our neighbors as terrorist in place of communist. At the very least we should look at a process where we are unfairly detain OUR people and not detain FOREIGN travelers. I don’t believe I have read of an instance where Homeland security detained FOREIGN travelers for suspicious activity on an airplane or otherwise. And do you know why? Foreign travelers would be less likely to travel here to the U.S. with the knowledge that we have cracked-down on our incoming foreign visitors and therefore they would not spend their MONEY here. It’s easier to appear to be doing something when we use our own people as scapegoats then to target the real problem.

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      • Rob

         /  September 13, 2011

        Mr. Heller is correct that you would be within your rights not to cooperate. Let’s play that out though: Would they still detain you? Yes, they only need “a reasonable suspicion,” in this case based on the citizen report. Would they still search you? Yes. They can do that in order to protect themselves from potential weapons. Would they still question you? Yes. You might have a lawyer there (and a wait for the lawyer to arrive from origin unknown given that you’re in a city away from home – how many criminal defense attorneys do you know outside, or even inside, your own city?) and the lawyer might advise you not to answer certain questions, but you’re getting questioned. In the end, you’re likely to be released, but all you’ve done is wasted your own time and money delaying the inevitable. Not very good advice Mr. Heller.

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        • John Q. Public

           /  September 14, 2011

          Well, Rob, for some people dignity and self-respect are worth more than money and time. Without those people we become a society of sheep, bending over naked while some TSA flunky shines a flashlight up our buttholes. I never cease to be amused at the number of Americans who crow about how free they are yet don’t see a problem with TSA activities. It’s nothing short of Gestapo/KGB behavior.

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      • Daniela

         /  September 13, 2011

        I think her response was mature and right. While the authorities may not have treated her with fairness and respect, she was the BETTER person and proved her intelligence, bravery, and understanding the best anyone could in that situation. If I ever found myself in that situation I would hope that I would act the same, although I don’t know that I would have the strength to do so.

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      • Liz

         /  September 13, 2011

        Unfortunately, for someone whose top priority is to talk to her husband and let him know she is O.K. it would be more beneficial for her to comply with the authorities. She was able to call her husband and was eventually released because she complied with them. If she had been detained any longer, her husband would now know the situation and be able to get a lawyer involved to have her released. If she had disobeyed their orders she would have been held even longer and personally, to be stressing over whether your loved ones think you are alive or dead is much worse than answering a few questions for the FBI.

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      • Steve Bock

         /  September 13, 2011

        Charles Heller,

        This woman was falsely imprisoned, hand-cuffed, stuck in a small cell, deprived of a bathroom, and finally strip -searched (including her body cavities). And you have the gall to suggest that she should have refused to cooperate? That her behavior appalled you? If she’d been uncooperative, they would have kept her locked up for days, and certainly would have escalated her mistreatment, and interrogation.

        You talk like a big guy. Let’s see how tough you are after a cop has you in cuffs, against the wall, with his gloved finger probing your anus.

        You haven’t a tenth of the guts of this woman.

        Steve Bock

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      • Liz

         /  September 13, 2011

        Dark-featured people who refuse to answer questions from Homeland Security agents go to Guantanamo.

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      • wtF

         /  September 13, 2011

        That would have been a perfect solution. Great suggestion! Then we wouldn’t have to have heard about it at all. She’d still be there.

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      • laars

         /  September 13, 2011

        hey charlie nice advice she wouldnt look guilty at all and they probably just let her go. yer a dip stick chuck!

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        Something to consider. Was she read her Miranda rights and was she arrested? If not, she should have been let go immediately and if so, she had the rights to an attorney immediately. But, in the case of suspected terrorism, doesn’t Jurisprudence go out the door and then they can detain her indefinitely without the right to a fair and speedy trial? Also if martial law is declared, there is no more Jurisprudence. People can be arrested without being told why and then be held for indefinite lengths of time.

        Someone needs to report to Americans (or anyone in the US) what they should do in an instance like this.

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    • I so agree with you Erin. Even though I am living in Sweden this made my heart and eyes pour out sadness. I respect your conduct Shoshana which was the only respectful thing that happened in the event described.
      Your story scares me because of the similarities to what the Nazi did during world war two when they singled out people solely based on their Jewish or Romano descent. That also happened because of fear and ignorance.
      I send you perfect love straight from my heart and soul and I feel you are a true hero for not loosing your temper and remaining calm towards your aggressors.

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    • Shirley Pakulslo

       /  September 13, 2011

      Sorry…your story sound like bullshit.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        Exactly what part sounds like that? Can you be specific?

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        • Concerned

           /  September 13, 2011

          Allison you are absolutely full
          Of hate and a problem starter. You’re looking for a fight not just conversation

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            My responses to the comments here have been calm and reasoned. I don’t believe I have called anyone names. I have asked for evidence for people’s statements, and have disagreed with people. Disagreement is not hate. Asking for evidence is not starting problems.

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            • Yoko

               /  September 14, 2011

              Allison, I just have to say that I have great admiration and respect for the calm and intelligent manner in which you have commented and responded to these posts.

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              • Allison

                 /  September 14, 2011

                Thank you, Yoko. That’s very kind of you to say. :)

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                • BayAreaBiker

                   /  September 14, 2011

                  I have exactly similar sentiments as Yoko. This whole unfortuante event with Ms Hebshi and how she carried herself through the ordeal and the support she received in the form of comments from folks like Allison is admirable, and a leanring experience in its own.

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                  • Allison

                     /  September 14, 2011

                    I very much appreciate your positive feedback as well. I am completely sure that if I were in Ms. Shebshi’s situation, I would not have responded with such grace and calmness. Her strength of character is admirable.

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          • Marnie

             /  September 14, 2011

            ‘Concerned’?!?
            Have you actually taken the time to read all this?
            You are delusional!

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      • Karen

         /  September 13, 2011

        Shirley Pakulslo- Are you for real? I can completely believe this story. Though I have never had to endure this kind of treatment, after 9/11 every time I f’lew I was ‘randomly selected’ to be searched. Turns out my maiden name was the same as someone on the terrorist watch list. I am a blue eyed light haired, American citizen. I once flew with a Jewish friend of mine who had olive skin and a dark bushy beard. We were both pulled out for search. My friend said ” I get why I am being pulled out but can’t figure out why you are!” It happens everyday, people are so afraid. This woman has endured enough , no need for you to call her a liar. As it happens since I have been married and changed my name, I have not been pulled out of line.

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        • laars

           /  September 13, 2011

          karen so you got pulled out of line big deal so have i. im just a white guy minding my own business and i got nothing to hide i say check away. as far as it was because the color of her skin maybe look at all the terrorist pic, hmmmmm. sorry if you were late for dinner honey.

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      • Care to even elaborate how it sounds like bullshit? Open your eyes, shit like this happens more often than people tend to think.

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      • Cianna

         /  September 13, 2011

        in addition to explaining what part is bullshit, please explain how it was picked up by numerous news networks long before she even posted? Pretty sure you are the one sounding like bullshit.

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      • Sam

         /  September 13, 2011

        Please do explain how something picked up by news agencies is bullshit.
        Don’t say you’re sorry because you are not. You may not want to believe it, but it happens all the time.
        It’s too bad if your illusions about freedom and liberty for all took a hit, but any student of history could have told you that such an America never existed. Sice 9/11/01 it’s certainly entered the realm of the implausible.

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        • Marnie

           /  September 14, 2011

          Let’s be clear: There is no reason to call this story bullshit. Why did you even read it, or bother to post that if you really believe that.
          On the other hand, we need to be VERY careful of claiming, or even believing, that because something is reported in the big business of the News Agencies, that it is fact… They are just as penetrable by corruption and lies as the government! (Money speaks loudly to every one!)

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      • Sophie

         /  September 13, 2011

        If anyone was ever confused as to what the word ‘privilege’ means, here it is in a nutshell: believing that because you personally have never encountered harassment, then the harassment cannot be real, and the people who are reporting it must have something wrong with them.

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      • Steve Bock

         /  September 13, 2011

        Sorry…you sound like an idiot.

        Here’s a link to the story:
        http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/11/us-airline-passengers-
        detained/

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      • borkula

         /  September 13, 2011

        Hey Shirley, wake up. This kind of stuff happens all the time. If you don’t believe me, here’s an experiment you can do. Wear a veil or turban for a week and see how people treat you. it’s a pretty enlightening social experience.

        Or dye your hair some fluorescent color.

        Or if that’s too threatening for you, just borrow a rusty/primered car and drive it around in nice suburbs for a few weeks and see how much more frequently you get pulled over/ticketed vs your cozy SUV.

        Try dressing to give the appearance that you are homeless and sitting in a park for an afternoon. See how long it takes the police to swing by. Don’t worry, it won’t take long.

        If her story seems strange to you, it’s probably because you’ve always stayed where ‘people like you belong’. Step outside your sheltered little world and you’ll find that it’s a very different place.

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    • Wow! What an experience!

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    • If you don’t file a lawsuit, these things will continue to happen. It’s your only means of recourse and you need to take it.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        I agree, if not only to alert people on what to do in this situation and to find out the name/s of her accuser.

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      • J Rodman

         /  September 14, 2011

        If there was such a suit, I would be happy to financially support it — though with any luck the ACLU would be willing to take it on (who I already contribute to).

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    • Online

       /  September 13, 2011

      I’d be just as upset as the author but I read about a half dozen disparaging comments about “fat” “white” people which kind of undermines her credibility.

      Her lousy experience is no excuse for her own generalized, appearance based prejudices.

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      • Billy

         /  September 13, 2011

        So right … we all hate something … or someone.

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      • Put a sock in it, fattie.

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      • Andrew

         /  September 13, 2011

        As a fat white man who is NOT a fascist thug, I found her comments not offensive at all.

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      • Liz

         /  September 13, 2011

        “Lousy experience.” Well, aren’t you the master of the understatement. So, if you’re ever imprisoned without cause and strip-searched, and not told what the whole ordeal was about until it was over, you’ll be fine and won’t be angry or upset because, hell, it was just a lousy experience. Y’know, like being cut off on the interstate.

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      • Yoko

         /  September 14, 2011

        Maybe she did throw them into a stereotypical category based on what they looked like, but did she call “the authorities” on them and cause them to be subjected to the humiliation she went through? No. So, it’s probably not fair to call her a hypocrite. Also, I’ll bet she was in the worst mood of her life so I’ll say a little name calling is okay in this situation. I’ve never heard of a better excuse. And I think her experience was a little more than lousy.

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        • Katiebug

           /  September 14, 2011

          This argument is a paradox to this entire conversation. One stereotyping instance is acceptable when another is not? Just because the degree differs, does not mean the basis does. Hate is hate, to be quite honest.

          Food for thought: What if the person who reported that row for suspicious activity had been in the “worst mood of his/her life”? Perhaps it was only name calling and it was okay in that person’s situation, too.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        I see exactly why she reported on descriptions of people. They judged her based upon her appearance, so to be fair to her story, she had to describe the people interrogating her to show if any looked like her or how they appeared. That was quite obvious as to her intentions with these descriptions. I am surprised that it flew over a few peoples’ heads.

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    • dalancroft

       /  September 13, 2011

      Beautifully written. This, a compliment from a professional writer.

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    • StartProfilingNow

       /  September 13, 2011

      How is this so horrible? Were you arrested? No. Were you paraded in front of the media and your picture all over the TV? No. You got detained and asked questions for a few hours and it was a little scary. But you weren’t beat up. You weren’t charged with a crime you didn’t commit. It is what it is. It was the 10th anniversary of 9/11! It was a day when the media reported they wanted to attack as if we needed to be told. It’s a plane ride, your normal freedoms don’t apply. Don’t give me and the rest of us this shit that you were profiled due to race. B.S. You did nothing wrong or suspicious but your seat mates did something odd. I can’t recall the last time I saw 2 men in the same row both get up and hang out at the bathroom for a long period of time. I could give a f*uck what race or creed or age they are; if people do something suspicious it is what it is. Did you know they are pulling the oxygen masks out of the plan bathrooms because someone could go in there and blow the oxygen connection up easily? It takes time to fix all the planes. I hope and pray we start profiling in this country. No, not radical profiling that would be moronic and pointless. Profiling is where you watch the body language and other behaviors of a person and experts can pick out people who are more likely up to something bad. So you had a scary day but surprise surprise you went home quickly because you were innocent. But it had to be checked out. What if your seat mates really were bad guys? What do you expect us to do? Try being in another country that really doesn’t have civil rights. Have the innocent hikers come home yet from Iran? No. So, I don’t blame you for being shook up and upset, but stop playing the race card as that’s f*ucking ridiculous. You yourself admitted you never had any problems before. Gee, I wonder why…

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    • Thank you so much for sharing your story. I hate that this happened to you but I’m so glad you wrote about it. I teach Social Studies to 7th and 8th graders. I read your narrative to them today as a follow up to something we were discussing in class – how we have changed as a society since 9/11. I have never had a class of students sit so quietly and so attentively. It was a great starting off point for a lively discussion on the impact of increased security on the rights and liberties of citizens. Thank you for your story. I wish it had never happened.

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    • Sybrsean

       /  September 13, 2011

      lib·er·ty

      noun \ˈli-bər-tē\

      1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice

      Our country’s founders cherished liberty, not democracy.
      Ron Paul

      We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
      Thomas Jefferson

      Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
      Abraham Lincoln

      Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
      John F. Kennedy

      Liberty cannot be preserved without general knowledge among the people.
      John Adams

      Liberty has never come from Government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it.
      Woodrow Wilson

      Give me liberty or give me death.
      Patrick Henry

      I will gladly take the risk of death for “Liberty”, over the prospect of no Liberties for “Security”. Vote Ron Paul 2012 and restore Liberty to this country. What happened to you is an atrocity, it’s NOT AMERICAN.

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    • Calin Brabandt

       /  September 13, 2011

      > I started to get nervous and rethink my decision to fly on 9/11.

      Shoshana, you should rethink your decision to fly entirely! This could’ve happened on any day (other versions of your story certainly do happen every day). People must refuse to fly the airlines for any purpose, period (pleasure, business, family matters, etc.)! There is too much money in the “security” business and the sociopaths and tyrants running it are all power-drunk control freaks. Political processes will never end it. Vote with your wallet. Don’t buy the ticket. Don’t take the ride. Tell the airlines, businesses, and tourist bureaus everywhere why you are not flying. When you and 10% or more of the population joins me, the senseless tyranny will end!

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    • UNITED STATES VET.

       /  September 13, 2011

      GET OVER IT…. What about all those who died 10 years ago? Think about things from others point of view? The odds of 3 people all from the same ethnic background all sitting together in the same row. The two males acting out of the normal range, and this all taking place on 9/11.
      Obviously something was done to alert the crew to take said action. I fly every week, and see all kinds of behavior, so something must of caused the crew to react in the way they did.
      In my opinion, you just wanted to get exposure, and attention.
      Im sick to death of babies crying racial profiling, and discrimination. We are not living in candy land, with puppy dogs, and warm hugs. We have lost so many good people, so many soldiers. If officails have to pull you off the damn plane naked with thier finger up your ass to keep it safe, so be it.
      Why dont you ask the family and friends of all who died on 9/11 if they would of minded if those resonsible had been harrased just a little bit.

      GET OVER IT.

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      • ruth

         /  September 18, 2011

        With all due respect to your service and those who died on 9/11, sir or ma’am, no. No, I will not relinquish my rights or those of others because someone with poor judgment may have overreacted. Our Constitution does not support violating someone with probing of their orifices, including their vagina and/or butthole, based on unfounded suspicions. The three people were not of the same ethnic background – two were, one was not. We’ve lost so many people over so many years and decades to maintain the integrity of our Constitution and our rights, including my father and many of his colleagues. As for 9/11, intelligence agencies and the presidents had information months before it occurred, yet they chose to ignore the warnings.

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      • orangecountyresident

         /  September 22, 2011

        UNITED STATES VET, I don’t give two shits even if you were among the Navy Seals that blew away Osama bin Laden. It’s racist pig Americans like you that cause me to lose respect for your country and your people. Since you expressed yourself about the OP having a finger stuck in her in such a flippant way, you have the potential to be a rapist bent on committing anal rape on women and men alike. I don’t feel safe living in the same country with people like you. You are more of a threat to this country than those 19 hijackers that struck on 9/11.

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        • You are more of a threat to this country than those 19 hijackers that struck on 9/11.

          While I agree completely with this statement, I’ll suggest that it would be heard by more people were it not surrounded by your obvious anger. I’m angry as well ~ I’m angry about the dehumanization of the American people and countless other people over the course of history. But acting in anger ~ and expressing anger ~ are not effective remedies. I’ll ask you to sit back and realize that people like “United States Vet” (I’m a veteran myself) are not at all representative of the overwhelming majority of Americans, and are no more than fringe groups that the government and media are attempting to stir up to revolutionary violence. Let us hope that they are no more influential on the ground than they are in this conversation.

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          • orangecountyresident

             /  September 22, 2011

            I am angry. I’m angry that people like UNITED STATES VET who serve this country have racist and sexist attitudes and these bastards think they know what patriotism is when in fact they don’t know shit about patriotism. People who wear their patriotism on their sleeve like that are jingoistic jack-booted Nazis. The only people in uniform I respect as those who don’t suffer from Islamaphobia or who don’t go around judging people or make excuses for bad behavior as UNITED STATES VET has. Too often, people in uniform are very disrespectful towards those who are not in uniform or who don’t think like them. I don’t have an issue with people serving their country but if they’re going to be an asshole about it as UNITED STATES VET has, then don’t expect me to respect you.

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            • Quite often when someone directs anger at another person, people who witness it ~ who are not angry about the same thing ~ tend to try to find excuses for that other person, in order to avoid becoming angry. Seldom does one person’s anger change the mind of anyone else ~ who is already angry about the same thing ~ in any other way. It does not gain support, and tends to soften support that it already has. And as far as having any effect on the person at whom one is angry, expressions of anger most often met with denial, resistance, and hardening of whatever attitude or opinion inspires the anger in the first place.

              Our anger, however, has power ~ and like any other power, it gains strength and increases as long as it is not used. Undeserved anger returns its power on the person who is angry ~ it’s a double-edged sword best used to intensify one’s own efforts in working in one’s own interest, not “against” others except where there is no choice at all.

              And in all cases, it’s best to control your anger rather than let it control you.

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    • WOW, very moving stuff, the main thing was that your safe.

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    • Derrick S.

       /  September 13, 2011

      The next step is obvious, just ask any Japanese American who lived during WW2., especially if there another attack.

      It’s a damn shame this country talks about standing tall and not balking at the face of terrorism yet that’s exactly what it’s done and in the process innocent people like you suffer from minds that have given in to fear.

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    • Walt Harris

       /  September 13, 2011

      Has anyone else noticed how she talks about people being fat,having beer bellies and flat top haircuts.She also refers to some people as rednecks.Sounds has a few predudices of her own to get over.

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      • I was not offended by her description in the least. Being a middle-aged white man who is slightly overweight and sometimes sports a flat top haircut, I think can explain the difference. Her statements were her own opinion. I happen to hate rednecks, beer bellies, country music, and speedboats, but that doesn’t make me prejudice about them. – it’s only my opinion. Shoshana was only stating her opinion too. She was describing what she saw, what she experienced, and what she felt – intimidated. While she was being treated like a criminal before any proof had been presented. If her description offended you, then you are rather thin-skinned and missed the whole point of her blog entry.

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    • You say you “hate” a specific kind of music and a specific kind of person…”I decided that I hated country music. I hated speedboats and shitty beer in coozies and fat bellies and rednecks.” Then you are just as guilty as those you claim profiled You. Shame on you. Maybe you would feel more comfortable in another part of the world, with “like-minded” people. USA would be happily left to hard working people, who listen to country music and drink crappy beer! Goodday, MIss. Go spread your hatred of America and its citizens somewhere else.

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      • Steve Bock

         /  September 13, 2011

        Cathy,

        The writer is an American citizen. She was imprisoned falsely and strip-searched without due cause, a warrant, or anything else.

        That’s illegal under the constitution of the United States.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        Her hatred of country music, speedboats, and shitty beer didn’t result in someone spending hours in a dirty holding cell, then being strip-searched and cavity probed, THEN being interrogated.

        By the way, in the USA, people can hate stuff that you like. But usually it doesn’t result in Constitutional rights violations, the way it did in this case because someone “hated” (or at least distrusted) Ms. Shebshi’s skin color.

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      • Liz

         /  September 13, 2011

        Cathy, you are the epitome of what is wrong with this country. She is a CITIZEN, you moron. She was subjected to abject degradation by people who fit all those things she doesn’t like. So, hating country music deserves imprisonment and strip searches? You are an imbecile, and you and your ilk are the cause of our losing the precious liberties you claim to love but in truth are willing to give up in the name of “safety.”

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        She was being ironic. I am surprised at how people are missing this. Someone decided she was a terrorist based upon how she looked, so she pointed out how silly it was to “hate” things based upon appearance.

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    • Matt Murphy

       /  September 13, 2011

      I am sorry that you had to endure this terrible ordeal and I agree that what happenend to you was completely unfounded and unfair, however, I find it very ironic that you say in your blog

      “I believe in tolerance, acceptance and trying–as hard as it sometimes may be–not to judge a person by the color of their skin or the way they dress. I admit to have fallen to the traps of convention and have made judgments about people that are unfounded. ”

      Yet earlier in your post you say ” I stared at the yellow walls and listened to a few officers talk about the overtime they were racking up, and I decided that I hated country music. I hated speedboats and shitty beer in coozies and fat bellies and rednecks”

      Seems to me that you don’t want to have anyone pass judgement on you because of the way that you look or dress, yet you have no problem making judgements on others. As someone who lives in the South, I detest the fact that many ignorant people in this country have a pre-conceived notion that all Southerner’s are fat, hillbilly rednecks and that simply is not true. All I am trying to say is to not be a hypocrite in your words and deeds but to apply those same principles to others.

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    • anonymous

       /  September 13, 2011

      Honestly Shoshana, would you have rather the authorities not have inspected you and the other two men and found that you never made it home that day to see your children? Just saying, what if the other two men had done something? You have to admit that two men, of simillar ethnic origin, sitting next to eachother getting up to the bathroom at the same time is a little strange. Often times people who sit next to someone of the same ethnic origin on a plane know eachother. Ask yourself this question, do you tend to have friends of the same ethnic origin? Or do you only have friends of a differant origin?

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    • Russ Jacobs

       /  September 13, 2011

      Well written and it was certainly an ordeal that I would not want anyone to have – but as it is – safety for the majority will cause uncomfort for others!

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    • As a member of the U.S. Military and a native of Ohio, I appologize for what you and your row mates had to go through.

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    • I hope everyone whom had a part in this unnecessary, unethical search (including the pompass asses that reported unusual behavior) realize that these violations against you can not be undone, and realize that they should beg you for their forgiveness.

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    • M. d'P

       /  September 13, 2011

      Sympathies to Shoshana, but welcome to the real world of African Americans every day–not just on 9/11: walking down the street in any city, flying on a plane, driving through wealthy neighborhoods–the treatment you received because of how you look is still the norm for us. A further statement about civil liberties.

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    • Aaron

       /  September 13, 2011

      wah wah wah. People are gonna be on pins and needles when government officials say we have a credible threat and they see suspicious behavior. Better safe than sorry and yes no one should be treated inhumanely especially when no one knows if they are doing anything wrong, but I sure wish people 10 years ago would have sent an F-16 to take down the people that had different colored skin that day.

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    • Dear Shoshana,

      You are a brave and beautiful soul, and it is a sad state of affairs when someone of your outstanding character and grace should have to endure such treatment, especially at the hands of the law. Sadder still that such divisions still exist in a world where we are all really brothers and sisters. I am a Jewish American, and though I can ‘blend’ in and I am proud of my heritage, though I know many people dislike Jews here and abroad. They also don’t realize that being that being anti-arab is another form of anti-semitism as we are both semitic people, though most Jews have fairer traits, AS IF IT MATTERS! G-d bless you, you dear brave soul… May you know peace, and happiness for all of your years.

      R. Levine

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    • u find out when`s it to late ,stupid …fu@k the iranian`os mid east and all that $hit…………..

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    • Ben

       /  September 13, 2011

      I once worked as a temp unloading refridgerated containters with boxes of chocolate into a refridgerated warehouse onto pallets for distribution to local stores. We were getting chocolate from Germany, Switzerland, and France. We were also unloading boxes of chocolate from Mexico, Columbia, and China (this was just after the recall of toys from China for using lead based paint). An inspector from the FDA would come and take a few sample boxes of the German and Swiss chocolate. One day I asked him why only the German and Swiss, I was more concerned with the boxes from China and Mexico, his reply was that the boxes from Germany and Switzerland were the only ones on his list to check. Later that night I told my Father about the incedent, my Father, who had just retired from the Federal Goverment, chuckled and said ” If you do not look for problems in the place they are most likley to occur you will not find them until it is too late”. Miss Shoshana I apologize for the entire ordeal, and I thank you for what you went through for everyone else’s safety.

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    • John Palmer

       /  September 13, 2011

      We are terribly sorry to have you go through this ordeal Shoshana. We need to start finding some ways to identify, verify, than act. It appears in this case they identify and acted. This process leads to many mistakes. As a pilot, we have a say “identify, verify, and rectify” I would have asked for more verification before I make a decision and land the plane and maybe the pilots did. Unfortunately, it was September 11 and everyone was on the edge.

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    • I’m sorry this happened to you. I’m glad eveyone is fine. http://www.silencespeaksbydanielrice.com

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    • Bill

       /  September 13, 2011

      Shoshana,
      I don’t know you, and likelihood is I never will. Like many below, I am very sorry that you had to go through such an experience. What is encouraging to me, and hopefully just a bit encouraging to you and others, is that there are so many others who are outraged at what happened. Of course, I say this with all fairness in mind to those who took the actions, but I do wonder if there would have been a similar reaction if the three of you were white… As a white person in our culture, I sort of doubt it. For me, this is not merely “white guilt” at play, but rather a sad reality. I appreciate people’s alertness (the modicum, “If you see something, say something” comes to mind), but perhaps one of many lessons in this is that we should all take a little personal responsibility– did any of the flight crew or potentially concerned passengers say a single thing to any of you prior to calling the authorities? From the sounds of it, probably not. In my mind, that should have been the first step– if something concerned them, they should have done a little more investigation on their own before jumping to such rash conclusions. Unfortunately, paranoia strikes deep. I wish you the best in the future, and if nothing else, I hope that I can keep this in mind should I ever find myself profiling another human being for such an innocuous action. Peace to you.

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    • Leyla

       /  September 13, 2011

      It is unfortunate that this happened, but I understand. If a bunch of young caucasion males had bombed Japan on flights, and then 3 caucasions end up in the same row, flying on the 10th anniversary, then it is nothing more than an unfortunate misinterpretation. Had we been more paranoid 10 years ago, this never would have been a 10th anniversary. Unfortunately, for the 3 passengers, it was a wrong place at the wrong time incident. Sorry!

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    • Do not believe for one minute that just because of the color of your skin and your race that they are profiling people who appear to be Middle Eastern. The color of your skin may have exacerbated the scrutiny, but that is not only factors involved! I am nothing near in appearance to anyone resembling someone from Southwest Asia or the Middle East and I was cuffed, strip searched and humiliated because the Security Officer with TSA said that my clothes were baggy, loose fitting and I seem to be carrying something concealed as I was going through the security check-point at the airport. The real kicker, I was boarding in my Military Uniform, on a Military Purchased ticket, with Military Orders to fly, with my Military ID Card and the concealed item was my cap, tucked-in behind me belt in the rear. The Security Officer said I posed a threat and I was detained, I missed my flight, had to leave the following day and I did not get someone telling me thanks for my cooperation, I got a jerk that told me that I am just as suspect as anyone else… People are bending over backward to not let profiling be the main reason for their suspicion, but it seems every-time that anyone who resembles a Middle Eastern, cries that it is just about profiling them. Stop already, those of who are not Middle Eastern and are being detained far more often that those of Middle Eastern appearance and we are not going to the media, or filing suits for discrimination and we certainly are not claiming profiling. You are not being “Profiled”, if anything, people who resemble Middle Easterner’s are receiving more benefit and avoidance from what would otherwise be a reason to detain someone.

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      • What To Do?

         /  September 13, 2011

        Thank you Mr. Lowry – especially for serving our wonderful country so that all of us can freely express our opinions to this blog. God Love you!

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      • Yoko

         /  September 14, 2011

        There didn’t seem to be any other reason for her detainment other than the color of her skin and that she was sitting next to other dark skinned people who went to the bathroom for “too long.” She was already on the plane, had already been through security and was on her way home. I don’t think she’s being a cry baby about this. I think she’s sharing her story because people need to know what’s happening and maybe if enough people speak out, our way of doing things in situations like this will be more fair and right. Then maybe NO ONE will be cuffed, stripped, and searched, and ALL innocent americans will be able to avoid experiences like your’s and her’s. I, for one, hate when people “play the race card,” but in this case it feels totally warranted.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        So how did you handle it and did the military come to your defense?

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    • Tim

       /  September 13, 2011

      Sorry but the Terrorists are mostly middle eastern looking people, not american looking people. But that does not matter. What matters is you were a little inconvenienced, and luckily you weren’t a threat. get over it or don’t fly. If a real problem was on the plane you would be the first to say why didnt they check it out. I dont care if they check me, I want to be safe when flying…..

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      • Tell me something, Tim. What’s an “American Looking” person look like exactly?

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        • Concerned US Citizen

           /  September 14, 2011

          “Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
          With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
          Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
          A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
          Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name,
          Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
          Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
          The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
          “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
          With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
          Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
          The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
          Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
          I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
          Emma Lazarus

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        Timothy McVeigh was white, last time I looked.

        Americans should not have to surrender their Constitutional rights in order to fly.

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    • This is the world we live in. I hate the race card but its played against me often. I’m stopped if I’m out late in my own suburban neighborhood. And of course the story is, “we’ve had reports a of stolen vehicle matching your description”. Your incident just happened on 9-11. Mines occur any evening after midnight.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        Your experiences should not happen and should not be tolerated. I am against racial profiling of any kind, whether it is the type you mention or the events in Ms. Shebshi’s blog post.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        TJ, sorry you have to experience this. Hopefully this profiling can bring Americans together instead of tearing us apart.

        Have you ever watched the movie, “The Wrong Man,” starring Henry Fonda? It’s a true story. It’s about a white man, of course, but it goes to show how someone’s wrong ID can victimize anyone.

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    • Roberta

       /  September 13, 2011

      Well, I don’t know what is beautiful about this story. It is a blatant example of a violation of civil liberties. It’s a well written documentation of facts. I hope that you never have to endure anything like this ever again. I also hope that the state of our world can someday get to a point where we can feel safe and secure, and that such suspicion, detentions, searches, et. al. will be uneccessary. I am so sorry for your ordeal.

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    • This Is SOP for Frontier Airlines & Delta Airlines. I am A Cherokee Nation Citizen and was “Racially Profiled” in March in a flight from St Lewis to Memphis on Delta Air Lines. No apology! Should I have Stopped a Delta Airline Employee driving down the highway and asked to see their Driver’s Licence witt out being able to articulate a seriously valid “Probable Cause To Believe” some form of violation of law or public safety had been or was being committed I would be in Deep DO-DO! As stated by one of our National Founders “Those who sacrifice essential freedonm in order to buy a little tempory security,Deserve Neither Freedom Or Security!” Homeland Security should be renamed to The “Department of Positive Paranoya”!

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    • Spock

       /  September 13, 2011

      I agree with Erin. I am surprised at some of the comments. In fact Shoshana was very gracious given the treatment she received. Some of these comments which are critical of shoshana are harsh reminders of what will happen if Tea Party gets elected. Everyone who does not conform to a given profile will be discriminated. I hope my fellow citizens wake up to the true values of decency and rationality.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        That right there is profiling the Tea Party and I have no political agenda, I just like to be fair. You cannot group people into stereotypes. The Tea Party is about taxes, duh.

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        • J Rodman

           /  September 14, 2011

          Sir, you seem to be confused.

          If someone makes inaccurate statements about a group, it would be making false statements. If done so willfully, it might be lies. If done so to deliberately make them look bad to damage their public character, it might be libel or slander.

          If the Tea Party as a group is being accused of supporting racial profiling, because of the actions of a few members, then it could be called generalization. An insistence on keeping a view of the Tea Party despite any and all information might be bigotry. Deciding what they’re about before learning any real information might be prejudice.

          However, it’s not *racial profiling* until we’re setting up police checkpoints and throwing Tea Partiers in jail.

          Do you understand the difference between “saying mean things” and putting people into cells for arbitrary periods without any crime or reasonable suspcion thereof? Because you don’t seem to.

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    • Trey

       /  September 13, 2011

      The people who attacked us on 9/11 were not white, not black, not Asian, they were Arab!! So call it what you want, if we dont “racially profile” we are going to get burnt again!! If we handicap ourselves by trying to be politically correct, the enemy wins because thats what they are taking advantage of. If you’re Arab in this country, stop complaining or go back to your mother land. In other words, try to be a part of the solution, not the problem.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        Ms. Shebshi is in her homeland. She’s American. Dark-skinned people can be Americans, too. Membership in an ethnic group does not automatically equate to being a terrorist.

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      • Fresh kee

         /  September 14, 2011

        wake up dude, nobody attacked you. it was all planned and set-up by the Bush administration. do more research online……..what happen to WTC-7, not plane crashed in? Bush needed a war so he created one by killing its own citizen…the other plane that crashed has no reminant..but they where able to pick IDs of the terrorist. Foolish satanic America, i wonder why they are always fighting…..one day America will come ruin. check 911truth.org and see more light and fact. America is far way too secured for 911 if not planned.

        Osama, died December 2001, but also you were all fooled again by this other Obama. see this link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years–U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html

        One day God will judge America and British. They have been unfair to human race. see link again http://ronabbass.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/osama-killed-yesterday-osama-died-in-dec-2001/

        .

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        She’s half-Jewish, Adolph.

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      • Torus

         /  September 15, 2011

        Timothy McVeigh.
        If you wanna say that racial profiling is good in order to not be attacked again, then 72 percent of the country (white people) should be carted off to cells and get strip-searched and cavity searched for no probable cause whatsoever just because of his act of terrorism.

        Oh, and all school kids, too, because we should prevent another Columbine.

        Is that what you want, genius?

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    • jerry

       /  September 13, 2011

      Racial profiling, boohoo. Stop the all too apparent attempt to cash in on this situation through the sympathy of the internet, although you certainly have learned to be an American, you waste of oxygen Arab.

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    • Oh, please. If I hear one more Arab-American moan about being racially profiled I will be sick. You all deserve to be “profiled’ just as any other American would. If there was suspicious behavior, and you happened to be mistaken for a terrorist, you should thank your lucky stars that you live in a country concerned enough with your well-being to investigate further. Of course fears would be heightened on September 11. Get back to being a mother and quit wasting time blogging!

      Americans lost their innocence because of people of your descent and their radical views. If you dislike being monitered a little more closely, please do return to your native land and do us all a favor.

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      • Jen D

         /  September 13, 2011

        Thers – just in case you missed it, Shosi is of Arab/American descent. Her mother is an American, her father was Saudi. This IS her native land! Having known her for the majority of our lives, I can attest that she grew up in Southern California and lived in a very normal, middle-class neighborhood, right down the street from my family. As for your assertion that she “get back to being a mother and quit wasting time blogging,” why don’t you follow your own advice and get back to doing whatever it is you should be spending your time on, rather than spouting the vitriolic B.S. you’ve so delighted us with today?

        Thanks.

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      • jenojeno

         /  September 13, 2011

        Ah, another reply from the High-IQ Contingent. The only good thing about folks like Thers is that they’re too lazy to vote.

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      • Thers, What is wrong with you? Do you listen to yourself? You must be one of those ‘christians’ who claims to be compassionate and loving but actually promotes hatred. This country has become disgusting, and I am embarrassed and ashamed to be considered “American” based on today’s definition and based on having countrymen like you. What have we degraded into? A bunch of paranoid idiots turning on eachother, and having no compassion at all. I am truly ashamed to call myself an American if it means being like you.

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      • Allison

         /  September 14, 2011

        Membership in an ethnic group does not automatically equate to being a terrorist. Sitting on a plane is not suspicious activity.

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      • Kimship

         /  September 14, 2011

        Considering her native land is the United States of America, why don’t you keep your bigotry and racism to yourself so the rest of us Americans can stop feeling ashamed of our country and some of its citizens.

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      • Dawn

         /  September 14, 2011

        Hello, she was born here. People like you make me sick!!

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    • B.R.

       /  September 13, 2011

      Thousands and thousands of people of all colors and races are searched at airports everyday since 9/11. Why must we bend over backwards for the people who actually fit the terrorist profile. If you don’t like it, don’t fly!!!

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    • I was Proud to be a Law Enforcement Officer when I first started in 1968. I gave a Sacred Oath to Preserve , Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States. To Enforce all Laws ond Ordinances within my authority with total fairness and compasssion. That I understood that My “Prime Function was to Protect and SERVE every person within my area of Jurisdiction. The Atrocities committed in Airports under the cover of “Security” if committed elsewhere would not be tolerated! The “TERRORISTS” HAVE ACHIEVED VICTORY WHEN THEY HAVE MADE US SO AFRAID THAT WE SACRIFICE ESSENTIAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS WITH OUT PROTESTS.! “THOSE WHO sACRIFICE ESSENTIAL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES IN ORDER TO BUY A LITTLE TEMPOARY SAFETY,DESERVE NEITHER FREEDOM OR SAFETY” PATRICK HENRY
      aLL OF THE ACTS DISCRIBED WERE TOTALLLY, ABSOLUTELY,AND COMPLETELY UNPROFESSIONAL! I AM SHAMED THAT ANY LEO WOULD BE SO AMATEURISH AS THESE WERE DISCRIBED TO BE.

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      • Allison

         /  September 14, 2011

        Thank you for your service, sir, and for your recognition of how deeply important our rights and freedoms are to the very fabric of this country.

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    • Where do you go from here? Do you develope new and even more expensive technology to weed out the paranoid flyers, passengers and crew? I’m a customer service person at an airport. I’ve seen incredibly suspicious activity that was to my knowledge never taken seriously, although I hoped some system was in place between me and the plane to monitor these situations. A redneck with a race card that’s scarey.

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    • rRON

       /  September 14, 2011

      This is too much to tolerate.Shoshana you have immense tolerance. People who have taken you for questioning needs to answer. We understand that the security is very vital. But acting without any clue is idiotic. People responsible should be taken to the courts.

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    • Valerie

       /  September 14, 2011

      I am of Italian decent. I have black hair and olive skin. Right after 9/11, I was always pulled aside and my carry on luggage always checked. I will say that I was not treated with disrespect. The security people actually seemed a little embarrassed. I knew that the way I looked probably was the reason for me being pulled out of line and checked. Funny, it only happened when I was traveling alone. If my husband was flying with me, I was not taken out of line. I had mixed emotions about this at the time, but I came to the conclusion that until people could move away from the fear of those aweful actions that day, I would just have to live with it. However, if what happened to this poor woman had happened to me, I know that I would have had the same feelings and anger that she had. One thing we must remember, for several days before the 10th anniversary, all we kept seeing and hearing was that there was credible terrorist threats that were received. So, given that, I guess I can understand the extra precautions. In 2001 terrorist intelligence was ignored. The administration had been told that Bin Laden had made his intentions known and still the intelligence was ignored. So, I do understand that authorities had to take every report of suspicious activities seriously.

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    • Scott

       /  September 14, 2011

      Unfortunately, this is the society we live in. Shoshana, I am sorry for the troubles you endured on your flight. But this is what needs to be done to protect the people of the USA. You feel that you are profiled, but is that not what Israel does? It is what needs to be done to protect the citizens of this country. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but we were attacked on 9/11 by Muslims of Arabic descent. People who probably looked like you. If you have done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, what is the problem with being scutinized a little more than anyone else. The truth will prevail, and a little inconvience for National Security should not be as big a deal as you are making it out to be.

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    • USA forever

       /  September 14, 2011

      Bravo to the people who suspected you and to the police and FBI and HLS. Was it profiling? Perhaps but how many non arabs are trying to destroy America? Are you guilty of any plot? Perhaps not but think of how many “sleepers” there may be in America right now. Did the crew and passengers on the plane act out of fear? No, they are just careful and doing what is required of them during a time of war, remember everyone on that plane was also inconvenienced, a small price to pay considering if the threat turned out to be real. Is everything ok now, 10 years after 9/11/01? 1993 first attack on the WTC, 8 years later the towers fall. WAKE UP YOU FOOLS!!! FIGHT BACK! SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING! Back in 2001 when we were asked to say something if we see or even suspect something they didn’t mean “just for the time being” they ment for how ever long it takes! As far as Im concerned I will never trust an arab ever again, no matter if he/she is an American citizen or not, no matter if they are terrorists or not, how are we suppose to know if they are or aren’t? They are so good at fooling us the best solution is suspect them all. In fact lets send em all back

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      • You seem to forget that America has Jack Bauer, Chuck Norris AND Obama, so there’s nothing you should be afraid of.

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      • Allison

         /  September 14, 2011

        An honest racist, at least. I suppose that’s something. I’m not sure what, though.

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      • ghf

         /  September 14, 2011

        USA forever…you make me sad to be an American

        Forty something white man from Arkansas

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      • ender

         /  September 14, 2011

        Please imagine you are a pilgrim in 1600′s and the native americans persecuted you similarly because a few members of your group committed a terrorist act. Do not pass judgements so easily. I come from a nation that has been a target of Islamic terror since 1980′s and understand where your anger comes from but to profile somebody based on the color of their skin is a throwback to the pre-civil disobidience era. Do you want that? There are no easy answers to the question of how america is going to deal with terrorism but to say that you want throw out a part of the population because of the color of their skin is ridiculous and borders on treason. Would you say the same for all white people after what timothy mcveigh did or all the black people for because of the underwear bomber from nigeria? Before you react please sit back and imagine yourself in Ms Hebshi’s position.

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    • According to MSN this was being Tweeted in real time until you were handcuffed, Twitter was not around until 7 years later, so forgive my skeptisim.

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      • Mark

         /  September 14, 2011

        Learn to read, maybe, Alan? It looks like you are accusing Ms. Shebshi of making this up? This just happened to her this past Sunday. Not 10 years ago. So, I’m not sure what you mena when you say that “Twitter wasn’t around until 7 years later, so forgive my skepticism.” …What are you not getting about this, Alan Frisch?

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      • Marissa

         /  September 14, 2011

        I think you misunderstood. This happened this year, Sunday, September 11, 2011.

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      • Jess

         /  September 14, 2011

        LOL.

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    • I’ve been in the US for 4 years, coming from Western Europe. People think I was here all my life, or at least much, much longer than that – except for that “something” they can’t quite put their finger on.

      I am truly, honestly, suffering from positive discrimination. People make it so obvious to me I’m the kind of immigrant they want in this country. I am first in line to get a job, be considered for friends, etc.

      I married a Hispanic man’s daughter, and it was an honor.

      Blacks don’t hate on me because I’m European so I’m not offspring of slave abusers, and where I come from North-Africans are unpopular immigrants but blacks are pretty cool – so they sense no hostility.

      Arabs like me because I am an immigrant in America along with them and understand their culture a million times better than natives.

      When I tell white Americans that I’m European, their eyes go open and something like a silent AHHH comes out. Then travel stories ensue and how much they envy me growing up in those places and how much they admire me speaking several languages. And they almost never forget to mention that they traced their ancestry down to European immigrants.

      So if I am recipient of so much “opinion” because I’m white, just imagine what blacks, hispanics and arabs go through. But since bias is part of human nature, let’s just give everyone that nice positive bias that I’m enjoying in this country.

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    • Brenda

       /  September 14, 2011

      I am sorry she had to go through this but we as a country are helpless. If we lighten security to make all passengers comfy, that leaves an open door for terrorists to repeat their attacks. We already have a 9/11 to prove they will indeed attack. We want to avoid a 9/11 part 2, while also avoiding a 9/12, or a 10/2, or a 11/25. I have not flown after 9/11/2001. My skin is olive complected due to my Italian background. While being checked with the rest of the passengers and then double checked because of how I look might be uncomfortable, it makes me feel secure knowing that the checking is going on.

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    • Marvin Bryer, in Los Angeles County we have installed a strange version of Homeland Security. But the people in charge, including the Glendale Cops who were previously under former Police Chief Randy Adams, who helped bankrupt the City of Bell, and has not been arrested, are the real terrorists. I just got as parking ticket that was put in my mailbox without a postage stamp, in violation of the United States Postal service laws, and of course, the US Post Office is going BANKRUPT! I try to stay off planes but cars in Glendale are also not safe.

      Marv

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    • Frank

       /  September 14, 2011

      Israel profiles, it sad but its needed.

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    • Wim Bradford

       /  September 14, 2011

      I agree strongly with this comment… and i would only add that
      America is no longer the hopes and dreams we had for her.
      There’s an insanity run rampant.. though all layers of our society
      and our leaders … and I believe its only going to get worse.

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    • mike b

       /  September 14, 2011

      We know this is going on all the time. Thank you for being bold enough to relate your experience to the nation. Ironically now we use repressive tactics just like the groups/nations we have been so critical of.

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    • So….lets say something had happened. Months from now people would be commenting on the ‘lack of response’ to the obvious signs of an attack…the same way they did regarding Pearl Harbor and 9/11. I’m willing to sacrifice the small discomfort of yourself(and myself) for the health and safety of all. I think we owe that for the greater good of this once great nation. For someone to so graphically describe such a traumatic….strike that…..dramatic experience….I find that sad a problem in itself. If you don’t like the manner in which this land protects its citizens….then LEAVE.

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      • Sarah S

         /  September 15, 2011

        Oh good, let’s have an argument about which of us Americans should leave. I vote for the ones who consider violation of Constitutional rights a ‘small discomfort’ that we should all be willing to ‘put up with’ for the ‘greater good’. I come from a line of people who were defending the rights of ALL Americans of whatever color or religion long before there WAS an America. So if you think you’re going to put ME out of my country- well, you can think again, Buster. Bring it on. We beat you on slavery, we beat you on internment of Japanese-Americans, we beat you on Segregation, and we’ll beat you again. It may take a generation- or two- or longer yet, but we will never give in or give up. Because no REAL American will ever sacrifice the smallest part of our own or another’s freedom out of fear. Neither will we dishonor our dead by using them as a cover for cowardice and prejudice.

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    • Peter

       /  September 17, 2011

      I believe this is completely necessary. I consider myself American though I was not born in the U.S. I am 22 years old and have lived here since I was 2. I love the American culture, country music, and I served in the military. I am Cuban and have a dark complexion which is comparable to the Mexican appearance. Being stationed in California during a time that those of dark complexion were seized and asked for documentation or faced immediate deportation. I was driving my Jeep Wrangler with my top down, blaring country music. I had a military hair cut and Marine Corps bumper sticker. I was pulled over, searched, my Jeep was searched, and I was asked to show my papers. I was prepared because I knew what was going on. I had my citizenship papers, military orders, military ID card and all driving paperwork of course. I realized that the officer was acting on orders as he had to face his on board camera as he reviewed my paperwork. I was not upset. I knew what I had coming for being a certain color. I was as cooperative and respectful as possible. Though I risked my life during 2 deployments in 2 countries, I was understanding. As should any targeted race be understanding. There is no way that you should not understand why you were seized and searched on a plane on 9/11. I believe that there was nothing unjust about your experience. I am not brainwashed. As a minority and part of an interracial marriage, I am familiar with being singled out.

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      • SilenceDogood

         /  September 17, 2011

        I note that you left the part out about your strip and subsequent cavity search, which means not only did you not have the same experience, but that you missed the entire point.

        What happened to you was wrong and unConstitutional.

        What happened in this case was wrong and unConstitutional.

        People in America should neither expect nor understand to be singled out for their race. Ever. Period.

        It’s sad that you swore to uphold the Constitution, sacrificed your life in 2 duties to do so, and then completely disregarded it on the side of the road like some shill.

        Pathetic.

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  2. Emory Upchurch

     /  September 12, 2011

    Amazing. So glad that you wrote this.

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    • Sudhanshu

       /  September 13, 2011

      I second that though I am amazed that you were able to write this the next day. Something like this would have left me in shock and denial for a lot longer, kudos to you for getting this out in open.

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  3. oh man, shosh. i am horrified. absolutely. thank you so much for sharing your experience. people need to read this! sending love you much love.

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  4. I am so upset that this happened to you. What can we do to help you get your story out — or to keep this from happening to anyone else?

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    • Hi Beth, thanks for your kindness and support. Feel free to share this posting. I am a firm believer that personal accounts like this will show how little progress we have made and how far we need to go.

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      • Lane L. Yarbrough

         /  September 13, 2011

        Wait! Wait! Don’t Tell Me!….Flight 623….6+2+3 = 11. Now it all makes sense. Do I win anything?

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        • Junaid

           /  September 13, 2011

          and 9 characters in “Flight 623″

          To the person that was appalled at your actions, while i understand that standing up is important for yourself, there are other implications of standing up for yourself in those moments.
          As i am muslim and indian i tend to get harassed from time to time and generally do stand up for myself, but the consequences of that are that if the story of me ever being harassed goes public, many in the media would spin it as “oh look at the muslim who would not comply with the police, they dont care about america, if they did they would have complied.”

          There are many ways of handling her situation, for her handling it in the manner she did was correct for her. Lets not judge the victim for their actions but rather those who can not see past a persons color.

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        • Absolutely Lanie, you WIN! You win a BIG HUG, wrap your arms around yourself, close your eyes and imagine it’s me, then squeeze real tight! There is that better? Your post put a smile on my face, I hope I put one on yours!

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      • Jen D

         /  September 13, 2011

        Hi Shoshi,

        I have shared this with my circle. Outraged and saddened by what happened.

        Sending you peace – Jenny

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      • Heywood Jablome

         /  September 14, 2011

        I was on this plane you antagonized the flight crew and security YOU did this on purpose as a publicity stunt…Yeah I saw right through you… from the TSA lines …So fucking knock off the pseudo-martyrdom…Cant wait til the videos are reviewed and they haul your useless birkenstock wearing tree-hugging, GED toting useless ass to Federal Prison… I hope you like Melissa Etheridge and Queen Latifah because you will be spending the next few years getting acquainted. Now shut this pointless nonsense blog down and turn yourself in … You’re flat out busted and everyone already knows it

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  5. Dvorah Waldman

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m so proud of the way you conducted yourself and had the presence to be so observant about your experience.

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  6. Unbelievable. My friend shared this link on his facebook page and I’m so sorry to hear of your story. It sounds like you were very brave and kept calm throughout. My boyfriend is half-Indian and I’d always pooh-poohed his concerns with being racially profiled while traveling – but no more.

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  7. Shosh- Thank you for sharing your experience. It makes me ill, knowing you had to go through that. Much love to you and the family.

    Katie & Brandon

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    • Thanks guys! Love to you and your gorgeous boys back.

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    • In this country of fear and retaliation,it`s unfortunate that you had to face the wrath of this counties authority. You did not deserve to be treated that way no one does. But fear and prejudice walk hand and hand today in our society, weather its on a plane or facing you on the streets of any town America. Remember God loves you and will protect you, regardless of what man tries to do to humiliate you.

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  8. Beth Morse

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am sooo sorry this happened to you! It’s totally absurd! I will be sure to share your story. I’m glad you are home safe and sound. Hugs

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  9. flutter

     /  September 12, 2011

    Oh Shoshana! I remember you so vividly in high school. It breaks my heart to know this happened to you.

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  10. This story is enraging. We’re supposed to feel protected by such overbearing, authoritarian abuse of power? I sure don’t. The average American is more at risk of enduring the abuse of our homeland “security” agents than they are of suffering any harm at the hands of terrorists. We’re fighting terrorism with terrorism. The terrorists have won.

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    • agree absolutely..but its not the ‘agents’ we need to blame, but a public thats allowed fear to make them suspicious of all things ‘brown’…its the same climate as the 1930′s and worries me greatly…

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  11. Jennifer Scharpe

     /  September 12, 2011

    All I can say is, WOW. I couldn’t imagine what your day was like and sorry you had to experience racial profiling. Thanks for sharing your story. Glad you are safe!

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  12. Whoa. I’m SO sorry that happened to you. At the same time, I am so impressed with the way you conducted yourself through that ordeal AND with the thoughtful, even-tempered way you composed this post…I don’t know that I could have relayed something like this without loads of profanity and exclamation points. Thank you for sharing this.

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  13. Kathy S.

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m sick and disgusted too! That’s so messed up.

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  14. Wow. I am so sorry that this happened to you! Thank you for sharing this with all of us. It brought me to tears reading it. My father (a mexican-american) has the same name as someone on the no fly list so he gets harassed every time he flies. He is a retired peace officer so though it annoys him he doesn’t think much of it. I guess I have always taken the stance of, it’s to protect our country so it must be ok. I am sick to my stomach at the thought of my stupidity and lack of compassion. Although I haven’t seen you since high school, reading your wonderfully written words immediately brought your young smiling face to my mind! I will be sharing your story with everyone I know. As you said, we have to stop living our lives in fear of what “might” happen and move forward to the wonderful possibilities that could be if people stopped getting sucked into the panic. All of us have judged a book by it’s cover at one time or another unfairly but it is beyond out of hand. I don’t know how you refrained from smacking or at least returning some snide comment to the officers rude comment about being descended from desert people so you wouldn’t mind that he had no air conditioning. You were much braver, calmer and tactful than I think I could ever have been!

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  15. Marsha Litwiller

     /  September 12, 2011

    My God! Can’t imagine what you went through. To be put in handcuffs,jailed and strip searched. Please know that my thoughts and prayers are with you and your damily. You are a strong woman and I am proud to know that you and my daughter Amy are friends. Marsha

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  16. I am so ashamed of our nation right now that this sort of thing happens to innocent civilians. Thank you for sharing this. Where is the credibility behind the suspicious other passengers felt, other than skin-tone? It’s ridiculous. I am very sorry that this happened to you. I can’t even imagine going through something like this without being very upset the entire time. You handled yourself much better than I would ever hope to in a situation like that.
    I am glad that you are home with your family and friends. I also hope the men that shared this horrible experience with you are doing well (as they can be given this horrible event.) I found a link to your story on one of my friend’s facebook pages and I have shared it as well. I thought our country stood for something better than this sort of thing… :(

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    • thankful

       /  September 13, 2011

      I’m sorry I have to leave this site I can’t believe many of you people dissing the land of the free if you are so unhappy then maybe you should find another place to live yourselves it was terrible what happened but I can understand why, we want to make all Americans safe not just some

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      • jenojeno

         /  September 13, 2011

        Anything to be a little more safe, right, thankful? It’s sickening that the land of “Don’t Tread on Me” has become the land of “Sure I’ll Bend Over May I Have Another Sir.”

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      • wow! a spate of “if you don’t like America, leave” comments, and now let’s be thankful Thankful has made his last post.Surely there can be no excuse for condoning loss of liberties, regardless of the ancestry of those whose liberty has been restricted. This case is made all the worse due to accusers not accountable and the guilty until proven innocent aspect. If you know your History, sounds rather like the Inquisition, which was also a case of “sovereignity”.

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      • I want America to be safe. I love the fact that I am able to make comments like this because I live in a nation where I have the freedom to speak my mind. I am against unreasonable search and seizures and so is our Constitution (the Fourth Amendment.)

        I can’t understand why any citizen would be stripped, humiliated and treated like an animal. I’m sorry that you (who did not leave a real name) seem to think that this sort of behavior against a citizen is o.k. to “make all Americans safe not just some.”

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        Yeah, that’s the way for change, just runaway. How about stand up for your rights that are already in place? That is what this land is about. People are complaining about our rights being compromised. So if you don’t like our rights, you are welcome to leave.

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      • Torus

         /  September 15, 2011

        The United States is not perfect. And, in order to make it perfect, we have to fight policies we don’t agree with and stand up for what we believe in. That is one of our rights in this country, and a right to revolution is one of the things this country is based on.

        We do this because we love our country. Blind support is not a good way to show one’s love for anything.

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  17. Audrena R.

     /  September 12, 2011

    Shoshana! Wow! I’m so sorry about your experience. Keep writing and reflecting.

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  18. I’m so sorry that this happened to you. Thank you for sharing your story.

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  19. Jason Plemons

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m so sorry this happened to you — happened at all.

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  20. teresa

     /  September 12, 2011

    I also am so sorry. I know that does not help….but I look at all of my many shapes and colors of kids at school (a high school you I understand you know well) and pray that they never have to suffer through this. It makes me angry….but I too hope to use this anger for change. Thank you for sharing.

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  21. Bill

     /  September 12, 2011

    Racial profiling is unacceptable. Sorry this happened to you.

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  22. I saw this posted on Google+. I’m so sorry you experienced this. I have some Arabic friends who’ve also been hassled because of 911. It’s a sad, sad day when people have to worry about being treated this way because of the way they look.

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  23. I’d say “Unbelievable,” but this is far too believable. I’m sorry you had to endure this, Shoshi. It makes me sick.

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  24. I’m so sorry that this happened. Celeste shared your post on FB and I’m passing it on. I was thinking yesterday that the Arab-Americans, Sikhs, Muslims, and anyone else unlucky enough to get caught in the fallout don’t have anyone commemorating what THEY went through after 9/11. And that’s not a story we’ll hear on the news anytime soon.

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    • I couldn’t have said it better myself. I wrote about the exact same thing yesterday — why is no one talking about the freedoms lost for those groups as a result of “defending America’s freedom”?

      I’m sickened that this is happening to so many around the country, and so sorry that it happened to you. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I agree with you that personal accounts will hopefully show how little progress we have made.

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  25. Not just on September 11; forget about flying. Ever. I started my boycott of airline travel in 2002 and haven’t looked back.

    We have to starve the airlines until they demand an end to this sort of abuse of due process; it’s the only way we will ever recover our human rights.

    As far as I am concerned, your ordeal is proof that Osama bin Laden won.

    And it sickens me to know this.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      Amen!

      There are other things we can do, including pressuring our elected representatives to represent _us_ instead of the TSA jobs program. But economic power is in the hands of the airlines, and only because travelers give it to them.

      Take that economic power away, and the airlines will be the first to start lobbying for sanity to be restored to our transportation system.

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  26. I can’t believe this is even acceptable, and the mindless cop that said those last lines to you, should be fired. WOW.

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  27. DFA

     /  September 12, 2011

    Dont like it? Move to the middle east, you’ll love it. Wahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

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  28. Iskandar Rabeendran

     /  September 12, 2011

    i went through 1/10th of what happened to you and I still felt horrible. i wanna be your FB friend now !

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  29. The Nuremberg trials set the precedent that “I was only following orders” is no defense.

    When we take our country back from the insane police-state thugs we need to have trials and punish those who have invaded our civil liberties like this. Their behavior is beyond contemptible.

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    • Calin Brabandt

       /  September 13, 2011

      > The Nuremberg trials set the precedent that “I was only following orders” is no defense.

      Sadly, this moral concept didn’t stick after Nuremberg and it continues to be eroded every day. It no longer exists in the “law industry,” despite the best efforts of many orgainizations, including “Oath Takers.”

      Cops and soldiers are robots. They believe their actions and the consequences of their actions are never their own moral responsibilities.

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    • Concerned US Citizen

       /  September 14, 2011

      Very good point, tjic.

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  30. Wow – I wish I could say I’m shocked at this, but I feel like shock would be naive. Still, it absolutely galls me to no end to think of innocent citizens being treated like criminals, like dirt, based on nothing other than the suspicions of others…suspicions which are based in their own prejudices.

    I am so sorry you and the two men had to go through such a despicable experience, and grateful to you for sharing it. I think it is extremely important that people see the awful results of bigoted hyper-vigilance, of marginalizing people as bogeymen based on whispers and lies, of pat refusal to believe certain people are good people. It can only lead to a bad place, no matter what they try to claim about “security” and “freedom”.

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  31. Kevin

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m so sorry. On behalf of decent americans everywhere I apologize.

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  32. Allison

     /  September 12, 2011

    To add to the absolute ridiculousness of it all, the mainstream media is reporting an event that is COMPLETELY different than your personal experience, which should shock no one and totally infuriates me: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/no-charges-against-3-deta_0_n_958150.html?ir=Denver

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    • Allison

       /  September 12, 2011

      Just to be clear, I believe you. My post was just meant to illustrate the lies that are being told about the actual event.

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      • That’s what I felt too, after reading the media report. It’s one of those typical reports that leave you with the vague notion that the govt was doing its job and that the people detained probably did something to warrant the detention. That’s terrible that for 10 years we’ve been hearing reports like this and the media has actually not been covering the detainees point of view. The media, early on, decided to side with a falsely-defined patriotism instead of journalistic integrity.

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        • BayAreaBiker

           /  September 14, 2011

          One other thing – I am never flying Frontier, EVER. Whatever ghosts this other passenger might have seen and reported the suspecious behavior of “going-to-loo-and-spending-long-time-there”, the flight attendant could have used her/his commmon sense to first enquire and then reported the men. Had they been real terrorists, they could have blown the plane right after the F-16 showed up.

          This whole show of authority was over the top and unnecessary.

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      • JayMonster

         /  September 13, 2011

        Just out of curiosity, where exactly are the “lies” that you speak of? Thee people detained on “suspicion” (based on the article, it seems the suspicious person was a Frontier Airlines Flight Attendant), and nothing suspicious was found, this after questioning, they were released.

        Yes, it sounds far more routine in the press, but, I fail to see where the comment that the press is lying comes from.

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        • Allison

           /  September 13, 2011

          The news coverage implies (and in some instances, outright states) that there was actual activity on the part of all three detainees, when there was not. Never leaving one’s seat is not suspicious.

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        • Concerned US Citizen

           /  September 14, 2011

          That attendant needs to be grounded.

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      • the articles in the mainstream press suggest that actual suspicious activity occurred, which it did not.

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    • guest

       /  September 13, 2011

      actually, the “mainstream” media reported this exactly the same way as she said – the three people were arrested because someone overacted about 2 brown men maybe spending “too much” time in the bathroom. Other than not knowing the personal details she reported here, what did the “mainstream” say differently?

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    • james

       /  September 13, 2011

      That article really isn’t any different at all. It just tells the incident from a perspective of somebody who wasn’t personally involved. I don’t think any facts in that article differ from what this woman has said – she just has more facts from what happened to her personally.

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      • St. Exuperantius

         /  September 13, 2011

        There’s a significance difference between writing that someone had been released after questioning and writing that someone had been handcuffed, locked in a cell, strip searched, interrogated, and then released. “Questioning” sounds benign and less invasive than what happened.

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  33. I am so sorry this happened! :(

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  34. I’m sorry that you had this experience, but happy that you conducted yourself so much better than I probably would have. My only question: How are the “authorities” (I sense a hint of derision when you used that word) to know the suspicions of the person who reported what they believed they saw were based on racism or stereotype?

    Should they ask you: “Are you a terrorist” and based merely on your answering in the negative, let you go on your way? Your post isn’t specific, but it doesn’t appear your search was a cavity search (which makes it no less embarrassing to you as an individual). But, again, how are the authorities to know you’re not concealing weapons or materials without a search?

    The frustrating thing about your entire situation was that you were innocent and got caught up in either a report by an outright racist or more likely, an overly-frightened citizen who probably should do a better job of looking for acts rather than skin color. But, if I am on a plane and *I* see something I really believe is suspicious, am I to only report white men who are suspicious? If I see what I THINK is suspicious activity by a person of Middle-Eastern or Southwestern Asian descent, should I dismiss it, assume I’m just profiling the person?

    Sure, your reasonable perception of the situation is that you were profiled and the big, bad authorities were completely wrong–because you were innocent. How is that to be independently verified without investigation?

    The point–I don’t think I understand how the problem you see can be “solved” without people simply not reporting anything. I guess I’m wondering: Is reporting suspicious activity ok as long the person turns out to be a terrorist? But profiling if they are not? I understand, as a white male, I have the benefit of privilege and the consequences of profiling and racism are hard for me to “feel”. But, I’d simply ask you this: Wouldn’t any other innocent person have the right to feel what you felt on a basic level–you were inconvenienced, made to feel humiliated, anxious about what was going on…but aside from the “why was I picked”, any innocent person of any race or ethnicity would feel that way, no?

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    • Chris

       /  September 12, 2011

      Well said, Corey.

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      • Thank you so much for you comment. I totally agree. Where is the middle ground? How can we be safe and still respectful? I’m sure the victims of 9/11 wish they could have been detained and humiliated but had a chance to go home and tell their families about it. I totally agree that this was awful for Shoshana. It breaks my heart, but what is the solution?

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        • Actually, the victims of 9/11 would probably have settled for locks on the cockpit door, not to mention SOMEONE paying attention to the report that said “Bin Laden determined to strike inside U.S.” with a response more serious than a month-long vacation.

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    • ADP

       /  September 12, 2011

      Actually, at Ben Gurion they’ve found just asking “Are you a terrorist?” to be very effective at screening.
      I don’t think she’s saying people shouldn’t report anything. But as long as we remain ignorant of what actually constitutes a *real* threat, we’re going to be wasting a lot of time and money on fears borne of racism.

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      • Crafty Trilobite

         /  September 13, 2011

        How about we worry less about the very remote possibility of dying by terrorist and more about the human rights of our fellow citizens? This event was so transparently motivated by racism–are we really such a nation of cowards that we willingly go along with it in exchange for a modicum of (false) security?

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        • Johnny

           /  September 13, 2011

          “those who would trade a little freedom for a little order will lose both and deserve neither.” thomas jefferseon said that. smart guy….

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        • Bhazulle

           /  September 13, 2011

          Amen Crafty. I would rather take my chances with the “Terrorists” and possibly, remotely run the risk of losing my life, (As opposed to the 1-30 chance everytime I merge into traffic) then the very real, very direct threat of living under a totalitarian government hell bent on “Protecting” me to, well, death. I’ll take my chances with my dark skinned Middle eastern neighbor. He’s a nice guy, known him since the 5th grade. I could probably take him in a fight. Verymuch doubt I could take the body armor clad jackboot kicking in my door in the middle of the night because someone may or may not have heard me swear to loud at the television set.

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    • Laurna Macnear

       /  September 12, 2011

      I’m guessing that she was thoroughly searched by TSA before boarding the plane…. isn’t that why they were there??? Tell you what, let me know your next flight and we can call ahead and arrange for you to be pulled off the plane in handcuffs, strip-searched in an open cell, not told what is going on, not allowed to contact your family or an attorney and we’ll see how safe you feel!

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    • Corey, please re read the post. The gentlemen seated next to her came under suspicion because someone thought they took a long time in the bathroom (turns out one of ‘em was airsick), and she was yanked out simply for sitting next to them. Ask yourself, if she was not brown, would she have been detained? That’s the point. Its easy to take the privelage of being presumed innocent when you’ve never experienced what its like to be presumed guilty.

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    • Wendy

       /  September 13, 2011

      The average, random citizen is no more well equipped to determine if a behavior is “suspicious” than they are to teach a class of kindergarteners or diagnose a heart condition. These mistakes in suspicion will continue to plague the “see something say something” logic until there is a well-disseminated and standardized set of activities defined as suspicious. This may be an unreasonable goal but it just illustrates the flaw made when “authorities” call for and give credence to these reports of suspicion.
      You are being ridiculous and flippant when you comment about only reporting white males making suspicious behavior. Racial profiling is unamerican and unethical, period.
      If there were statistics to support the “see something say something” policy the media would be parading them out every time a situation like this occurs. It is my “suspicion” that the vast majority of tips from folks who think they’ve observed suspicious behavior don’t ever lead to the arrest of any true terrorist.

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    • Abhi

       /  September 13, 2011

      @Corey Heim

      Dear genius, how many American citizens were in on the 911 plot? They should have simply taken her to some room(as opposed to a cell), asked her for her citizenship details, and once they found out that she was a citizen, they should have let her go.
      Clearly the person reporting her was not question much. And the way they treated her should have been in proportion of the evidence that the other person/coward gave. “I think I saw a knife in her handbag” gets you stripsearched. “Was doing stuff that most people do, except that she looks arab/asian” should just trigger a mere check of citizenship.
      Perhaps you should let us know how many American citizens carried out 911 attack. But apparently you belong to the group of brain-dead people who would strip-search and suspect the pilot too, at boarding time(clue :The pilot doesn’t needs guns or weapons to crash the plane. I had to point it out since you are incapable of thinking this by yourself apparently)

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      • Just a thought

         /  September 13, 2011

        @Abhi, Abuse of another poster in this forum is most unfortunate. Your opinions on the issue add to the discussion, abusive language and name calling do not. Respect for others is part of the issue here.

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      • No Americans were part of the 9/11 plot. But it was Americans all the way behind the Oklahoma City bombing; also consider Eric Robert Rudolph (Olympic Park bombings); Nidal Malik Hasan (the American-born, US Army-serving psychiatrist who massacred troops at Fort Hood); the Unabomber whose last name I can never spell, etc.

        Assuming that American citizenship precludes terrorist activity is just as naive, short-sighted, and troublesome as assuming that brown skin predicts it.

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        • In Respect

           /  September 13, 2011

          Thank you! Add to the list Richard Reid, the AMERICAN shoe bomber or the AMERICAN born convert to Islam, Anwar al-Awlaki who routinely calls for death to Americans and encourages attacks from “within”. Sorry, citizenship is no longer cause to assume someone “can’t possibly be a terrorist”.

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      • As I recall, Timothy McVeigh was an American citizen born and raised.

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    • You said: “The frustrating thing about your entire situation was that you were innocent and got caught up in either a report by an outright racist or more likely, an overly-frightened citizen who probably should do a better job of looking for acts rather than skin color.”

      I think your use of “or” suggest that you don’t understand what a racist is. If someone, who witnesses no suspicious acts, and yet is frightened because of nothing more than a person’s skin color, as you described in the second phrase, then they are a racist, so your options appear to be racist or… racist.

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    • The common man/woman is not an expert in terrorism and the govt should stop empowering them to think that they are. We are not the first country to be hit by terrorism and there’s a lot to be learned from other countries that have many more years of experience than we do. We also need to study world history and understand things like the Gestapo. If you don’t understand how problems can be solved without people not reporting anything, that’s ok because you’re not an expert. But at least understand the huge danger in actually having people report things and what that can lead to.

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    • Corey – that one is actually kind of easy. We have long held that the accused in this country has a right to face his/her accuser and be tried by a jury of his peers. Not reported by ‘someone’ and held & searched on account of “It’s 9/11 and people are seeing ghosts. They are seeing things that aren’t there.”

      The 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution pretty clearly discusses this. It says:
      “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

      And yeah, she kinda did make it clear that it was a cavity search
      “Because I am so violent. And pulling me off an airplane, handcuffing me and patting me down against a squad car didn’t offer enough protection. They also needed to make sure all my orifices were free and clear.” You can’t exactly check “orifices” without a cavity search.

      No one swore out an Oath, nor was there a Warrant. If you wanted to report a suspicious person outside your house? You’d have to make a statement to the police and you’d have to be willing to stand up to that in court.

      It may take a really long time for the SCOTUS to get around to actually admitting it, but if you think a warrantless strip search, where the person being detained is denied the right to legal counsel, is denied the right to know what the charges are or the grounds for this kind of search isn’t “unreasonable” then I would submit humbly that you’ve never found yourself in such a position. What if one of the people sitting in that row had been a 12 year old? Not so reasonable all of the sudden.

      If there is a person acting suspiciously near the playground of a school? You still have to be willing to make a statement to the police. If you choose to do it as an ‘anonymous tip’ somehow – the police have to then find some justification (legal justification) to get a warrant to search that person’s house – let alone his/her body cavities. The fact that the 3 people in that row were treated differently than the rest of the passengers and that the officer “walked me back to my cell, telling me it was for my own protection as they had brought in the rest of the passengers for questioning” tells you that it was based on fear. If she wasn’t guilty of anything? Why not just say loudly as you return her to the same area as the rest of the passengers “We’re sorry ma’am. We had to follow procedure. Clearly this was in error, you are free to go.”?

      From what is written here, it’s clear that the FBI agents had time to have done a background check. It’s also clear that the police were in no imminent danger of a woman handcuffed with her hands behind her back in a small locked cell somehow magically exploding some device contained inside her that she had waited to set off until the plane had landed, sat on the tarmac for 30 minutes, and been stormed by security.

      In theory, terrorists with devices like that would actually *use* it on the plane, or at least, long before the point that the search took place as opposed to waiting until finding themselves handcuffed, alone, and helpless in a cell. (p.s. ultrasound or xray is far more efficient than a cavity search and considerably less invasive.)

      The point isn’t “well how can we be sure to get the bad guys if we don’t do this?” but instead “is this approach actually netting any ‘bad guys’? If not, why are we stripping random Americans of their civil liberties and legal rights because someone on a plane has an over-active imagination?”

      Really, the security theater has got to stop now. We’ve got to grow up and use techniques proven by decades of use in places like Israel. Because there was a point in time not so long ago, that the thought of *anyone* treated that way by a government was obscene. It was the bogieman presented to young, naive travelers headed overseas “don’t do anything wrong – you might get thrown in a Turkish prison and never be seen again!” A bogieman it turns out was & is very real. But now, just as equally, someone in Turkey could say the same to his children as they head toward the U.S. now.

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      • @Lucretia, THANK YOU for this post! You are the first person to have pointed out what I thought when I first read the news article (before reading this blog post)…If Shoshana or the other two passengers had meant any harm they would have done it BEFORE they ever landed! Detaining them and “strip searching” them after they landed is like patching a whole in a boat after it has sunk to the bottom of the ocean. Too little, too late.

        I am not completely opposed to SOME racial profiling – but it should have been done before they ever got on the plane. What happened here is outrageous. Beyond absurd. And the person(s) who reported the “suspicious behavior” aught to be tarred and feathered!

        Shoshana’s “racial prejudices” that resulted while she was being detained were totally understandable. She should NEVER have been put in that position in the first place. She had done nothing more suspicious than fly on 9/11. The whole “standard procedure” stuff is bull crap and someone (maybe several someones) really screwed up in their jobs. She and the other two men who were detained deserve a formal apology from the President of the US, the airline they were flying, and the FBI for wrongful detainment and invasion of privacy. Their rights were most definitely violated!

        My husband is in the Army, currently deployed – he found this article and told me about as HE is outraged and thinks someone really screwed up. This isn’t the kind of “Freedom” he is fighting for he told me and he said that “they” should be really glad she is being so understanding about all of this!

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      • Jess

         /  September 14, 2011

        Well said Lucretia!

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    • Hey, Corey, I understand what you’re saying.

      Shoshana, I’m going to be blunt and honest about what I experience where I live. It will probably hurt you, and I ask your forgiveness. I hope it will also help us start to resolve our paranoia.

      First, look at what the complaint of suspiscion said, per Scott Wintner, a Detroit Metropolitan Airport spokesman, as reported in the NYT:

      “– multiple passengers holed up in the bathroom — led to F-16s shadowing Frontier Airlines Flight 623 from Denver as it neared Detroit. ”

      Given the existence of the Mile High Club, there was a time when “multiple passengers holed up in the bathroom” would’ve resulted in nothing more than giggles and smirks. If Homeland Security (could we have named it anything more Nazi-evocative?) believes people in an airplane bathroom together usually indicates a terrorist plot, they should simply issue a rule against it similar to those against smoking. They make the flight attendants threaten us with Federal punishment during the pre-flight talk if we don’t comply with that!

      The point is, Shoshana never was in the bathroom with her seatmates, nor they in the bathroom together as far as she knows. Some simple, discreet questioning of the passengers seated near the bathrooms by the flight attendants could have verified the untruth of the allegation, and none of this need have happened. “Has there been more than one person in the bathroom at the same time?” Duh.

      I have a feeling the profiling started during seat assignment, actually, knowing several airline employees. There’s a sense of entitlement to consider the “sensitivities” you talk about, Corey, and I suspect the three were seated together because they had “funny names”. That way, “real Americans” wouldn’t have to sit next to someone who might make them “uncomfortable”. Just lump all of “them” together where we can watch ‘em.

      What if we turned our fear on its head and behaved as if we had no fear? That would mean approaching someone we felt suspiscious about and engaging them in a friendly way. What if the accuser had simply looked Shoshana and her seatmates in the eye, smiled, and asked, “How’s it going?” There’s an awful lot to learn from body language when you do that.

      If I see someone sweating all out of proportion to the temperature, I’m gonna ask if they feel alright. I’m gonna offer to get them a cool wet paper towel from the bathroom, or a dose of aspirin. How they react to kindness will be most revealing, and then I can decide whether to get help from the authorities.

      Speaking of the authorities, how does it make anyone safer to treat a suspect roughly unless they are physically resisting? Too many cop shows where they take a person down for asking questions when they’ve been told to shut up – it’s outrageous!

      And since when do we think it’s OK to handcuff people without arresting them, Mirandizing them, and stating what they’re charged with? Since September 11, that’s when.

      The Constitution doesn’t mention “detainees”. You’re either under reasonable suspiscion (probable cause) or you’re not. This dangerous gray area is an invention that’s being used by police now to intimidate citizens into “coming down to the precinct to talk”. “If you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.” That’s complete BS, and every citizen should retain a healthy level of disdain for the authorities.

      Look, if our main concern is whether we might die in a terrorist act, we will lose this country. We must each be willing to die for our freedom or it will be taken from us. A strip search for the protection of the authorities? I thought they were all heroes, which implies bravery and the willingness to lay down their lives for Constitutional principles.

      No, the strip search is an enhanced interrogation technique meant to make the detainee feel helpless and break down resistance. If nothing else, everyone reading Shoshana’s story should contact all their elected representatives and insist that it cannot take place until a suspect is duly arrested under probable cause and is entering the jail.

      http://www.congress.org/ lets you find all your state and national representatives by just entering your zip code, and connects you with their contact information. Bookmark it. You’re gonna need it.

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    • Mike

       /  September 13, 2011

      The authorities could have asked questions or had a discussion with the three people instead of cuffing them, marching them off the plane, jailing them, strip searching them, and generally humiliating and terrifying them. There was no indication of any violence, imminent threat, or crime. So why these measures?

      That doesn’t solve the problem of nervous nellies reporting routine behavior as suspicious, but it certainly mutes the negative impacts. Police used to be skilled in de-escalating situations; now they seem only to escalate them.

      If the police had a five minute chat with the three people, the crew, and a few other passengers, we wouldn’t even be reading about this terrible incident.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        I’m friends with a policeman and I hate to say it, but they are all taught to be distrusting of everyone and are completely paranoid. And it’s not a stereotype; they are taught not to trust anyone. And it’s legal for them to lie to you in questioning.

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    • Angi

       /  September 13, 2011

      Well it would help if the proper authorities followed the dictate of our rule of law – innocent until proved guilty. This woman, and the two men, could have been taken off the plane and questioned respectfully. To be taken off, handcuffed, strip searched and put in containment based on a civilian witness’s opinion is unreasonable and against everything we purport to stand for.

      Common sense seems to have gotten lost along with our ability to react appropriately to situations.

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    • AFC

       /  September 13, 2011

      You write: “My only question: How are the “authorities” (I sense a hint of derision when you used that word) to know the suspicions of the person who reported what they believed they saw were based on racism or stereotype?”

      I’m a little dismayed that you would ask such a question. The “authorities” should simply ask them whether there is any basis for their suspicion. If the answer is “no,” then they shouldn’t detain anyone (whether they chalk it up to racism, or whatever else). If the answer is “yes,” then they should ask them what it is. If the answer to that is, “they just don’t look right to me”… well, then what do *you* think should follow?

      Basically, if there is actual evidence of criminal activity backing up a “suspicion,” then it should be acted upon. If there is no evidence of criminal activity backing up a “suspicion,” then the lack of evidence should suffice to guarantee the treatment of persons as innocents. In neither case should “suspicion” itself be in any way a criterion for any kind of action by police.

      And, frankly, I think any child should understand all that.

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    • Exillior

       /  September 13, 2011

      I agree with you. Which means that the only solution to the crucial question of “how do we know the people on this flight aren’t concealing weapons or materials” is to cavity-search everybody flying.

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    • Steve Bock

       /  September 13, 2011

      Corey,

      Every year, about 37,000 Americans die in traffic accidents. The chances of a the average American being killed by a terrorist are astronomical. We don’t strip search everyone who gets in a car and drives.

      Your euphemisms are very telling. The facts are that this woman was hand-cuffed, falsely arrested, jailed, and strip searched – for no probable cause, without reasonable suspicion, without search warrant, due process, or cause.

      You have the gall to euphemistically dismiss her ordeal as”made to feel humiliated, anxious about what was going on”.

      In fact, her civil rights were seriously violated.

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      • Ummm…..and more than 1.2 million U.S. citizens are stopped each year for suspicion of driving under the influence and released because they’re determined safe to drive. Granted, they aren’t subjected to strip searches (at least I hope not) – but that’s simply because the risk associated with your average drunk driver simply pales in comparison to the risk associated with your average mass terrorist and a more extreme vetting process simply isn’t prudent. These drivers are, however, questioned, tested, potentially humiliated, etc. Clearly the experience of a cavity search is undoubtedly more uncomfortable than a simple “walk the line” test, but the principle is exactly the same. Lots of perfectly safe drivers are pulled over fruitlessly in the name of “probable cause.” It isn’t fun. But that’s the deal – at least if you want to keep drunks off the road.

        Simple analogy. But you get the point. Now, let the name-calling begin….

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    • Corey, despite your poor choice of baseball teams (:)), you are otherwise a sharp, acute observer. Short answer – there is no clear-cut “middle ground.” There simply isn’t a “right way” for authorities to do the jobs we all expect them to do….they MUST do….without frustrating, offending and sometimes even scaring some of us. The risk is simply too great to err on the side of trust and faith. Unfortunately, we can no longer afford to be naive…a few undereducated cowards in airplanes literally ran that option into the ground ten years ago. Perhaps Shosh should aim more of her vituperation at them, since their actions were the ultimate source of her recent humiliating experience. I’m guessing Jeremy Glick and his cabin-mates would have traded a limb for some deprecating questions and a strip search, but maybe that’s just me.

      As for the aforementioned authorities violating their constitutional rights….thankfully, most of us understand clearly that the report of suspicious behavior in this particular case, given the context and circumstances, more than warranted probable cause. I couldn’t give a flip about skin color, taste in music or penchant for drinking cheap beer (quick side note: nowhere in Shosh’s account does she mention that her “accuser” is white…wouldn’t it be sad, and a bit ironic, to find out he/she was, let’s say, a little Vietnamese woman?). No, really….let me confirm….I simply do not care WHO looks like WHAT and how they prefer to cut their hair. I lost my “right” to do that when I watched a few thousand unsuspecting 9-to-5ers follow their morning coffee with a refreshing jump out of a 100+ story building. I’m sure the posters on this thread can understand….

      Anyway, thanks for your post. It’s fortunate that you represent a vast (if not ‘silent’) majority of Americans who may not be entirely comfortable with the current means of protecting ourselves but understand that a trade-off is now, unfortunately, a part of our lives.

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    • Concerned US Citizen

       /  September 14, 2011

      I guess you didn’t read her blog completely and missed this or else you don’t know the definition of orifice:
      “Because I am so violent. And pulling me off an airplane, handcuffing me and patting me down against a squad car didn’t offer enough protection. They also needed to make sure all my orifices were free and clear.”

      All my orifices means “all.” She’s already humiliated enough, so does she have to go into detail? Her statement is quite clear.

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  35. steve

     /  September 12, 2011

    Be sure to thank Obama for the change.

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    • saireygamp

       /  September 12, 2011

      sorry, this is bush/cheney change

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      • Bullshit. The Patriot Act was passed by a Democratic congress and signed by a Republican president, then re-upped by a Republican congress and Democratic president.

        At the end of the day, the TSA is run and managed by the EXECUTIVE branch of the government. If President Obama, Eric Holder, or Janet Napolitano wanted to stop these egregious violations of the fourth amendment, they could. They’ve been running DHS and TSA for three years now. It’s nonsense to blame this on Bush/Cheney.

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        • The act was definitely supported by far more Rs than Ds. Yes, Obama could use executive order to modify the agencies, but Presidents rarely institute major changes in programs instituted by their predecessors without an act of Congress, and the President’s job is to enforce law created by Congress, not to modify it. Yes, he could have vetoed the reauthorization, but the veto would have been overridden, and Presidents hate it when that happens.

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          • Some folks will really do a lot of mental acrobatics to avoid opening their eyes to Obama being Bush II, no? The fact is he has failed to lead on this, either because he agrees that Justice, Homeland Security, etc are acting appropriately in the name of “security,” or perhaps because he’s been focused on his agenda of choice: forcing Americans into a government-run healthcare scheme that many of them don’t want. But, please, the man has been President of the United States for nearly a full term now, and he started it off with Democrat majorities in both chambers; sorry, but if you want to make this a “partisan” issue, you’ll have to work harder than the above to convince me. At what point exactly do we start holding a President accountable for what he has or has not done to advance American principles? You know, things like LIBERTY? The Hope and Change kool-aid has gotten rather stale.

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        • Liz

           /  September 13, 2011

          Bullshit right back at you. Bush pushed a “if you’re not with us you’re against us” agenda and he and Cheney worked diligently to ensure that gullible Americans believed that anyone who opposed the “Patriot Act” (most definitely named that for a reason) was a terrorist sympathizer and America-hater. It was career suicide to openly oppose the Patriot Act, and Bush and Cheney made sure of it. They played on our irrational fears born of a horrific attack and they made the most of them, creating laws that stripped us of our Constitutional rights and subjecting innocent people to torture and imprisonment without charges. The actions of the “authorities” (and the derisive tone is deliberate and deserved) are the direct result of Bush and Cheney.

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    • Allison

       /  September 12, 2011

      TSA changes and the Patriot Act were begun and expanded under Bush/Cheney. Yes, they’ve continued under Obama, but they started earlier.

      But you knew that.

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      • Jess

         /  September 14, 2011

        When I voted for Obama I did so because he promised to change this. ALL of the hideous things the executive branch did under Bush, it is STILL doing.

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  36. Bk4

     /  September 12, 2011

    Photos?

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  37. Jeff Guilfoyle

     /  September 12, 2011

    Wow. Thank you for writing this, and on behalf of your FELLOW American citizens, I am truly truly sorry that you were treated this way. Know that I, a white male, feel violated reading what happened to you. What happens to one of us, happens to all of us. A little more of my faith in this country slipped away, just as the principles and beliefs our country was founded upon have slipped away. You writing this is standing up for those principles, however, and doing so publicly would have made our Founding Fathers proud.

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    • Well said, and I too feel ashamed at what happened to you. It is disgusting and appalling. I am reminded of the internment camps that Americans of Japanese descent were shuffled into during WW2. The comparison may seem a bit dramatic perhaps, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

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  38. To cap off a day of humiliation with a line like “Being a descendant of desert people, you must be used to the heat”… Well, you’re a more patient person than I am, that’s for sure.

    I’m sorry this happened to you.

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    • Steev

       /  September 13, 2011

      I don’t see him saying that, I see him apologizing for not having AC and she is saying she doesn’t mind because she is a descendent. Unless I am misreading it but that is my takeaway

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      • Yeah, I wasn’t clear on that one either – it seems like it’s her thought processes, but there are other places where quotes aren’t used to indicate who’s speaking so I’m not sure how to parse that.

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  39. Jhada Addams

     /  September 12, 2011

    Shared in many forums to help spread the word. Thank you for your bravery. I too am so sorry that this happened to you.

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  40. That’s incredibly sad and horrible. It is amazing the disruption and trouble, individual and social damage done by people reporting their “suspicions” and the people responding in this way?

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  41. And I’m so sorry that happened to you– but glad you reported on it in this way to let people know.

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  42. Bob

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am so ashamed of my country today.

    And what a disgrace to the victims of September 11 that we turned it into an opportunity to strip search and manhandle random innocents.

    These aren’t the actions of a free nation.

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  43. This is beyond outrageous. DAMN the TSA.

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    • It was the _pilot_, not the TSA who did this.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        Where are you getting that information? The pilot detained her, cuffed her, and strip-searched her?

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      • moondancer

         /  September 15, 2011

        America being a white country?
        Are you a ghost from 18th century or live in KKK county?

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    • It was Homeland Security, not TSA. It boggles the mind that DHS would take all this preventative action, when the TSA should have already ensured she had no weapons.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is an agency of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that exercises authority over the safety and security of the traveling public in the United States.[1]
        The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001. Originally part of the United States Department of Transportation, the TSA was moved to the Department of Homeland Security on March 25, 2003.
        John S. Pistole is the fifth TSA Administrator, having replaced former head Kip Hawley.[4]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration

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        • Jess

           /  September 14, 2011

          Yeah OK but the label on the uniforms of the the thugs who illegally detained and violated her says “DHS” not “TSA”. The TSA people are not qualified to perform arrests without the supervision of other agencies. (As if one could imagine anyone less qualified than those who acted in this case.)

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  44. Thank you for your account. I’m so sorry that this had to happen to you … or to anyone. This makes me even more ashamed to be an American, disgusted and very angry. Not in my country, dammit! I sincerely hope you and everyone else involved in the “50 other similar incidents across the country” will file a lawsuit over this violation of your civil rights. This paranoid insanity has to stop or we might as well just tear up the constitution and forget about ever having had any freedoms.

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  45. I’m so very sorry that this happened to you. I will be passing this along.

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  46. phyllis

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am so sorry that this happened to you. I can only hope that whoever cast dispersions on you and your seatmates was subjected to the same degree of humiliation and scrutiny that you faced. I would hope that there is an avenue for suspicious behavior to be reported, but that any such reporting be viewed by authorities to include all persons who may vouch for an accurate account of why you were viewed in a negative light. I hope you were compensated in some way for the frightening and pointless humiliation you experienced.

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  47. Nancy

     /  September 12, 2011

    thank you for sharing your experience. I would have been losing it. I was screaming while I read this. The only way to fight this is to get these stories out there. (heard about it from Nick Kristof’s tweet.)

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  48. I’m not at all surprised to read this story in the Amerika of post-9/11. I’m sorry this happened to you, but I’m glad that you were not treated even worse — Imagine if all the officers you dealt with were as stupid and ignorant as the one that gave you a ride to your car.

    I’ve shared this post on three social networks. You have my compassion and my empathy. Please never, ever stop writing of the injustices you see, even if you don’t experience them yourself, and encourage others to do the same. It’s only by spreading awareness can we hope to overcome the apathy that tells us we can’t effect any change.

    Even the first black President has wimped out at ending the Patriot Act type spying by the FBI, CIA, NSA, and so on…. as well as the unjustifiable treatment of other people whose skin isn’t lily white.

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    • Mister Aloha

       /  September 14, 2011

      Duhhh, sorry but I’m an American not a Amerikan.
      I live in America not Amerika.
      Oh, and easy for you to talk cause by your photo, your skin is “lily white.”
      I feel more for the ones that lost their lives in the 9-11 tragedy then her being questioned and strip searched, she is still alive, she still has her family. Those in the Twin Towers are not here, their family misses them. And there were “The Encyclopedia of 9/11. Total number killed in attacks (official figure as of 9/5/02): 2819″
      That’s 2,819 Americans that lost their lives cause of 4 planes that were hi-jacked…..by some of that were of the same color and race….If you ARE an AMERICAN, you will understand!
      GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.
      If you don’t like it, please leave, there are other countries that would love your citizenship.

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      • Allison

         /  September 14, 2011

        Sharing an ethnic group with terrorists does not make one a terrorist.

        Do not dishonor the memory of the 9/11 dead by invoking them to justify your support of racial profiling and Constitutional rights violations.

        Guess what? In America, we get the freedom to question and criticize our government, and don’t have to leave. That’s actually a pretty important freedom that the Founding Fathers valued.

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  49. Sorry to hear your story, but thanks for telling it. I’m a fat, old white guy from Ohio, your post gives me a perspective I wouldn’t normally see. Thanks for sharing it.

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  50. You don’t know me. A friend of mine on Google+ shared the link to your story, and I was compelled to read it. I am outraged at the way you were treated. I am shocked that this can happen in this country. I am so sorry for the way you were treated, and I hope that you will be ok. My heart goes out to you. Keep telling your story. People need to hear this!

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  51. I have a problem with patriotism, I find it agressive and dangerous. I have been pondering a world without it and think it would be good for all but then I’m reminded that religion is the real problem, hopefully in 1000 years the world will be as diferent then as it was 3000 years ago from now.

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  52. Toni Lupo Ruso

     /  September 12, 2011

    Soshana, I was shocked and saddened as I read this. We have not spoke or seen eachother since high school but I remember you as such a nice and accepting person. Not sure I could have shown the same strength in the given situation. I am proud to know you and wish to help spread the word. Your friend – Toni

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  53. kerry

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m so sorry you had to go through that: I would have been terrified!

    Fear is such a dangerous thing. I’m Canadian and I don’t think we have the same culture of fear that’s been stewing in the States in this last decade, but I still see it and still sometimes have to actively say “no” to being sucked into a lifestyle of fear. I think we’re really being taught to fear what is different or unfamiliar … and who, I guess — religiously, ethnically, politically. Even though I know better, sometimes I have to talk myself down: “no, being afraid of people who are unknown to me isn’t helpful or true or acceptable. I will not give in to the hype and the media and the unfairness. I will not be afraid.”

    I hope you are able to find peace & resolution in the wake of yesterday. I wish you blessings.

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  54. Vickie's Mom

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thank you for writing this, even though your story makes my blood boil. Those of us who are not lily white always have that little thought in the back of our head that this can happen to any of us.

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  55. Kathryn Quigley

     /  September 12, 2011

    Holy crap! This is awful. I send you a hug.

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  56. What happened to you is absolutely disgusting, and shows how paranoid some people really are. It shows the real problems of the paranoia people have increasing had since 9/11, something I’ve seen quite a lot of over time.

    It seems some of those here would have been better used at the Dallas Cowboys-New York Jets game at Met Life Stadium in The Meadowlands Sunday night, where a man was able to get a stun gun past security and incite a brawl in the stands during the game.

    There is a discussion thread about happened to you as well on the Too Smart To Fail Message Board at: http://www.toosmarttofail.com/forums/showthread.php?15546 (there is also a link from there to a discussion thread about what happened Sunday Night in The Meadowlands).

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  57. Declan McCullagh shared your post over on G+, and I am so pissed on your behalf, I can hardly see straight! I’m so sorry this happened to you! My husband is of Syrian extraction and is constantly being yanked aside for “extra screening”, but he’s never been this badly mistreated.

    On a different note, I read back an entry, and see that you are newly arrived to Toledo. As it happens, I live in Toledo, and except for a year and a half abroad, have lived here all my life. Toledo doesn’t seem like much to new transplants, but we actually have a lot of lovely little jewels hidden amongst the weeds here and in the surrounding areas. Pop me a note at Facebook – I’m logged in with it – and I’ll be glad to give you the low down on the Glass City.

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    • Will you friend me and we can chat? Thanks for the response!!–Shoshana

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      • Friend request sent! I don’t use the FB chat feature because every time I do, the whole world wants to talk, but I happily answer messages! After you add me back, I’ll send you my AIM name. Only a few people know that, it’s easier to keep up with!

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      • Shoshana, in Toledo there is a woman who has been talking out about these kind of incidents and has been working hard to educate the community and steer people away from blindly making stereotypes about people of Arab heritage. Her name is Fatima Al-Hayani, and you may want to look her up, I’m sure she would love to hear your story, if she hasn’t already. I haven’t spoken with her since I was a student of hers back in the late 90′s, but I do know that she is still very involved with the local Arab community. Here is a new article that she was featured in a few years back: http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/2007/12/14/Retired-UT-educator-sees-anti-Muslim-bias.html

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  58. OMG! What an experience. And I thought I had it bad when they detained me in Denver for asking for a flight attendant’s name who’d been excessively rude so I could write a letter of complaint. You sure you don’t have a false imprisonment charge? I’m glad you’re OK, except for the emotional trauma! Take good care of yourself!

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  59. I’d ask you to consider a different perspective — that this was not profiling, racial or otherwise, but rather the result of a *lack* of profiling. If we had real air security, instead of the theatre we engage in today, we would have professionals, trained in body language and psychology, screening people at the airport. What you experienced, which was reprehensible and inexcusable, was a result of that “report suspicious behavior” nonsense — relying on the uninformed and untrained to report things.

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    • IncensedAndPerturbed

       /  September 12, 2011

      Amen! But in order to get professional observations you need to spend more money. Though we could probably get rid of the NSA and spend money on this project and still have a lot left over.

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      • I think the money spent on the resources used to tail the plane with f-16′s, fbi and local authorities can be better spent on educating/training the tsa

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    • Melissa

       /  September 12, 2011

      Very true, Paul!

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  60. Wow. I’m speechless at this injustice… but also moved by the grace and humanity you showed throughout the ordeal.

    Not to be too cynical, but I’d look into hiring a lawyer to make sure everything was on the up and up…

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    • IncensedAndPerturbed

       /  September 12, 2011

      Everything was on the up and up. The officers were just following procedure based on legislation that the ignorant populace allowed to be instated. We don’t need lawyers we need protests to demand change.

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      • anon

         /  September 12, 2011

        With this level of Orwellian insanity, it seems unwise to say anything to a police officer. Always demand to see a lawyer

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        It was not on the up and up. The two men were the suspicious people and she was an innocent bystander. The men were innocent, too, but she was never under suspicion.

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  61. this is my first time reading your blog. got a twit link actually. i’m really saddened hear about your experience. Thank you for sharing your story.

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  62. How you were treated is horrifying. I’ve shared this on FB, SU and Twitter. I just hope this is one more smack to the head of the American people – this violation of human rights and our Constitution has got to stop.

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  63. What a horrible experience. Thank you for having the courage to write about this. I’m so glad you’re back with your family.

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  64. I saw your link posted on Missy’s Facebook page. This disgusts me, I am so sorry to hear about your ordeal. What sickens me even more is that just today, my younger brother and his new wife (both who are white and look it) travelled through TWO airports with a 6-inch hunting knife he had mistakenly left in his backpack. Security did not find the knife at the San Diego airport, nor at the Atlanta airport. Finally, leaving Miami for their international flight, it was discovered. Although I’m glad they didn’t get into trouble as it was an innocent mistake, I am horrified that a knife was brought on to 2 different flights!! They go to all this effort to harass and humiliate completely innocent people because of their race, but can’t find a knife in the x-ray machines?! It’s ridiculous.

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  65. Azazel

     /  September 12, 2011

    Find out who reported you and sue the bastard. The only way to stop this is to make them feel some consequences.

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    • Absolutely. Making false terrorism reports is, in fact, a crime. The fact is there was no “suspicious behavior”; spending “too long” in a bathroom is not suspicious behavior. I would strongly suggest seeing if you can get them prosecuted for making a false report. I know there’s a procedure for that.

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  66. Tapati

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’ve never supported the Patriot Act because racist and paranoid people can do shit like this to citizens. It’s akin to The Spanish Inquisition in that a mere accusation is enough to set it in motion. I am so sorry they treated you like this and I’m especially angry at the racist passenger(s) who instigated it. My granddaughter is half-Iraqi and my grandsons are half Mexican and I shudder to think of the bullshit they’ll encounter from people like that. Thank you for speaking out. I would encourage everyone to write to their representatives about the excesses of The Patriot Act.

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  67. I am so sorry — and infuriated — to hear of your ordeal. That’s not even an adequate word to describe it. Violation. Humiliation. Abuse.
    And all because of the paranoia and hysteria that has taken over this country.
    Every person who has ever defended the DHS, who has ever been an apologist for the TSA, who has ever uttered the monumentally stupid shibboleth, “as long as it keeps us safe!” is guilty of doing this to you. And to countless others.
    The 9/11 victimology of this country, fed by a complicit media, has got to stop. We are on a very dark path.

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  68. Thank you for sharing this. I am really sorry this happened to you.

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  69. This is intense. I am incredibly appalled and saddened that this happened to you. I just saw this link on my feed on Twitter. Someone had retweeted it. I’m sharing your story with my friends so that they know. I am so sorry that you had to go through this and I’m glad you’ve made it home now. No one should be treated like this.

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  70. s1ghk0mantiz

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thank you for writing this.

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  71. my friend also shared this on her facebook page. I am so sorry you had to deal with this.. I have also shared… I want to get the word out that this kind of thing is unexceptionable!

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  72. Jay Smooth on Google+ shared this, and I will also. I’m very sorry you had to experience this. Fear and prejudice are bad enough on their own; together, they are a terrible thing.

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  73. elaine

     /  September 12, 2011

    Amazingly awful story. But you tell it well and I hope it goes viral, to help people understand exactly how paranoia and racism work.

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  74. I’m equal parts amazed and horrified by this story. Thank you for writing about it. I don’t understand how anyone could call themselves an American and not be ashamed at the way we treat our own just to keep up the charade of security.

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  75. W Scott Lincoln

     /  September 12, 2011

    Has your story been picked up by any media outlets yet?

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    • W Scott Lincoln

       /  September 12, 2011

      I take my comment back. A simple search led to many news articles exactly as you describe. It is unfortunate that on this day we are bound by more than the patriotism everyone espouses, but also fear. Fear that will keep us bound and overpower our belief in the ideals supposedly so important to our country that makes the patriotism worthwhile.

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    • Not that I know of.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        It is being reported all over because it is an outrage. You really should hire a lawyer, especially in light of the fact that it was only the two men who were under suspicion and you got taken in the kerfuffle. If it was the flight attendant who reported it, she or he needs to lose their job for being so scared of their passengers just for going to the restroom. This person is clearly in the wrong line of work.

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        • Concerned US Citizen

           /  September 14, 2011

          Wait for a good lawyer. I bet they will be coming out of the woodwork to take your case.

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  76. I’m terribly sorry that you endured this. It’s unacceptable that so many people believe it’s OK to give up the rights this country was founded on to appease their irrational fears. The only thing I can offer you is my heartfelt thanks for sharing your experience in the hope that it will affect some kind of change for the better.

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  77. Blair

     /  September 12, 2011

    Although this is horrible, think of it this way, it wasn’t Homeland Security that profiled, it was actually some paranoid passenger on the flight. You have to realize that people are going to be extra-extra paranoid especially on 9/11. Though you do have my sympathies that it happened to you, it shouldn’t have happened.

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    • Liz

       /  September 13, 2011

      “Extra-extra paranoid” is not an excuse. That you would even say something so disgusting as “you have to realize” clearly shows that you are comfortable with that paranoia resulting in the utter shattering of the rights that “patriots” allegedly hold so dear.

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    • Sadly America as a country has made a complete economy on Paranoia!!!

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  78. I am so very sorry this happened to you. Racial profiling is proven not to work. The tactics that “Homeland Security” are using do not work. What is happening instead is injustice in the name of ‘supposed’ security. What they need to work on is building some trust and unity with other countries instead of scaring visitors and citizens. It’s totally disgusting how you were treated.

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  79. And…….the idiot who reported it as “suspicious” didn’t think that two people from the same row go to the lavatory because they’re already up happens all the time!! If you have to get up to let someone out, you may as well go too so you don’t have to disturb the other passenger/s in the row again later. Fear has replaced common sense in many situations. The result is unfair treatment of innocent American citizens.

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    • Concerned US Citizen

       /  September 14, 2011

      It sounds like one was ill and gone for awhile, so the other got up to check on him. That is what papers are reporting. She stated she took photos of the commotion outside the plane with their camera because she was at a better angle, so it sounds like she had a window seat and the two Indian gentlemen were seated beside each other.

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  80. Kent

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thank you for telling your story.

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  81. Is there not some kind of legal recourse to this? If the person didn’t report anything actually specifically suspicious, just that they were “suspicious”, isn’t that lacking probable cause, and thus false arrest.

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    • Not really. If you had to be ‘accurate’ in every suspicion you had, that would have an extremely chilling effect on both professional law enforcement and citizen vigilance against (real) criminal activity. Probable cause is just that – not nearly the same standard as ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, which is what is required for a conviction.

      The TSA officials got a ‘bad’ tip based on some racism and a lot of fear – but if they hadn’t followed up and it HAD been something, we’d be screaming just as loud.

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      • AFC

         /  September 13, 2011

        There was no probable cause here, nor did the government claim to have probable cause. Instead, the government claimed that its searches were on the basis of protection. SCOTUS has ruled that police officers can search you WITHOUT probable cause, in order to ensure you don’t have weapons with which to attack them.

        You are certainly totally incorrect, from a legal perspective, to say that anyone’s feeling of “suspicion” constitutes “probable cause.”

        You write: “The TSA officials got a ‘bad’ tip based on some racism and a lot of fear – but if they hadn’t followed up and it HAD been something, we’d be screaming just as loud.”

        In my eyes, the fact that the plane landed safely at its destination without being hijacked, proves it wasn’t hijacked.

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      • If you had to be ‘accurate’ in every suspicion you had, that would have an extremely chilling effect on both professional law enforcement and citizen vigilance against (real) criminal activity. Probable cause is just that – not nearly the same standard as ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, which is what is required for a conviction.

        The standard for law enforcement is individualized suspicion based on an objective facts indicative of probable criminal activity. The “facts” reported to authorities were that two men each spent twenty minutes in the toilet, did not reply to someone speaking to them at the door, and sat in the same row as the woman reporting her unfounded arrest, abduction, detention, search, and molestation. The power to do that is not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution.

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      • moondancer

         /  September 15, 2011

        I can’t believe some of you who can just dismiss it as a “little inconvenience”. Just read and think a little harder and imagine what it would be like if the same thing happened to you. You were handcuffed and carted off the plane while everybody looks at you like those who bombed the Twin Towers on 9/11. Forced to undress in front of a bunch of strangers and searched even in your body cavities (yes, your private parts). You were treated like the worst criminal on earth. You may be on FBI watch list for a long time after this (that means every time you apply for a job you’ll be question for it) Now, do you still think it as a “little inconvenience”?. That would scar me for the rest of my life. It’s important to put yourself in other people’s shoe once in a while. That’s what mature adults do.

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  82. I am so glad you took the time to write this up….these sorts of personal accounts are the real documentations of history.

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    • My comment was going to be exactly the same. It is SO IMPORTANT that you wrote this.
      I can’t imagine for every person who writes or talks or tweets about an experience like this, how many must be shutting up!

      Thank You and I will do my best to see this article is passed around in my part of the world.

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  83. . . . thank you for writing this!

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  84. Leslie

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am horrified and would like to use a whole bunch of expletives right now. Love your second to last line: “This country has operated for the last 10 years through fear. We’ve been a country at war and going bankrupt for much of this time.” I’d apologize for my “countrymen”- except, gee, they’re your countrymen as well. I hope we come to our senses one day and stop reacting to and through fear.

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  85. Margaret Helmick

     /  September 12, 2011

    Hey, 9/11-traveler, the nearly 3,000 people who were killed on 09/11/01 don’t get to fly anywhere, anymore, ever again. And you know what? Their “freedom” is gone FOREVER, and you complain about a few hours being detained. Where have you been for ten years? Wake Up: People who look like you DID THIS to innocent people. Get over yourself. And it sounds like you are actually PROUD your husband was able to smuggle a pocket knife on to an airplane after 9/11.

    My husband is a tall dark Italian man, with a beard and mustache, and he is pulled aside and gets a “special search” every single time he has flown since 10/11/01, no matter what the date is. That’s the price we all pay now for what your fellow middle eastern countrymen did on 09/11/01.

    Are the authorities truly supposed to ignore warnings and then take the blame later if something happens to you or your family? Are they mind readers? And apparently you also profile people by their appearance, I lost track of all of the disparaging descriptions you lauded by describing the police officials as being fat, white, and having “buzz” cuts and then continuing to rant about how you hate country music, speedboats, shitty beer can cozies, and rednecks you mentioned. Come on, now who’s racially profiling? And guess what, those same “fat belly” police men and women will be the very FIRST people you call when you need help…

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    • Batya L. Wittenberg

       /  September 12, 2011

      Ms. Helmick, you wrote the words “People who look like you did this to innocent people.” Apparently you do not consider people who look like her to BE innocent people.

      Be ashamed of yourself.

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      • squiddia

         /  September 12, 2011

        amen

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      • Glenda Hawthorne

         /  September 12, 2011

        It’s not even worth the time it takes to think of a response for people who have the mindset of Ms. Helmick. She is obviously bought into the whole “rule them by fear” mentality that was foisted onto the American people throughout the last decade. She is ruled by fear and hate.

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      • This! So many times this.

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    • Dash

       /  September 12, 2011

      I can’t wait until they do it to you, Margaret. We’ll see how quickly you change your tune.

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    • Why would you even take the time to make a disgusting comment like this? What she was writing about here are that paranoia and hate are ALWAYS wrong, as is judging people by their appearance. Never at any point did she downplay the horrific events that occurred on that date 10 years ago. In fact, she even made a comment about how afraid she was when she thought that there was some sort of terrorist activity taking place on the plane – completely unaware that the commotion was because of her and neighboring passengers. If you actually read/comprehended this eloquent, intelligent story, you would have gathered that.

      She was not pulled aside and searched in line, she was removed from a plane by armed officers, placed in a cell and strip-searched because of the color of her skin. Also, for the record, she is an American, just like you.

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    • Kate S

       /  September 12, 2011

      Are you intimating that she should “pay the price” of being strip searched and detained forcibly because of what she looks like? Really? Are you comparing the minor search your husband receives, and your resulting momentary inconvenience, to what she experienced? Are you aware that she, and others who have experienced this type of profiling, will now most likely have an FBI record for the rest of their lives due solely to having the audacity to fly on a plane with a dark complexion? She describes the clothing and general appearance of just about everyone involved in this incident, perhaps she was trying to set a scene and give details to bring the story to life for her readers. How dare a writer do such a thing. I applaud the rest of the people who managed to read your post and not comment, as I have no doubt you will remain safely in your hate filled little bubble of judgement and generalizations. I, for one, am sure I will regret engaging in such a juvenile squabble, but….Post comment it is.

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    • Bailey

       /  September 12, 2011

      Margaret Helmick, you’re an idiot.

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    • Jan

       /  September 12, 2011

      I can’t believe that you would write such an article merely because you were inconvenienced for a few hours. You were treated with kindness and respect by those officers. Those men and women put their lives on the line everyday to keep us all safe. Your aweful quips about their haircuts and beer bellies was disgusting. You have no idea how lucky you are to be an American. If the same event had unfolded in another country like Saudi Arabia you may well have been beaten and tortured. Lastly, you have some nerve comparing yourself to Malcome X. You are pathetic.

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      • Allison

         /  September 12, 2011

        And if the same experience had happened on Mars, the situation would have been totally different!

        That argument is really not a good one. It happened here, to an American who was detained for her appearance only. Just because she was “only” detained, strip searched, and interrogated, and not also raped and tortured does not make it right or acceptable.

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      • Bailey

         /  September 12, 2011

        Hmmm… yes, things might have been different if she was in Saudi Arabia. But isn’t that the point — in America we have certain freedoms and rights and this woman was not only in America, but also an America citizen. So, I think your argument is pretty weak.

        Just because an officer is nice, does not justify a baseless incarceration based on racial profiling and not suspicious actions.

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      • SilenceDogood

         /  September 12, 2011

        Oh, boy, it looks like there’s a full moon out tonight!

        Jan, I can’t believe what an idiot you are. Because someone is nice while they strip search someone doesn’t make it appropriate, or even noble, as you imply.

        “Those men and women” don’t put their lives on the line, they drum up fear and ignorance in the name of 9/11 hysteria.

        Let me ask you something, if you were around in the 1800′s, would you just have easily chastised a runaway slave for complaining of treatment because the nice officer who returned her to her master was so nice? After all, those were the rules!

        Thankfully people eventually stop listening to dimwits like you.

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      • Max

         /  September 13, 2011

        She was handcuffed and stripped against her will. How is that “treated with kindness”? That’s sexual assault.

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      • bigyaz

         /  September 13, 2011

        So just having skin of a different color is a good enough reason for someone to be cuffed, dragged off a plane and strip searched? In our America? No, that’s not acceptable. And you wouldn’t think so either if they started targeting stupid white people.

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      • GrammarPolice

         /  September 13, 2011

        It’s Malcolm X damn it!

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      • Sarah

         /  September 13, 2011

        You weren’t in the same situation as her. I’d like to know what gives you the authority to say of someone else’s situation that you took no part in, that they were treated with “kindness and respect”? You also can’t speak on behalf of Saudi Arabia. Have you been there? What do you know or should I say what do you think you know that can be proven by people who live there?

        I live in the same country as people like you? I’m embarrassed. It’s comments like these that make me want to hide my US passport in a drawer out of shame. The next time I look at an American flag it won’t be out of pride. I’ll be shaking my head in shame thinking of how the Internet runs rampant with ignorance such as yours.

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      • Jen D

         /  September 13, 2011

        Jan, Shoshi never compared herself with Malcom X; she drew from his example and decided to write about her experience. Regarding the “aweful (sic) quips” – she was relating her feelings during the incident. I think Shosi has every idea of “how lucky (she) is to be an American.” She has traveled extensively and has a balanced view of the world, from my point of view.

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      • Chetan

         /  September 14, 2011

        You obviously didn’t read the post. Dumping an innocent person in a cell and strip searching them (violating their constitutional rights, I might add) is being treated with respect? And the only thing you’re offended by is her talking about how she felt in the middle of it?

        Yeah, it would have been worse in Saudi Arabia, but I’d like to think the bar is a little higher over hear.

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    • Summer

       /  September 12, 2011

      A “special search”? Come back and let us know how you feel when your husband gets arrested and detained for hours for being a “tall dark Italian man.”

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      • Or shipped off to a foreign country to be brutalized by the security forces there while his home nation negotiates to get him back, a process which took well over a year.

        That’s what happened to Maher Arar, a Syrian born Canadian engineer who made the mistake of talking to the wrong man in a shopping mall and became a victim of rendition.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

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    • Sean Race

       /  September 12, 2011

      I really hope this is not a serious comment. But, please, please do not call upon the peaceful dead to further your obviously ignorant agenda. There is a major difference between mourning the dead and trying to prevent it happening again and obstructing others’ freedoms so that a bunch of fat, white middle class Americans can feel safe when they get on an airliner.

      Her rights were violated, quite clearly, only because she happens to share the same skin color as some radicals who blew up a couple buildings a DECADE ago. Hey, here’s an idea: Should we pull any poor or lower middle class white people aside because Timothy McVeigh blew up a government building in Okla. City? Or perhaps anyone of Irish heritage because they could possibly be in love with the ideology of the 60s-70s IRA. Would that make you feel safer?

      I hate to say this, but you may be a racist.

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      • SilenceDogood

         /  September 12, 2011

        As a fat, white middle class American, I support Sean Race’s comment 120%!

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      • Markus

         /  September 13, 2011

        As a white, Catholic-baptised male, I can’t remember the last time I was hassled at an Enterprise because “someone who looks like me” used a rental van to blow up a federal building. I use the McVeigh comparison all the time, myself, because it perfectly demonstrates how a white man killing Americans (even the guy who *flew a plane into the IRS building* a while back) is “a nutjob” while anyone who even looks Middle Eastern is an immediate suspect.

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    • squiddia

       /  September 12, 2011

      Margaret Helmick, your conscience has been influenced by the fear mongering… and you are a minority here in the comments section :)

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    • amanda

       /  September 12, 2011

      @ Margaret Helmick: The terrorists have succeeded in making you as hatred-filled as themselves.

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    • I agree with you Margaret, this gal is a racist who hates white people, yet moved to a white country because it’s the best damn place in the world! Sheesh! How’s about this: We all segregate ourselves into nations based on what we look and act like. Then we we can trust those like us and not trust those who are different! Diversity is DIVISIVE!

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      • GreenJello

         /  September 13, 2011

        Huh. I was molested by 3 WHITE people growing up. My father was physically abusive to me. He’s WHITE, too. My friend was raped by a WHITE male. Some WHITE teenagers broke into my garage and stole some things.

        Yeah, segregation really helps us to be able to cut down on crime and feel safe with “our own kind”. Whatever. Low-life scum are in all races, all places on this earth.

        You, Dan Bullard, are a racist.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        This is one of the most idiotic posts I’ve seen on the Internet, and that’s saying quite a lot.

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      • Andrea

         /  September 13, 2011

        Um, Dan, this is not a white country. This country was built on the backs of black people, Chinese people, and Mexicans. The United States is the best damn place in the world because millions of immigrants and slaves generated its wealth and never benefited from their labor. Learn something about history. Further you should really examine what you mean by “white.” Who is white? Who are your people? And how do white people act?

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      • Markus

         /  September 13, 2011

        Is it ironic to chastise a brown-skinned woman for moving to a nation full of white people whose ancestors massacred a bunch of brown-skinned people who were already living there? Or just good old fashioned ignorant and racist?

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      • You’re missing some lead in your diet. Perhaps you should take a supplement. I recommend a .45 caliber slug, taken orally.

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      • Bhazulle

         /  September 13, 2011

        Methinks they missed the \sarcasm \end sarcasm Dan.

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      • Jen D

         /  September 13, 2011

        Yo. Dan. Were you aware that Shoshi grew up in Southern California and is an American by birth? Yeah. I didn’t think so. Do some research before spouting off.

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      • Jess

         /  September 14, 2011

        Wow I haven’t seen a site this easy to troll since like 1996. “Dan Bullard” is a spoonerism.

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        • Allison

           /  September 14, 2011

          I tend to hang out on sites that are pretty resistant to trolls. Given that Dan’s post wasn’t too far different from some of the other posts here in which the posters (as far as I can tell) were being absolutely dead serious, I don’t think we should be condemned that quickly. I have actually seen and read comments about diversity being dangerous that are pretty close to this post and that were heartfelt beliefs.

          Be gentle with us :)

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    • Wow, you’ve really drunk the Kool-aid, haven’t you, Margaret Helmick? We have rights in this country that were actually taken away by the USA Patriot Act – your rights too, by the way. Someone else mentioned that this was not so much an issue of profiling but of bad profiling and I agree to a certain extent. If you think the author of this blog who had the grace & eloquence to write about her traumatic experience deserves this treatment because she looks like the people who perpetrated 9/11 (who, by the way, are not her countrymen; Americans are her countrymen), then what about the two Indians sitting next to her? If you think Indians and Arabs look alike, you need to travel more. And hopefully, when you travel, you will not be treated badly for what your country (OUR country) has done to other countries.

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    • Brent

       /  September 13, 2011

      So by your logic every time you drive a car, you should be pulled over because “people who look like you” bombed the federal building in Oaklahoma City “to innocent people.” Every time you get near a hospital, you should be stripped search because “people who look like you” have bombed abortion clinics (still terrorism despite beliefs)”to innocent people.” Every time you are near a school you should be detained because you may be the next Anders Breivick. And you should take this type of treatment with a big fat smile on your face.

      What is worrisome is that this is the current state of our Homeland Security. Racial profiling is not only a travesty because it treats those arabs and those who look like arabs as second class citizens but it makes it easier for non arab looking individuals and groups to commit terrorism (ref Anders Breivick).

      To Shoshana, I am horrified by your treatment and I am equally horrified by the ignorance some have displayed in you comments. Thank you for sharing your story.

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    • Actually, you appalling troll, her “fellow countrymen?” That’s us. You and me. American citizens. You’re trying to paint her with the ugly brush because she looks different and you’ve got baggage about what happened, because if you succeed, it’s okay to be a bigot who won’t read what’s in front of her. If she’s guilty, my lily-white ass is too. And being as I’d rather stand with her than with you, I think I can make my peace with that in short order.

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    • Angi

       /  September 13, 2011

      Troll.

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    • A woman’s rights were violated for no good reason, and she reported feeling some non-charitable thoughts towards the people who were doing this to her, and the thing that offends you is that she wasn’t deferential enough IN HER OWN MIND to her white masters.

      You are the enabler of fascism.
      You are the enemy of liberty.

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    • Liz

       /  September 13, 2011

      You are an idiot. The author is a US citizen. Period. The terrorists were not her “fellow middle eastern countrymen.” The author had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. And your husband has never, ever, been imprisoned and strip searched, so STFU. YOU should leave the US, because YOU are the anti-American — as evidenced by your complete disdain of civil rights.

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    • What To Do?

       /  September 13, 2011

      You go Margaret!!!

      The 9/11 passengers cannot cry out and I bet they wish they could and I bet they wish someone would have profiled the terrorists. So sad that 1 voice will be remember over the 3,000 silent ones.

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      • Allison

         /  September 14, 2011

        Ms. Shebshi was not one of the 9/11 terrorists, nor was she involved with them, nor was she engaged in terrorist activities.

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    • Chetan

       /  September 14, 2011

      You don’t think extremist groups couldn’t find someone to blow them self up who looks like a Wisconsin dairy farmer?

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    • Her fellow Mid Eastern countrymen? Margaret Helmick, your entire post is so full of crap it would take an hour to point out the absurdities in it. Some racist gets terrified because 3 dark brown people are in a row on an airplane and next thing they’ve got fighter jets scrambled, a SWAT Team waiting and after all the BS, even the FBI admits people are seeing things that aren’t there.
      I mean this post was buttugly stupid but that comment about her fellow MidEastern countrymen should get you some kind of redneck award for being dumb as a brick.

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    • Concerned US Citizen

       /  September 14, 2011

      People who look like her got hauled off to death camps in Germany, too. 18% of the people who died on 9/11 look like her. She is half Jewish. Jews were targets of the 9/11 attack. Are you going to blame her for that?

      Her description of people was her showing irony due to her being profiled for her looks.

      Sheesh, show some compassion.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44501310/ns/us_news-security/?GT1=43001

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    • Whoa. You’re fellow middle eastern countrymen? Please! I highly doubt that whoever you are referring to in this post associates themeslves with the radicals that started this nighmare that we call Homeland Security.

      I’m as white as white can be, born and raised in the US. I’m well educated, God fearing, care about my manners, respect the law, and expect the law to respect me. I travel with my family, on business, and with friends on vacation about 20 times a year. And every time I travel I get frisked. Every single flipping time! I’m 6’2″, 250lbs, brown hair, brown eyes, no tats, one wedding ring, no record (well, I got a speeding ticket once), haven’t traveled out of the US since 9/11. I can’t even get a dark tan and pretend to be a different race! I hate beer coozies, and mean readnecks – or maybe it’s just mean people in general I hate.

      I grew up the minority and was racially profiled for being white. In my teen’s and 20′s I lost jobs to Hispanics and African Americans. I was turned down for my first job as a dishwasher and told point blank, this is a job for a Mexican not you. So suffice it to say that I get what this feels – and looks like. And if you’ve never been on that end of the stick, you too (yes, even you who are married to a tall Italian) will never understand what it means to be pushed aside and/or singled out simply because of your skin. It sucks. It’s maddening. It makes you say things about people who are abusing you that boggle even your own educated mind.

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  86. this is a direct result of american capitulation to fear and terror after the attacks. from the top (W. and Cheney) down we have failed to learn anything of significance; the aftermath should have been handled better. sorry for the horrors inflicted on you and those with you on your flight.

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  87. Lauren

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m so angry on your behalf. I recently re-listened to a radio show, This American Life, which detailed the bullying and abuse of a young Muslim girl after the Sept. 11th anniversary…the show is available to listen to for free here : http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/322/shouting-across-the-divide?act=1 . I’d highly recommend it, for the original author of this post and for anyone commenting on it.
    What you read here is NOT an isolated incident because of the particular date. It is part of a long history of discrimination and disrespect on the part of most Americans towards Arab people, or people who look like them may be of Arab descent.

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  88. Just Some Guy

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m so, so, so very sorry.

    We lost our collective minds sometime in late 2001. We have been acting like sociopaths ever since.

    It’s no excuse.

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  89. Everyone is linking to this. Thank you for sharing this story. I’ve included the link in “My 9/12 Blog” on my Website, http://generationbsquared.com.

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  90. We were joking about this earlier, but I am stunned after reading about you experience. I am sorry this happened to you.

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  91. Nicholas Kristof posted a link to this on FB; you don’t know me, but I am glad he did because this post affected me profoundly.

    I am American-born and Caucasian, and happen to be on a layover on an international flight. I was able to go through a TSA scanner with my dignity intact and even joked about Yankees v. Mets with the TSA agent as he was processing me. I also could make the mistake of not taking my keys out of my pocket and be corrected for it, without feeling like I was being judged. That’s white privilege, and I don’t think I fully realized how lucky I am. I never thought I *deserved* this treatment, it just didn’t occur to me how real and how different the reality was.

    So thank you for raising my awareness. I may also blog about this once I reach my destination (don’t want to jinx myself while at the airport, bashing the security state!). I did want to thank you for your experience. Not for going through it but for having the courage to share it, you know?

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 12, 2011

      Why in the world would you go through a scanner anyway?

      Strip searches, even electronic ones, aren’t cool.

      They are also totally ineffective.

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      • It’s that or get manhandled, sometimes.

        Also, x-ray scanners are a different thing and will go off with keys in pocket.

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        • Liz

           /  September 13, 2011

          I’ve been subjected to breast fondling even after the nekkid picture, because the Rhodes scholar who read my x-ray apparently had never seen an underwire bra. So the nice TSA lady felt me up. Guilty until proven innocent, that’s the American Way.

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  92. Well, I certainly hope someone publishes the name of the person who reported you, so we can all have our shot at subjecting him/her to the same type of treatment.

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 12, 2011

      I hope the author gets an attorney and teaches the rest of these cowards that brown people are Americans, too!

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  93. After reading this I can’t think of the words strong enough to tell you how sorry I am that this happened to you. The burden of 9/11 has fallen so heavy on so many that don’t deserve it.
    Thank you for writing this…I will share it.

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  94. I am so, so sorry.

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  95. FlickDude

     /  September 12, 2011

    You absolutely MUST look to pursue this legally. From your description, your rights as a US citizen have most definitely been violated, as has your body. On absolutely no grounds other than a report from a clueless, fear-mongered fool.

    Please, do not stop here. This level of xenophobia is inexcusable. We have to stop. The government has to stop before people begin to beat people in the streets for simply being “brown”.

    My heart is broken for you. Thank you for having the guts to tell the story, and please don’t stop there. I have shared this as well via Twitter.

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    • Thank you for your sentiments. I have some people looking into it.

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      • I am so very glad to hear this. I am only a paralegal, but as I read (and cried) through your account, I mentally ticked off violations of law and basic constitutional rights and could only hope you would seek further counsel.

        Like 99.9% of the other posters, I am so very sorry this happened to you – or to anyone else. I am simply stunned, appalled, nauseated, and angry that our country has turned into this police state. See something, say something has become nothing more than state-sanctioned racisim and terrorism and only the innocent have been caught up in this horrible dragnet. Soon, it won’t even be racism – anyone, no matter what the skin color, who disagrees or speaks up against the fear machine will soon find themselves undergoing a cavity search, too.

        Thank you so very much for having the fortitude to write this up and post it. I’m glad you have a support system in place as you process this experience and deal with the more-than-likely fallout. I sincerely hope that this helps bring awareness of how far we’ve fallen and I’ll post this link on my FB (in addition to Twitter, etc.) to get the message out there.

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      • I am so very glad to hear this. I am only a paralegal, but as I read (and cried) through your account, I mentally ticked off violations of law and basic constitutional rights and could only hope you would seek further counsel.
        Like 99.9% of the other posters, I am so very sorry this happened to you – or to anyone else. I am simply stunned, appalled, nauseated, and angry that our country has turned into this police state. See something, say something has become nothing more than state-sanctioned racisim and terrorism and only the innocent have been caught up in this horrible dragnet. Soon, it won’t even be racism – anyone, no matter what the skin color, who disagrees or speaks up against the fear machine will soon find themselves undergoing a cavity search, too.

        Thank you so very much for having the fortitude to write this up and post it. I’m glad you have a support system in place as you process this experience and deal with the more-than-likely fallout. I sincerely hope that this helps bring awareness of how far we’ve fallen and I’ll post this link on my FB (in addition to Twitter, etc.) to get the message out there.

        My apologies for how our country, the airline personnel, your fellow passengers, and DHS/law enforcement treated you, a U.S. citizen, and the other two individuals.

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      • Liz

         /  September 13, 2011

        I hope you pursue this. I believe that this is exactly the sort of situation that could finally lead to a SCOTUS review of the horrors that are being inflicted upon innocent citizens that are in complete violation of the Fourth Amendment. This can’t go unchallenged.

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  96. Michelle

     /  September 12, 2011

    One of my friends posted this on Facebook, and I followed the link. This is awful! I hope nothing like this ever happens to you again. It’s unfair that it happened to begin with. The person who reported you is clearly pretty small minded and racist. Paranoia doesn’t excuse that sort of behavior. I’ll share this on my Facebook, too, to get stories like this out!

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  97. james graham

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m sorry you had to experience that but the fact that you are an intelligent, articulate and clearly loving person, and are willing to share the story is significant. Thank you for your courage.

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  98. Thanks for sharing this story…I saw it on Mark Armstrong’s FB feed and was horrified reading it. Hope it’s ok if I pass it on; I feel like the only way these things have a chance of stopping is to share real stories. So glad you are safe.

    Annie
    (from way back at Cal Poly)

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  99. John

     /  September 12, 2011

    This is small, but I am so sorry.

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  100. I don’t know what to say. A line from a song rang through my head while I was reading your story, my breath held in outrage: “Land of the free… but not me.”

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  101. This is crazy Shoshi! Justin and I read a news report last night after we saw your 3 tweets to see what had happened. All we saw was that 2 men and 1 woman were detained. I can’t believe that was you! I’m happy to hear that you’re safe and home again, and I’m so happy that the boys weren’t with you. Stil in awe…

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  102. James

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thanks for so eloquently sharing your written account. This made my experience with the government tame by comparison, but I still feel violated all over again by reading this. I can sadly tell you that it’s not just darker-skinned folks who get this treatment, it’s anyone and everyone they choose. I have shared your story and hope that others will share their accounts. I am truly ashamed of the legacy our country is leaving for the world…

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  103. Jessie

     /  September 12, 2011

    Nicholas Kristof posted this on Facebook. I wish that our country was better than this, and my heart goes out to you. I thank you for channeling your anger into this piece.

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  104. I was completely nauseated by the time I got to the end of this story.

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  105. May

     /  September 12, 2011

    Wow….I’m not sure I would have been able to stay calm.
    I’ve always refused to believe that I might one day be a racial profiling victim. As I travel through the US and Europe, I am mostly not concerned about being singled-out. I guess I’ve convinced myself that somehow I would get treated like any average N American. I even refused to acknowledge the fact that the only reason I wasn’t able to check-in and print my boarding pass online or at the airport was simply because I was born in Arab country. On my way to LA, I was informed that I was “randomly” chosen to pass extra security. It might be random, but now I know that if I was Kate Jones from Maryland, married to Jeff Williams, I would have been able to check-in online.
    I’m so glad that you wrote this blog and that it is being shared on FB and Twitter. Maybe your story and others like it will help change this obviously flawed system that they call homeland security.

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    • May

       /  September 12, 2011

      By the way I’ve shared your article on FB. And so did this great NY Times journalist.

      Nicholas D. Kristof also shared a link.
      Say it ain’t so: A woman is arrested and strip-searched for flying while half-Arab on 9/11? http://t.co/74N8Ol9 What’s the lesson here?

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  106. I understand the jumpy nature that all of the media’s cries of “potential 9/11 terror threats” instilled in us. I do. But what you suffered because of your ethnicity I find unforgivable, appalling, shameful. George Carlin once said that airport security exists solely to make white people feel safe. We need to guard our airports, sure…but we need to guard them from terrorism, not from People Who Look Like They Might Be From the Middle East, God Forbid.

    You are an amazing individual for handling this disgrace with as much dignity as you have showed. I’ll be sharing your story and conveying my admiration.

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  107. I hate to ask, but what color was the crew?

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  108. A report of “suspicious behavior????”
    Good thing some anonymous tipster didn’t denounce you as a witch.
    What, we’re going to have SWAT teams deploy now every time somebody farts during the national anthem? Land of the brave, indeed.

    This Nazi crap is completely unacceptable.

    sj

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  109. dan

     /  September 12, 2011

    While I’m sorry you had to go through with this ordeal, I urge you to think of the reason for it. If someone had correctly reported the suspicious behavior of the 9/11 hijackers that day, history might have been quite different. Nobody that reported you knew you, or had anything against you personally. Yes it is unfair, but when people are bent on destruction and will kill planeloads of innocent civilians without thinking twice, not everything can be fair.

    I think the officials involved treated you more than reasonably, given the situation, and your only beef should be with the trigger-happy person that reported you. Taking the incident beyond that seems like a stretch.

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    • So Dan, what was it exactly that SHE did that caused someone to report “suspicious behavior?” Oh, that’s right, she sat next to two other dark-skinned individuals. On the anniversary of 9/11. Now that’s suspicious!

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    • dan, you are what’s wrong with this country.

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    • Would it have really? Sounds to me like the plane landed at its final destination – if they’d let those ill-fated planes continue to theirs, I think we would have had the same outcome, yes?

      It’s just security theatre.

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    • Liz

       /  September 13, 2011

      WHAT??!!! Treated her “reasonably”??!! Are you insane??!! She was stripped and cavity searched!!! What is WRONG with you people????!!!! Please get the hell out of the US and leave it to people who TRULY value our FREEDOM, not just our safety.

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    • Jess

       /  September 14, 2011

      The “authorities” were informed numerous times of the actually-suspicious behavior of most of the 9/11 bastards. If you believe the state enforcement apparatus exists to protect the average citizen, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you, real cheap.

      It isn’t clear that there was actually a suspicious passenger. They certainly haven’t produced one.

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  110. IncensedAndPerturbed

     /  September 12, 2011

    I hope, for you sake and for the sake of all humanity, that ignorance is eradicated. Was touched by your story. Sorry for what you’ve been through.

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  111. Jay

     /  September 12, 2011

    So, wait a minute. Lemme see if I got this right:

    -You are of a ethnic group that is known to be “racially profiled” because of 9-11.
    -You chose to fly on 9-11, and sit alongside others of suspicious ethnic groups.
    -You were “racially profiled” because people of your ethnic group blew up almost 3,000 of our people, people that never even heard of Osama bin Laden before.
    -You then proceed to complain about a violation of your “civil rights” when in fact, none of them were violated. Ever travel to Israel? They go through what makes what you did pale in comparison, and they have the safest flights in the world.

    So you purposefully chose to fly on 9-11, knowing the atmosphere in our great country being how it is, and ESPECIALLY on this day when we were attacked by the likes of your people and you dare to complain about the measures put in place to guard us from the likes of you? Please.

    You have NO room to complain, and I, for one, am glad that I chose to report you and the likes of you. I had a safe flight, content in the knowledge that I didn’t have to watch that section out of the corner of my eye the whole flight, and wondering if this would be the last flight I ever took. You deserved exactly what you got, you sympathizer, and if you don’t like what we are doing here to keep US safe, then go back home.

    -A real USA citizen

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    • Batya L. Wittenberg

       /  September 12, 2011

      Jay, I can’t tell if you’re trolling or if you really are this contemptible.

      If the former, you are what’s wrong with the internet. If the latter, you are what’s wrong with my country.

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    • Bailey

       /  September 12, 2011

      Incredibly un-American comments here. A “real” American appreciates freedom and a person’s freedom to fly whenever she chooses, especially when that person is a law-abiding citizen. A “real” American does not judge an entire ethnic group comprised of millions of people based on the actions of a few. (By your logic, all Americans should be judged on the actions of Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudulph, or the Unibomber?) A “real” American does not tell a fellow American citizen to “go back home.”

      Also, for the record, I don’t know how she “chose” to sit next to “others of suspicious ethnic groups” given that the seating decision is determined by the airline. And since when are Indians a “suspicious ethnic group”? India is a huge ally of the United States and Indians were not involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

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      • What I object to is the notion that “her” ethnic group killed 3,000 of “our” people. So no people of Arab or Jewish descent were innocent victims of the terrorists on 9/11? How simple your world must be.

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      • Yes, Bailey. 100% And it’s the ignorant, hate mongers like Jay who killed a Sikh after 9-11 in Phoenix, a hard working gas station owner making a contribution in the community. They killed him in retribution to 9-11, in their complete supidity, apparently thinking a Sikh would be a buddy of Osama Bin Laden. I speak Arabic & Spanish. If everyone spoke 3-4 languages, maybe we would not be so tribal and backward in this country.

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    • Allison

       /  September 12, 2011

      Since when do people get to choose who they sit beside on a plan, unless they are traveling together? OHHH, you assumed that because they all have dark skin, they know each other.

      News tip: she can’t “go back home.” She IS home. She IS American, as much as you would like to deny that dark-skinned people can be American.

      People who look like me (and you, I’m assuming) killed a bunch of Native Americans and owned a bunch of Africans as slaves. Shared appearance is no basis on which to judge someone’s character.

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    • Summer

       /  September 12, 2011

      “when we were attacked by the likes of your people”?

      Dear vile piece of 100% USDA American excrement,

      You don’t deserve to be an American citizen. You’re a nasty, selfish, ignorant bastard who enjoys that privilege by an unfortunate accident of birth. I would trade 1,000 of you for one Shoshanna, but not before I punched you in the face repeatedly for my own satisfaction. I hope you are as miserable and unloved as you sound, and I hope you stay that way for the rest of your disgusting, worthless little life. I am ashamed to share this planet with you and anyone you may have poisoned with your ignorant hatred, and I would rather die than see my America overtaken by “the likes of you.”

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        Well, while he is what you said, violence is part of the problem. Part of the privilege of being an American is freedom of speech. I don’t like what he said either, but I hope he becomes less miserable to be around.

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    • Repulsive, Jay – this country would be so much better if nobody thought like you.

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    • Jay, you’re a pathetic nitwit.

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    • I am a “real USA citizen” just like you Jay and I am disgusted by the behavior and sentiment you are exhibiting here to another “real USA citizen” as she practices her right to free speech after an unreasonable search and seizure which is a clear violation of her rights as a “real USA citizen.”

      She has every right to complain, just like you have every right to share your racist, xenophobic comments. She was traveling in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen. This did not take place in 1984 by Orwell and this did not take place in 1960′s U.S.S.R. This happened in American, to an American and it should not have!

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    • “real” USA citizen:
      You redneck idiot. It’s people like you that welcomed the Nazis in in Germany.
      Are you really saying that because she looked vaguely arabic she should have forgone her right to fly, as a free American citizen, on any given day she chose to? Are you truly suggesting that she should downgrade herself because of the fears of what people like you hold?
      America is in the grip of fear, and fear makes you weak … your weakness disgusts me.

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    • Jeremy Shapiro

       /  September 13, 2011

      Well I thought this blog post was the most sickening thing I’d read today, and then I read Jay’s response. I feel so lucky – so incredibly lucky – that I won the skin pigment lottery and thus am not the target of filth like him in my own country. Just gross, gross and sad.

      To the author, for what it’s worth I asked a trial lawyer friend of mine about your experience, and he had this to say:

      “I don’t really know. It’s a witch’s brew of national security, terry stops, FAA regs, and her consent. I think if she had stopped talking and asked for a lawyer things may have been interesting. Which isn’t to say she still doesn’t have a claim, but I’m simply not as knowledgeable as I’d like to be for these situations. Her tacit engagement (sadly) doesn’t help her case, but at the same time there are limits. I’d be happy to take it to court anyway and make them prove their case.”

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    • mike

       /  September 13, 2011

      Hey Co*k S*cker – get your facts right, it is people of your color who did 9/11 – used a bunch of sand n*ggers to execute it – so that they can get slaves like you buy into their elitist agenda of plundering the wealth of the nation and feed their greedy military industrial complex buddies – banker and the likes. You moron, today its some sand n*gger, tomorrow its us. Think you are safe, well wait till you are homeless, injected with retardation viruses (maybe also done that in your case), fed genetically modified cow dung, and told you are living a free and happy life – which you will most like believe.

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    • This comment made me feel literally sick to my stomach.

      I’m sorry you had to go through the humiliating and terrifying experience with the DHS, and I’m even more sorry that small-minded bigots are now bashing you, here on your own blog, for speaking out against the violations of your rights.

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    • M&M

       /  September 13, 2011

      AMEN…….(as we say in the US!) to Jay who commented on 9/12 @ 9:07pm.
      For those of you who are so sad that this happened to these people on this flight where the hell were you 10 years ago on 9/11. Have you forgotten the pit inside you? Maybe you had no feeling of sorrow for our country that day or the people who we lost. Talk about UN-AMERICAN!
      Thanks to the FBI and the crew members and the Air force who were doing their jobs at keeping those on that flight and others safe.

      Sweetie….Jay is right. You were born of the ethnic group that is “profiled” in this the GREAT country. Why would you choose to fly on 9/11? I feel sorry and sad that you had to go through what you went through, however….yes there are many Americans who will be on guard FOREVER because of 9/11. Sorry you are of the “ethnic group” that we are on guard from. Wouldn’t it be nice to say we trust everyone again? Don’t get this guy Jay wrong, I am sure there have been times when he has wondered if he were safe around some of the White Trash Americans too! However just a little advice in case you haven’t learned. If you don’t want to be profiled there are 364 other days a year you could fly and not have people freaked.

      Un- American to be like this? No…..there are many of us who have had fear put into us forever. Say it “they win we lose”???? No we don’t lose we just won’t let our guard down anymore! If I recall right how many chants have been given by this “ethnic group” “DEATH TO AMERICA?” We have a right to be on high alert all days of the year but a stronger right on 9/11!

      Good luck to you I truly hope that you have a great life and recover from your 9/11/2011 experience. You sound like a nice lady but I also hope you have a better understanding that many Americans are not over what happen 10 yrs ago and we NEVER will be. It isn’t that we are “being racial”. We are being SMART! And the next time we are high jacked or held hostage by anyone of the group the USA “profiles” and we stop and attack what will the feelings be then? Gratefulness!

      GOD BLESS THE USA!

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        God bless a USA that doesn’t violate the Constitutional rights of its citizens because of their skin color.

        God bless a USA that doesn’t allow unsubstantiated reports of unspecified suspicious activity by untrained civilians to be followed by the violation of Constitutional rights.

        God bless a USA in which people recognize that being of a particular ethnic group does not automatically equate to being a terrorist.

        God bless a USA In which people are not racially profiled based on nothing of their behavior but everything of their skin color, and can fly on any goddamn day they please, because they have that freedom.

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      • Ian

         /  September 13, 2011

        I remember the pit inside me, yes. I remember that I though, “Shit. People are going to use this to push through crazy fascist laws. There goes my freedom.”

        I was never afraid for my life. And my life was never in danger. I was afraid for my freedoms. And those have been taken from me. By people who always wanted to take those from me, because the American people, who used to prize freedom, allowed themselves to be scared into giving them up.

        And now you’re DEFENDING your own cowardice? Saying that it’s okay to take other people’s freedoms because you’re scared?

        Bravery involves doing the right thing. Cowardice leads to evil. Which side are you on?

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    • You, “Jay” are “a real” asshole.

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    • Liz

       /  September 13, 2011

      So, as a US citizen of Arab descent, she has no right to travel, right? And because the airline decided where she would sit (she didn’t know the other guys, so how, exactly, did she “choose” to sit with them?), she is at fault for the fact that her seatmates were also of Arab descent, right? And being imprisoned and strip-searched is what she deserved as a descendant of a Middle Eastern lineage, right? Even though she is a US citizen and her HOME is in Ohio (that’s a state in the US, by the way, in case you didn’t know). How about YOU leave the country, since you don’t care about the freedoms upon which this once great nation was founded? Go found another Nazi or Fascist country. You’ll feel right at home. Cretin.

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    • justagirl

       /  September 13, 2011

      The events of 9/11 were rooted in hatred. Hatred that a VERY SMALL GROUP of a certain nationality had for a country. Hatred that ran so deep that it didn’t matter to them that the specific people they murdered in their acts were just random citizens, and not THE people they held hatred for.

      They decimated people, and they decimated buildings that were the heart of America. And in the process, hatred created hatred.

      Jay, your post is a prime example of this. I disagree that, due to her skin, her appearance, her ancestry, that Shebshi should have stayed home. I disagree that she should have known. I disagree that she should have to guard her every move, because someone else has let fear breed hatred and prejudice against her just because she is not white.

      One of the things that North America should pride itself on most is openness, a melting pot society where EVERYONE is equal. We are not “Animal Farm” (Orwell). We should not live in a society where everyone is equal, with white men being MORE equal than others. That is bullshit, and it is shameful.

      On September 11, 2001, I watched the footage unfold on my television, with a pit in my stomach so heavy it was indescribable. Ten years later, as the footage was re-played, I felt the same pit, with the same intensity. Today, reading this, it’s increased … I didn’t think the feeling could get any worse.

      If we allow this hatred to infiltrate our lives, then all the people whose lives were lost, all the emergency response personnel who sacrificed theirs, underneath piles of steel that crumbled under the hatred of those select few, ALL OF IT will be for naught. And we ourselves will continue to create victims of this tragedy, by our own actions.

      The thought makes me ill.

      Shebshi, I don’t know you, but I’m so very sorry you went through this, and unbelievably grateful that you had the strength to share it. I hope that, even if there is no legal recourse for you, that perhaps in the sharing of your experience and the spreading of this story, perhaps there will be a way to lobby for change.

      Everyone needs to step away from the hatred, else we will never be safe, and the danger will not only be from the outside, but also from within. 9/11 NEVER should have happened. But it did. So now, it’s up to us to make sure it wasn’t in vain.

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      • Marty

         /  September 17, 2011

        I do not men to diminish your reply, as I agree with you and it seems very thought out and intelligent, but you are misusing the word decimated (which means to destroy one tenth of something, as the prefix suggests, and has also been adapted more recently to mean destroy a large percentage of). Perhaps obliterated would have been a better fit here. Your point was not lost though, I’m just kind of a jerk sometimes. Sorry.

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    • Jen D

       /  September 13, 2011

      Again, Shoshi IS an American citizen, you dolt. Born and raised here. End of story. What’s your ancestry? Perhaps they will take you back?

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  112. bglick

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thanks for sharing your story.

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  113. It’s a damn shame that this is what it has come to. I am so so so sorry for what happened to you. I’m severely opposed to the Patriot Act (I understand the underlying point, but I’m still opposed) and all the fear mongering that has gone on in this damn country the last 10 years. I don’t understand how we went from banding together immediately after 9/11 happened to now picking up anyone with a slight tan and throwing them in a cell for however long we deem necessary. It’s disgusting how our freedoms and rights are slowly being consumed in the name of protection, and we are forced into giving up these freedoms without question, too stunned to even begin to figure out how to fight back.

    Something needs to change. We can’t go on like this, locking every person up that looks different. Eventually we’ll all be put in jail.

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  114. This is a disgusting display, Shoshana. I am glad you were able to recount it in so much detail.

    As a Canadian, I stopped visiting the United States unless it was a matter of work or a very specific visit that I can’t avoid. These are the stories that make me wonder about what could happen to me, those I’m travelling with or the innocent people around me. Destroying individuals’ freedoms, even for a few hours, is entirely unacceptable – especially in a country where every newscast or interview with the general public includes a reference to “freedom” – whatever that is these days.

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    • Dave,

      Do you really think Canadian Officials are less racists? In Dec 2009, when I drove from NJ to Montreal. I was detained and harassed for a few hours by Canadian immigration. I was asked choice questions, such as,
      “Why are you single?”
      “Why do you have a laptop in your car?”
      “Why do you have $200 in your wallet?”
      “Why did you book a hotel in Montreal only 4 days before your trip?”

      Of course, on the way back, I was given similar treatment by US immigration. They demanded why I didn’t carry another South Asian passport. I told them that the only passport I need is US Passport, which I was carrying.

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  115. I’m really sorry this happened to you. Were you not able to ask for a lawyer? I wasn’t aware that ANYONE could force you to do a strip search. This seems like it was a violation of your 4th Amendment right. You may want to contact the local ACLU about this. They may be able to give you more details, but I feel you were unlawfully searched. I don’t study law nor do I know anything beyond what the 4th Amendment says but a strip search seems “unreasonable”.

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    • You raise a good point. Unfortunately the USA Patriot Act allows this sort of thing to happen. The Act is a violation of the 4th amendment. I found this on the ACLU’s website: http://www.aclu.org/national-security/surveillance-under-usa-patriot-act

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      • lawmule

         /  September 13, 2011

        There is nothing in the Patriot Act that allows this type of unreasonable warrantless search performed without probable cause. Even a “Terry stop” temporary detention only allows a frisk (patdown of outer garments) IF an officer harbors reasonable suspicion that a person is ARMED. Fear & profiling do not = reasonable articulable suspicion.

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      • Concerned US Citizen

         /  September 14, 2011

        Strip search would not fall under that act.

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  116. C W

     /  September 12, 2011

    Your post left me in tears, and angrier than ever at all the ways 9/11 has been twisted into a convenient vehicle for people’s blind ignorance and fear. I do agree with Paul’s comment (above) that airport security needs to be run by professionals, and ignorant people (as the person obviously was who “reported” you) should not be allowed to run the show. I am going to repost this. Meanwhile, i hope you do find out who “reported” you – i would like to see them hauled in for questioning themselves. And all those officers who were doing their “duty” – at what point do they stop following orders and see for themselves what is really going on?

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  117. You’re a better person than I. I would have told them if they aren’t arresting me, they’d better release me and not answered any of their questions. If they asked to see my Facebook or Twitter, they would have heard some foul language explaining to them what they can do with themselves.

    Any US Citizen that thinks this is justifiable, I’ll call you a coward to your face. Liberty comes with a cost, and that cost is that you’re not safe. Safety is an illusion anyway and totally contrary to liberty.

    I’m truly glad I served 8 years so my fellow citizens could just throw it all away. /sarcasm

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  118. Crystal

     /  September 12, 2011

    Sad to know about your experience.Isn’t it disturbing how even common people have started to stereotype people on the basis of their race and appearance?Somewhere,development of this philosophy has to do with government’s actions,policies and behaviour.Even if cops are reported about any such suspicious behaviour,they need to be easy with people and behave in a better manner.And I really think we need to have officials who can actually judge the body language of a person.They did not have the right to treat you this way,right?.WRONG.They actually did,thanks to the policies of the government.What a shame.

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  119. Rich

     /  September 12, 2011

    Hind site is twenty twenty, however you should have asked for a lawyer immediately, YOU were placed under arrest without any probable cause they committed multiple crimes against you and you should be naming names and in the process of suing them AND do not settle.

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  120. Dear Shebshi,
    I’m an airline captain. I pilot a B-737 for a major air carrier based in the United States. On behalf of my colleagues in the profession, I apologize for what happened to you. I would have been furious if any member of my family had been treated like that. My company trains us to judge passengers according to the way they behave, not the way they look.

    I have not heard the other sides of the story, so I will reserve my condemnation of anyone else until I get all of the facts. However, I’ll say this: If things transpired exactly as you described, this would not have been enough to cause me to report you or your fellow passengers as a security threat. I hope that, as time passes, you’ll be able to forgive those of us in the industry who have caused you and anyone else who “looks different” unjustified discomfort. Please trust us again to safely transport you and your family.

    Dave

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    • Jeff Larson

       /  September 14, 2011

      Mr. Nelson, the finest compliment I can pay you is that if more people had the common sense, courtesy, and decency that you exhibited in that post, Shoshona would have never had to suffer the mistreatment that she endured, and neither of us would have visited her blog today. May all your skies be CAVU.

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  121. Your ability to write this report under your despicable circumstances is to be admired. We must work together all of us and continue to be vocal about the way we are handling “security” in the United States. It is not just and it does not make sense.

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  122. shebshi: i told myself that i would avoid my friends political posts this month because of the despair it causes me. the futility of feeling and knowing i can do nothing about my own dismal personal situation, and even less about what is happening in our national and international communities, is too depressing. i have especially studiously avoided all 9/11 remembrance propoganda, because, as our guest pastor pointed out, how much is remembrance and how much is ratings. as my first born is getting married in eleven days, i would like to harness what little spiritual and psychic energy i have, in her direction. but i will repost this blog which was shared by nicholas kristoff. and i will ask my friends to share this also. i, too, have had a run-in with d.h.s. at that point, i felt they had nothing better to do than to harrass a middle aged, high school instructional assistant. i was right. i’m sorry they put you and the two gentleman through this horrendous experience. “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” (attributed to benjamin franklin) GOD bless.

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  123. As far as I am aware all these extra security precautions haven’t resulted in stopping a single terrorist action. The TSA, et. al. would jump on any opportunity afforded to them to talk-up how these security procedures have increased safety yet, they haven’t done so.

    The terrorists have won. The USA (and the rest of the western-world) has reduced personal liberty in so many situations, the worst demonstrable being air-travel. This must exceed any expectations they had for the actions of 9/11.

    There is no reasonably way back from this. Governments, who seize extra power, rarely return it when that power is no longer required. With everything happening in 2011, it is easy to see the end of the world as we’ve known it for the past 60 years.

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  124. aud

     /  September 12, 2011

    thank you so much for sharing your story. i, like many others, read the AP stories but you have truly brought the “reaction” to life for us. you are a much more tolerant woman that i, i would’ve been flinging f-bombs right and left, loudly. i believe it was Paul who posted about my feelings on the subject – this theatre we call security here is beyond absurd. and i know all about their trained professionals as i have a family member who works for the TSA.

    glad you are safe, and i hope you, and all of us, can enjoy traveling again someday…

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    • william Bedell

       /  September 13, 2011

      I would consult a lawyer right away and try to sue for as much as you can get. After all the only way these racist will learn is if it cost them some money.

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  125. It’s stuff like this that makes me reluctant to come over to the US (I’m Indian). “Land of the free”, huh?

    Hope your country fixes itself.

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    • Yuvi, you’re wise not to come to the US. I’ve urged my friends overseas not to come either. This country has turned into a pool of hysteria and paranoia, with the complicity of millions of so-called citizens.

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  126. I am so sorry this happened to you. I am sorry my beautiful country has been taken over by profiteering thugs who have manipulated us into exactly what “the terrorists” want. I am also ashamed at my countrymen who would allow this to happen here and walk like sheep, undeserving of the benefits of true men and women of courage and conviction who did their best to form a government of freedom.

    Please see my post Faithful To Thee, America, In Our Fashion. I will continue to speak of these matters irregardless of the consequences because that was the promise I made to this country to be a good citizen.

    I am glad to know people like you understand this also. Thank you so much for posting.

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  127. Jenny Baker

     /  September 12, 2011

    I think your major conclusion is right, fear drives so much of what we do. The question becomes, is fear ever a good motivator? By itself, I’d say no. You were the victim of a fear-based society which only brings oppression and never freedom. I’m so sorry you had to experience this. I can imagine how hard it is to process this experience. However, the strength with which you handled yourself is truly remarkable. I hope for a full healing and restoration of your soul.

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  128. I’m very sorry you experienced this, and I do find it terrible. BUT, calling people “fat Jada Pinkett Smith”, “white middle aged cop”‘ and generalizing hate against speedboats and country music makes your claims about what you believe in quite laughable. You had a chance to make a very powerful statement here, and you completely blew it.

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    • Rick

       /  September 12, 2011

      No she didn’t, Jerry.

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    • I beg to differ. I think that these things just made her statement all the more human.

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    • Since when are people expected to be inhumanly graceful and kind while being detained and strip-searched for absolutely no reason? Something tells me you’d have a few uncharitable thoughts in that situation as well.

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    • “completely blew it” is an overstatement, but yes, the reverse stereotyping didn’t help the article.

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    • Heather

       /  September 13, 2011

      Jerry- it’s called “good writing”!

      She shares her honest thoughts- and if you read to the end of the article she reflects on how this experience has been divisive and affected how she also thinks about people.

      I think the writer is well aware of this. Damn fine writing. Had me gripped, and I felt I was in the cell with her.

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    • Online

       /  September 13, 2011

      Jerry is absolutely correct.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      Are you suggesting the officer did not look like Jada Pinkett Smith, or that she was not fat? Or that the other cop in question was not white, or that he was not middle-aged? On what basis do you make those claims?

      As far as the question of hating “speedboats and country music”, it seems to me that those passages in her post do a very effective job of helping us understand the psychological state she was suffering under. Fact is, on the whole there aren’t a whole lot of people involved in the “speedboat and country music” culture who are arguing for better protections of civil rights, but even if you think it’s not a fair generalization, the point is to bring us closer to the moment, and it does that quite effectively.

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    • Jess

       /  September 14, 2011

      If the author had described a fat white woman as a “fat Celine Dion”, would that have been inherently racist? Of course not. All black women do not look alike. This particular black woman looks like Jada Pinkett Smith, except she is fat. In describing her in that fashion, the author isn’t drawing any particular attention to her race.

      It is actually your racism that causes you to interpret any reference to a black celebrity as racism.

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  129. What a crappy crappy thing to experience.

    But I bet you’ll remain a citizen and resident of the USA.

    A frog in warming water comes to mind.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      Ignoring for a moment that the “frog in warming water” story is a myth, remaining a citizen and resident of the USA is no evidence of being metaphorically equivalent to said frog.

      The frog does not have the option of adjusting the temperature of the pot to suit. A responsible American citizen absolutely does, and in fact that’s exactly what the author of this blog article is doing. Leaving the country does nothing to help the country, and in fact if every who knew better than to tolerate this sort of thing left, no one would remain to help the country heal itself.

      She is doing her part to publicize the heinous injustices perpetrated on travelers in the US, and to make an effort to rectify the situation. What are you doing?

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  130. Philip

     /  September 12, 2011

    Unbelievable. I found your link on Nicholas Kristof’s facebook acct. Thanks for sharing, and you nor anyone deserves to be singled out for the color of their skin or their attire.
    And I also appreciated the fact that the only true criminal in this case was the pudgy middle aged white guy. Much love and remember that the vast majority of our country doesn’t think the way that the person who reported the three of you, does. I blame the stupid patriot act, the media for perpetuating gross stereotypes, and our crap educational system that doesn’t enable a lot of us to garner analytical thinking.
    Once again, sorry this happened to you and as a fellow American, I apologize.

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  131. Gulliver

     /  September 12, 2011

    Land of the free, home of the brave!

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  132. Tamra Mosher

     /  September 12, 2011

    I do not know you personally Mrs. Hebshi, but please know that I, a complete stranger who lost family in 9/11, APOLOGIZE for the way you were treated. Your story shows just how far we have devolved as a country, and as humans in the past 10 years. I hope you are doing alright, and I applaud you for the grace in which you dealt with this situation and for sharing your story with everyone. Shalom.

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  133. Good god. That’s truly horrifying–thank you for speaking up about it, and I’m so sorry you had to go through something like that.

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  134. I’m so sorry that you went through this. How horrible! :(

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  135. Homeland Security — from the people who brought you “Mr. Rogers Was a Marine Sniper” and “HIV+ Blood in Pepsi Cola”.

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  136. AJ Chalom

     /  September 12, 2011

    I would like to apologize to you that you had to go through this and that people are rude, idiots who jump to conclusions that effect people’s lives. Take care and thank you for sharing your story

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  137. Samia

     /  September 12, 2011

    This is the sickest thing I’ve ever heard; I’m so sorry that happened to you!

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  138. So sorry you had to go through this. I also flew on 9/12/2011. I am home now, but as I read this to my husband, I told him this very well could have been me. I am sharing this on my FaceBook page. My daughters go through similar things when they fly as well. It is not only the color of the skin, it is what you where and what your name sounds like or looks like. It is truly, truly sad and scary. Thank you for sharing.

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  139. Batya L. Wittenberg

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am so sorry.

    I’m a Jewish Orthodox woman in New York, and on more than one occasion I’ve been “randomly” picked out of airport security lines for an extra search. (Funny, it only ever seems to happen when I’ve covered my hair with a scarf instead of a hat….) I’ve never been subjected to the kind of violation you describe, but every so often it’s brought home to me how easily I could be.

    I am so, so sorry this happened to you. And I echo the sentiments of those above who have urged you to take legal action if possible. This can’t be allowed to continue.

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  140. Ryan

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thanks for sharing your story, and I sympathize with your situation, which undoubtedly turned out to be nothing more than racial profiling. However, I’m curious about something. What would you recommend the FBI do in this situation? If a report is called in, mid flight, regarding suspicious activity, can you think of the “right” thing to do? As a Caucasian, I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know what it feels like to be in your shoes, but I understand your anger, frustration, and humiliation… I’m just not sure I understand how this situation could have been handled in a more appropriate manner by the FBI, given the (mis)information they were given.

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    • The FBI could have reviewed the source of the information and done further checking.

      For example, just recently in AZ a woman was accused by a police informant of being a drug dealer. They obtained a warrant (something that didn’t happen here) and she was brought to the hospital for a forced cavity search (all cavities). The hospital sent her a bill. Nothing was found by the way. It appears police informants may lie occasionally.

      In this case, this is probably on par of “people not like me are visiting the bathroom, and look at the lady with them.” This is on par with the airplane stewardess who reported a musician reading a book about WW2 aircraft. He was taken off the plane, although he was not strip searched.

      I did not hear anything in this account of being read her rights, being put under arrest, being told the charges she was being held for, or any description of the alleged activities that may have justified a strip search. This discounts the request for private information and other parts of the story (as told here) that basically put this into the 3rd world country category of “pick up a citizen, put them in a jail cell, don’t give them any rights, and harass them to your heart’s content” which is what banana republics do.

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      • Ryan

         /  September 12, 2011

        Okay, so the FBI does some checking. They find out the accuser is Susie Q. Homemaker with nothing to note on her record. They research the accused and find out one is a US Citizen, one is an Indian Immigrant, the other, who knows. None have a criminal past. Does that mean the threat is neutralized? Then what? “Okay, threat averted, no need to investigate further!”.

        I’m just playing Devil’s advocate here, of course, but there is only so much passive investigation that can be done from a desk in Langley.

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        • pete.d

           /  September 13, 2011

          So? The answer is that you don’t make a judgment from a desk in Langley to drag a person off a plane in handcuffs.

          _Someone_ had a suspicion, based on _something_. That person is the first point of contact for law enforcement, those officers on site. They listen to whatever witness account that person has to share, and then based on a description of a _specific_ behavior that the witness felt was suspicious, they either act or they don’t.

          A chain of information led to the baseless arrests of these individuals. Either the law enforcement agents overreacted to insufficient basis, or a witness was _lying_ about what they actually witnessed. There needs to be an investigation to determine at what point the people arrested were falsely accused, and the responsible parties need to be punished.

          A vague sense that maybe someone doesn’t look right is not sufficient justification for being dragged off a plane in handcuffs, never mind all the things that happened subsequent to that!

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        • Liz

           /  September 13, 2011

          Ryan, the FBI could have let her go once they found out that she is a US citizen and she passed through TSA when boarding the plane, and perhaps done a background check on her while she was still in the air. There simply was no reason whatsoever for their actions. There was no threat, and any human being with two brain cells to rub together, let alone allegedly highly trained security professionals, would have been able to figure it out.

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      • Rebecca Ore

         /  September 13, 2011

        I live in Nicaragua as a resident alien. Nicaragua does grow bananas, but hasn’t been a banana republic in the political sense since 1979. I’m not sure the US isn’t more of a banana republic in that sense than Nicaragua, Costa Rica, or Panama.

        This incident was pretty wretched. The US sells itself as promoting democracy (neo-liberalism is what they really promote) and freedom (for certain classes of white people).

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    • pocketlama

       /  September 12, 2011

      I know you mean well and I’m not attacking but I really don’t think it’s her responsibility to come up with something else law-enforcement should have done. That’s their job.

      From my perspective, I have a comment on that. They regularly turn planes around or land at a near-by airport for “threats” or unruly passengers. The police then do an actual investigation and don’t do a full-on SWAT invasion of the plane. In the course of that investigation they would have figured out that Ms. Hebshi was only “guilty” of being in the same row as a sick man and let her go much sooner.

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      • Brian

         /  September 13, 2011

        Racial profiling is totally within the law, and if you don’t believe that, you are ignorant. I do not have a problem AT ALL with what happened. Plus, I’ll bet that other things happened that weren’t reported either. Good job FBI. I wouldn’t want that job. Every time they do something correct, they are ridiculed.

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        • Liz

           /  September 13, 2011

          OK, Brian, then let’s get you thrown into a prison cell and strip-searched right then and there without any cause and without any discussion. Since you’re so OK with it happening to her, you’ll be just fine with it happening to you, right? Because what happened to her is no different from it happening to you just because I don’t like you.

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        • you may want to do some legal reading, brian. i don’t “believe.” i do this thing called “research.”

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    • Ryan, “handled in a more appropriate manner”?? Are you kidding??
      You think handcuffing, detaining, jailing, and detaining people is an “appropriate manner”??
      Do you realize we have (or had) this thing called the Bill of Rights in this country?

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    • I’m willing to bet that the lady wouldn’t have overly complained if this story hadn’t involved getting handcuffed, forced to hold her bladder for hours, being shoved in a filthy cell, and being strip-searched, and (oh, yeah!) having a little racist comment snarked off at her at the end for good measure.

      There’s security, and there’s security theater, and then there’s “we’re going to publicly humiliate you and act with no regard for your humanity.”

      There are better ways to accomplish these goals.

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  141. SORRY IF REPEAT POST.

    We are working to fight the TSA’s illegal and abusive practices, although your ordeal is due to sister agencies within DHS.

    PLEASE consider contacting us directly at http://fttusa.org. Our website explains Freedom To Travel USA in more detail.

    We are starting to work with Michigan legislators, and since this happened in Detroit, if you so choose, you can help fight the illegal and abusive practices.

    PERSONAL ADVICE: I recommend you contact a lawyer. Your background is interesting – from an Arab perspective, CAIR works closely to protect Islamic rights, and I imagine the ADL might help from a Jewish perspective.

    More importantly, independent of ethnicity, a US Citizen has rights.
    In our examination of 4th Amendment background law concerning strip searches, your rights may have been violated. There are lots of grey areas, although most courts believe suspects need to be under arrest or in jail to be strip searched. From your account, it seems you were not under arrest.

    We would look forward to having a discussion with you, if you are so inclined.

    Condolences again on your ordeal.

    Best regards,

    Jeff Pierce
    Co-Founder
    Freedom To Travel USA
    http://fttusa.org
    jpierce@fttusa.org

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    • ghf

       /  September 14, 2011

      Thank you from the middle aged white man from Arkansas…sue the #$()*&$# out of existence

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  142. So sorry this happened to you, and thanks for sharing your story. People need to know when this sort of thing happens — not just the “facts” reported by AP, but the human side. Although yesterday was a solemn day of remembrance for those who lost loved ones 10 yrs ago, for the rest of us the media frenzy yesterday simply fueled this kind of xenophobic, paranoid hysteria. Ten years later, and we still have learned nothing. The Forever War, and the attitudes that fuel it, needs to end.

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  143. Mona

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am so, so glad you wrote about this experience, and so eloquently too. This incident that happened to you is like all of our unspoken fears come to life, for my husband and myself. We’re both of Indian origin; he grew up in North America. He’s got a beard (as do many professors) but that’s the worst thing for profiling. He shaved it for the first time in his life on 9/12/01 but I made him grow it back because we can’t alter who we are at the end of the day, and shouldn’t. Like you, I would have taken the pragmatic approach to flying on Sept 11 – more security, more empty seats – but never again. One of the reasons I am so glad that you wrote about this (and in exactly the way that you did) is because so many people would be too scared to write about it, too disempowered. I really wonder what those two Indian men must be feeling right now. I am so angry and upset on their behalf. As I was reading this aloud to my husband, I felt sick to my stomach and could barely get through it. Even now, my heart is racing. Thanks to Nicholas Kristof for posting it on Facebook. I’m a total stranger to you but it would mean a lot to me if you, at some point (as you can), wrote a follow-up. But take care of yourself, first and foremost. Thank you for writing about it.

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  144. The weapon of the terrorist is fear. Seems they are winning the war…

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  145. I’m so sorry that this happened to you.

    Most Americans don’t realize that we lost The War on Terror. We are terrorized… and your Kafkaesque experience is just one more proof of that. I heard that we now have a million more people on “security” payrolls since 911. All of those folks are watching US and not THEM.

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  146. Kush

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thanks for voicing and sharing this… Very important advice for all brown people.

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  147. Roz

     /  September 12, 2011

    How awful….i am really sorry that u had to experience that. I often wonder about how a protest could bring attention to this issue. Makes me want to organize a group of little old ladies to don headscarves & book a block of airline seats or s/t….just to point out how unhelpful it is to discriminate based on appearance alone. God bless you for your own ability to forgive your captors. That is more strength than i have.

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  148. Michelle

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m very sorry this happended to you. I lived in NYC for 4 yrs and can’t imagine a plane from there being detained like that. It’s such a diverse city. I hope that you are hearing a lot of the same from other people and are feeling some reassurance. Ironic too, this situation and the title of your blog (From the Heartland). In SF and NYC, we tend to think the midwest is a bit racist and backward and this doesn’t exactly dissuade from that (likely erroneous) perspective.

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  149. Stranger

     /  September 12, 2011

    No words from me can change this or that. But from one stranger that at a glance would be more accepted in this country than you apparently are, you have my empathy.

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  150. carolyn

     /  September 12, 2011

    please get a lawyer and see if you can sue those motherfuckers!

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  151. This is truly unnerving and it makes me so embarrassed of our country. I am so upset that this happened to you. You are so strong for posting this.

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  152. Get a civil rights lawyer and sue. You were detained without probably cause and handcuffed ~ possibly this means “arrested” ~ without “individualized suspicion.” Sue, sue, sue. Find others who suffered the same deprivation of your Constitutional rights and make it a class action. Let the federal government know that the people of this country are not going to tolerate law enforcement excesses like these and others.

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  153. Shared on Facebook and Twitter. What an awful story, I can’t imagine being treated like that. I sure hope things are better here north of the border. Thank you for sharing this.

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  154. Compassionate

     /  September 12, 2011

    So sorry to hear! Please forgive me for being somewhat relieved that for once someone other than myself, my race, experienced what we, my race has experience and continually experience our entire life times. For once you may feel some compassion for how blacks are targeted and the prejudice we face on a daily basis.

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    • Perfectly understandable emotion, dear one. I have always wondered what special quality allows blacks in America to live their lives with such grace under these circumstances. This ole white lady wishes you all the best.

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  155. LaTrice

     /  September 12, 2011

    I saw this posted on a friend’s FB page. There are no words that can accurately describe the anger and heartache I feel about what you had to endure. You handle the situation with grace and dignity.

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  156. That is so messed up :( I’m disgusted by the way the US and UK (and others) has turned out 10 years down the line.

    I travelled through London Heathrow at on Sept 4th and in security something set the metal detector off. I was then subjected to what can only be described as a sexual assualt and thorough groping (although nothing like what you had to endure), followed a by a 20 minute long farcial inch by inch sweep over every part of me (head included – I mean, WTF?) with the hand held wand thing, they were satisfied that my wedding ring or perhaps a rivet on my jeans was not a threat to humanity.

    Do I feel safer? Not a chance. Freedom? I don’t think so.

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  157. Dede

     /  September 12, 2011

    Shoshana,

    Am really sorry to hear about your story. I follow the link from FB and I get here. As part of “visible minority” i had to face this kind of treatment at the airport , though not with the full extent as yours. I am from west africa, far from brown :-) and have a “funny foreign name” and hip replacement. I get X-Ray treatment, full body search, explosive search and enhance checked baggage search almost every time i travel. And I missed some flight. I travel like 6 to 10 times a year. I end up arriving early at the airport, and keeping it cool when going during this humiliating process.

    Wish you all the best and again, keep faith in this country not in the broken system

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  158. Thank you, thank you for going public with this unbelievable horror story. I’m dumbstruck. Yes, we were on edge yesterday. We’ll be on edge again. But something critical has to be done in the way of training and protocol to eliminate egregious situations like this. Wishing you all the best, and the comfort of your family and friends.

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  159. Then Again

     /  September 12, 2011

    While I have a lot of empathy for you and what you went through I want to point out that you were not “racially” profiled it was your ethnicity (not that that makes it a happy day), no one knew your religion, anti-Semitic feelings are not a result of 9-11 and you do you own fair share of “racial profiling” about the police. I’m sure a parable about stones and glass houses or perhaps motes and beams applies here.

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    • So Annoyed By All the Hype

       /  September 12, 2011

      I agree with many of the points in this comment!

      To Shoshana:

      This line, “I hated speedboats and shitty beer in coozies and fat bellies and rednecks” is racial profiling. Rednecks? Really? You were strip-searched, you believe, because of your skin color, yet you have absolutely no problem using the same tactics for stereo-typing. You’re probably doing this out of anger, but that’s me giving you the benefit of the doubt. Everyone is racist. (Even though we use that term incorrectly.)

      Did the police officer who has no a/c every day at work say “but being a descendant of desert people I obviously didn’t mind the heat,” or is that you simply projecting? Some of the side comments, like this one, are over-the-top and make you out to be very hateful against anyone who isn’t you. It proves that you are no better than the person(s) who were afraid of you for what you looked like / how you behaved on that airplane. Even if you end your post with, “We should all try to get along.” The words fall flat.

      I feel your rage and your humiliation, but I’ll take you getting profiled and searched any day over having something like 9/11 happen again. Oh, and I get profiled every time I go to the airport. I get the special treatment where they wipe my hands and my luggage handles / zippers to check for explosives. I am not of Middle Eastern descent. I was born in the USA. I have a boring English name. You are not the only one who has ever been profiled. I know you won’t be the last. This is the price of freedom.

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      • Sean

         /  September 12, 2011

        Anger is an excuse for malice, if it is temporary. But maliciousness is not acceptable as a default perspective on laws and justice in this country. I am sure if I got into a heated argument with some white redneck (Hey, I’m white too!) I would moan about how backwoods rednecks were the bane of my existence until it was out of my system. It is only human. I would eventually get over it and go back to not hating anything country or seemingly backwards.

        This is in no way comparable to the passive racism that is built into our law enforcement agencies when they pull aside people for no other reason than they are brown. One is a tragedy, the other is merely regrettable (I’ll leave it to you to sort out which is which.)

        “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

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      • Agreed

         /  September 12, 2011

        I agree with you 100%. She was so hypocritical.

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        • Allison

           /  September 13, 2011

          Yes, being angry and calling people names is EXACTLY the same as someone violating one’s Constitutional rights.

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      • Mr. or Ms. SoAnnoyedByAllTheHype,
        No, “this” ISN’T “the price of freedom.”
        You need to go back to 5th grade civics.

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        • Jessie

           /  September 14, 2011

          Lisa you ar so right. Absolutely NOT. We do not need to accept this gross violation of our civil rights granted to us in our constitution and amendments. No where does it state on any airline ticket that you can be detained without reason and strip searched. Really people – if you are an American learn your rights. The TSA cannot strip search you or touch you unless you consent.
          As far as this incident is concerned I could MAYBE see being escorted off the plane, a pat down in private by another female, and questioning – and that’s a real stretch when I say maybe. Under no circumstance was the strip search justified. Was she actually placed under arrest? If not, they absolutely violated her rights. The strip search and cavity search was uncalled for and an absolutely vile and gross abuse of her civil rights. Let’s not forget she passed through screening prior to the outbound flight – that means no metal objects detected, etc. Additionally she didn’t blow up the plane in flight. This level of invasive body search was UNCALLED for PERIOD. Now think if you would be OK with this if it was your 12 year old daughter, your 62 year old mother or aunt, your 89 year old grandmother.
          People you need to wake up – we are headed towards a police state where ANYONE can be detained without reason, strip searched, locked up, etc. etc.
          Will another terrorist incident occur – maybe so. I hope not, but our security, TSA specifically, is not effective. While I would absolutely hate to see anyone else killed by terrorists I hate even more the loss of our civil liberties. I want to cry about what we have become as a nation – a country willing to trample what our forefathers fought so hard for – all because we are a bunch of scared wussies.

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      • Abhi

         /  September 13, 2011

        Giving up your freedom and rights is the price of “freedom”? Brilliant. Do you draw a disability cheque for being retarded? You should.

        What exactly do you think freedom is?

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      • return to sanity

         /  September 13, 2011

        Guess what? I and Shoshana and everyone else have a constitutional right to call people (yes- even WHITE people) fat rednecks. We have a constitutional right to hate speedboats and country music. Nobody has a consitutional right to detain another american without the due process of law, nor the right to strip search another american without the due process of law. Shoshana is totally within her right to call those police officers whatever the heck she wants to. They have no right to do what they did to her.

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      • Wait, wait. “The price of freedom” is getting dragged off a plane into a cell, stripsearched and interrogated? Wouldn’t that be the very definition of “no freedom?”

        First you accuse her of lying about the last thing the cop said to her and then you accuse her of lying -again- when she says she wants people to get along. And why? Because she’s justifiably angry? Because she thought some uncharitable things, and dared to tell us that she thought them?

        If you think your post was reasonable, you need to grow a clue. Seriously.

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        • Crafty Trilobite

           /  September 13, 2011

          I think he means that the price of HIS freedom is the loss of HER freedom, and he’s ok with that. She had the gall to fly while being brown, after all, so she has no right to complain.

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      • Amused

         /  September 13, 2011

        So what you’re saying is that the price of freedom is to not be free?

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      • W. Scott Lockwood III

         /  September 13, 2011

        As someone who has paid the real price of freedom (8 years of military service) your attitude is disgusting and unbecoming of an American. Please do us all a favor, and don’t reproduce.

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      • Angi

         /  September 13, 2011

        “You are not the only one who has ever been profiled. I know you won’t be the last. This is the price of freedom.” Based on your words, I don’t think you have a clue what the word freedom means. Or what privilege you soak in. Your anger is justified? And hers is not? Please.

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      • I’m sorry to break it to you, but having your hands and luggage handles wiped is NOT on par with being handcuffed, being taken to an undisclosed location, not being allowed to contact your family, being strip and/or cavity searched, and having the minutiae of your life examined for no reason at all. Not even CLOSE.

        And I found her remarks thought-provoking and even enlightening: Can you not see the lesson there – that bigotry begets bigotry, hatred fosters hatred, prejudice sows and reaps more prejudice?

        Had the author encountered those same officers in another setting, I daresay their backgrounds would never have registered beyond a blip on her radar. But they were abusing their authority and she was the victim based on nothing more than her appearance, and her response was to think and feel – however momentarily – along the same lines. She felt anger and disgust towards those people. She was IN that situation because OTHER people feel (ten years later) anger and disgust towards people who remind them of the people behind the 9/11 attacks. And the ball just keeps rolling downhill, picking up speed…

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      • I think you are missing the point of why she wrote these things… she was pointing out the own judgmental things that went through her mind during an ordeal that unless you have lived it, you cannot pretend to understand or imagine. Later in her story she admits making these unfounded judgments (which you’re right, we are ALL guilty of), and says that doing so is always a dangerous, bad thing. It does not make her words fall flat – it gives them sincerity. She is not being hateful or holier-than, she is being human. I would like to say that I wish some of the people writing ignorant, hurtful comments could understand that, but I have a feeling that those comments would find themselves to horrible stories like this no matter the circumstances.

        How dare you or anyone else say, “I’ll take you getting profiled and searched any day over having something like 9/11 happen again”? Of course NOBODY wants anything even close to what happened on that day again, but stripping innocent people (and American citizens) of their rights based on racist paranoia and fear will not stop that. All that does is fuel more unnecessary hatred and make injustices like this seem OK. Unless you have been in her shoes, you cannot pretend to understand what she experienced because you have to have your hands wiped down before you board a plane – the comparison alone is ridiculous. And who are YOU to decide what is acceptable for another to go through so you can feel a false sense of “security”?

        Also, doesn’t the irony of the “freedom” awarded by incidents like this ever cross your mind? I think any argument for “freedom” here is absolutely unrecognizable.

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      • Liz

         /  September 13, 2011

        No, this is NOT the price of freedom, because it DENIES freedom. What is wrong with you people who consider what she was subjected to to be mere “inconvenience” or the same as having your hands wiped?? Is it possible that anyone can be so stupid??! She was thrown into a prison cell and STRIPPED SEARCHED!! Do you not get that?? If you are willing to go along with this happening to your FELLOW CITIZENS, then you are willingly giving up the freedoms you falsely claim to cherish. This is not protecting our freedom, this is attempting to ensure our physical safety — and it is failing at that and succeeding at eliminating our freedom.

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    • Sharroot

       /  September 13, 2011

      Hmmm.. my dictionary defines race as “a group sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group”.
      This lady was the victim – she was cuffed, dragged off the plane, thrown in a cell, stripped, and cavity searched with no explanation. If she had a negative THOUGHT about the people doing it to her and wrote about it ,it hardly constitutes as throwing stones!

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  160. Josh

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am so sorry that you went through this ordeal. I love my country (as you do), and I am extremely disheartened whenever I hear that we’re not living up to our ideals. Unfortunately, it happens more than I would like. Your story greatly personalized the dichotomy, and that we still haven’t fully worked through it yet. I hope that we do better by you, your family, and the 50 other “similar situations” that happened yesterday the next time.

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  161. Ibrahim Yousif

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m an Arab male, and if I was flying on 9/11 I would EXPECT to be treated that way, and be happy about it. What’s the big deal? That stuff happens ALL the time to me, and I understand. . . and I don’t feel that ANY of my rights are taken away. If you’re not doing anything wrong; they will let you go soon enough. THIS GIRL JUST WANTS ATTENTION! “Oh, I had to pee sooo bad!” . . . spoiled brat . . .

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    • I’m sorry you feel this way Ibrahim.

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    • Dede

       /  September 12, 2011

      ” That stuff happens ALL the time to me, and I understand. . . ” This should never happens to you. AM sorry for you Sir.

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    • A Friend

       /  September 12, 2011

      Really? You wouldn’t mind a cavity search? I don’t even know what to say about that. And you know, if you’re doing nothing wrong, it does NOT guarantee you will be released “soon enough”.

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    • Ibrahim sounds like a plant. A phony. I don’t even believe that’s his real name.

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    • Ian

       /  September 13, 2011

      I’m so sorry that you’ve been beaten down enough to think that your treatment is justifiable. I hope that, someday, you can value yourself enough to reject its validity.

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    • Ibrahium- I completely agree!!!!!I would rather be safe than sorry- and I am so glad that you spoke out. I am appalled and would like if maybe everyone could stop the drama and focus on whats important. I would want to be stopped-Id feel better about our secuirty. I am sure if those two men were doing something..and the FBI wasnt around-she’d be complaining

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  162. Alison

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thank you for speaking out about your experience! I was directed here by a friend and I’ve shared this with my Facebook friends. I’m horrified by what you endured and by the larger implications it means for every American.

    We’ve traded our 4th amendment rights for a pottage of crap. The Patriot Act and the TSA are nothing but un-Constitutional power grabs dressed up as security theater. I’m so sorry you had to endure what you did.

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  163. 144

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m very, very sorry this happened to you. This should never happen in a country that considers itself free. Much more should be said, but words fail me.

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  164. Jesse

     /  September 12, 2011

    As if words could soothe you, but I want to say I am terribly sorry for what happened to you, and I hope your story opens eyes and brings about change to the Patriot laws.

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  165. Jerry Lambada

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am sorry this happened to you, but you blew a great chance to make a statement. Calling people “fat Jada Pinkett Smith”, middle aged white cop, and profiling said individuals as ones who would have speedboats, and beer cozies does not support your claims about what you believe. Yes, you will justify it by saying you were angry about your treatment, but they were angry about 9/11, same difference. Pot, meet kettle. So, you can count 9/11/11 as not only the day you were treated poorly, but also the day you failed at becoming any kind of a credible blogger.

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    • Until they strip you naked and probe your orifices.

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    • I left a similar comment. Prejudice’s run rampant in all ethnicity’s.I was surprised no one else made any comments about the rude statements in this post. Saying she now hate’s rednecks and country music. Country music is one of the few genres that teach you to be kind and help your neighbors. Really she is no better herself than the cops who were forced to act upon suspicions whether they saw a threat or not.

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      • Re-read the entry and focus on her last few paragraphs. Perhaps you should pay closer attention before condemning victims. Be ashamed of yourself.

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      • I’m pretty sure that since I’m white, and I also hate rednecks, beer in coozies, speedboats, and country music, her dislike of those things – especially when being surrounded by references to them while undergoing a very traumatic experience – does not make Shoshana “racist”.

        Further, expressing in a blog that she had thoughts about how much she disliked those things does not exactly equate to being illegally detained because the guy in the seat next to her spent too much time throwing up in the bathroom.

        When she refuses to hire someone based on his dislike of country music, THEN y’all can call her a prejudiced bigot.

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    • Oh shut up with your white, male privilege.

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  166. Thada

     /  September 12, 2011

    This is appalling. I am so sorry you and your seatmates were put through that. I hope you find a way to prevent this from affecting your feelings of safety for too long. Maybe a hypnotherapist or an NLP practitioner can assist you to reframe this incident to lessen its effect on your well-being over time. Best wishes.

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  167. Thank you for posting this. I’ve shared it and really admire that you put this out there.

    I don’t know whether to be angry at the system that did this or the extremists that made them feel they need to, but i think you summed it up very well when you said “We live in a complicated world that, to me, seems to have reached a breaking point.” As someone who just went through that and I’m sure is dealing with the anger, it’s a remarkable thing to have that perspective.

    Thank you again

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  168. Bailey

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am so sorry that this happened to you and you are a better person than me — I would be raging mad and not so level-headed. Thank you for your account of what happened.

    I hope you sue to at least find out who made the ridiculous complaint and what the complaint actually was. Maybe some good would come out of this if you could sit down with the person who made the complaint so the person understands the ramifications of racially profiling. A teaching experience.

    Good luck and I hope this never happens to you again!

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  169. I am so sorry this happened to you.

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  170. Ben

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am a fat white man who likes beer and country music. I am horrified at how you were treated.

    I take your story as another example of the nation I love having become a police state. This deeply saddens me. The terrorist attacks of 9/11 do NOT excuse such reactions to whatever illusions of threats the authorities can think up. (As a law-abiding citizen, I have had two of my own encounters with overreacting law enforcement in the past year.)

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  171. sue patterson

     /  September 12, 2011

    This seems so wrong on so many levels. I hope you consult an attorney. I do not think they can STRIP SEARCH you, just because someone on the plane didn’t like the color of your skin. I am not a lawyer, nor have I ever sued anyone in my life, but if that’s the language they understand, I’d consider it.
    From one American woman to another, I am so sorry you had to endure this. It’s just horrible! But I am truly grateful that you were able to write about it, so we could understand first-hand what is going on.

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  172. The world over, we’re letting governments get more and more control over our lives by letting them have laws that take away our rights to exist with decency and dignity. Its sad that those that are meant to serve us are turning into our masters in the name of “protecting” us. Terrible experience – I hope you recover well enough to enjoy travel again.

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  173. Nelsene McGinn

     /  September 12, 2011

    A nightmare experience that no one should have to endure. We are no longer free in this country and it makes me very sad. I am so sorry you had to go through such an ordeal. I will share your story in the hope that things will eventually change and we will recover our freedoms. I hate to say that I am not very optimistic.

    I admire your courage.

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  174. Mike

     /  September 12, 2011

    You feel like you have lost your freedom? You have. Welcome to the party pal

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  175. Robert Arthur

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am appalled at this. Each and every one of us should print this posting out, and send a copy of it along with a well worded letter to our congressman, and our senators, put them in envelopes, with a stamp and mail them, demanding that this agency be defunded and disbanded. They have made a mockery of airline security, they have abused, and humiliated us with no better benefit and likely worse security than we had a decade ago. Get them out of our pants and our airports today.

    Senator Levin will be receiving a copy of my letter before the close of the week.

    I only hope I can respond with as much dignity and grace as you when they come for me.

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  176. Longinus

     /  September 12, 2011

    Just wanted to congratulate you on a great blog post and let you know that you handled the situation with class and dignity. Americans need to hear that there is a true human cost to all this racial paranoia circulating around the country. Thank you for sharing your story and I hope it not only helps change some attitudes out there but brings you something positive in life. Best wishes in the future.

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  177. I am simply appalled at what this country has become. As a fellow American who didn’t do everything in his power to fight the creation of this police state, I apologize for what you experienced from the bottom of my heart.

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  178. Thank you for sharing your story.

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  179. Margie

     /  September 12, 2011

    I am so sorry this happened to you. I am sharing your story with
    my friends.

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  180. I am truly disgusted that this happened to you. I would hope that it would not happen in the rest of the world, but it has certainly made me think twice about ever visiting America with my half Persian children and I will certainly discourage them from ever visiting in the future. The funny thing is that my children have nothing to do with their Persian father, though they share his Persian last name, and are real little Kiwis (we’re from New Zealand). This really disturbs me as I think of what could happen in the future to my kids. While everyone is so busy looking for middle eastern or dark skinned terrorists they may very well miss real threats to national security. How is it possible in 2011 for racism like this to exist? The hysteria surrounding ‘terrorism’ & ‘terrorists’ is outrageous. I hope that as many people as possible see this. So sorry that this happened to you!

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  181. Jo Garcia

     /  September 12, 2011

    Damn.

    Ain’t this Country a bitch?

    I’ve been stopped for driving while brown, but I guess I can now be arrested for flying while brown.

    Freedom, my ass.

    Jo Garcia
    Phoenix, AZ

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  182. I am sorry this happened to you. The truly sad thing is this has happened before in American history. It was called the Red Scare and McCathyism – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism. During that era people got accused and lost jobs by someone calling them a communist. Now go back and read the link but put terrorist or Muslim in place of communist.

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  183. I feel sorry for you, but you clearly have the confidence and mental fortitude to navigate life, so you don’t need much support. BTW you should always ask “am I free to go?” And if the answer is “no”, demand a lawyer. It’s not safe to answer ANY question.

    I feel far sorrier for the COWARD who reported you. They need to grow some balls, and stop being afraid.

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  184. No Ms. Berchtold, the public doesn’t want you to error on the side of caution. It wants you to do your job without the gross violation of civil rights. There were a 1,000 better ways to handle this situation that would have served the purpose of the individual and the greater good. If this is protocol, then game over. The terrorists have won.

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  185. Jeff

     /  September 12, 2011

    Someone turned me on to your story as I was suppose to get on that plane and take it from DTW-DEN. I am sorry for the ordeal you had to endure.

    The story as TSA/Homeland security seemed to be working from was that two people in the same row both independently spent 20 minutes in both of the bathrooms. Sounds a tad excessive and suspicious to me. I know when I go into an airplane bathroom I want to do is get out as quickly as possible.

    Seems like you may have just been sitting in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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    • If shitting for 20 minutes is wrong, man I don’t wanna be right.

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      • joe dumars

         /  September 13, 2011

        indians have terrible bowel movements (i can say this cause im indian) and americans need to be more sensitive and understanding of this

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    • So, if flying messes up with your bowels, as it does to me, I might as well leave my underwear of, and save the TSA the trouble?

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    • Jeff your apathy is exactly how this country got to this level. Instead of being outraged and shocked by this treatment you chalk it up to “wrong place wrong time” cliche non-sense. You make excuses for the people who take power to the extreme.

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  186. brady

     /  September 12, 2011

    I feel sorry for being an American, after reading of this event. I wish I could have been there to call the paranoids out. Too many of us have become lumps of terrified, quivering flesh, devoid of the right to be Americans.

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  187. Que pena lo que te pasó, I am so sorry Soshana, and to be completely honest, I do not really know what to say :S

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  188. auradis

     /  September 12, 2011

    This is just mortifying. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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  189. Kim

     /  September 12, 2011

    I would never have been able to have kept my temper or held myself together as you did. I don’t understand how they had the right to ask you question or strip search (!!!!!) you without telling you anything about what was happening to you or why! No lawyer??? This is permissible in this country??

    I’m floored. Also shocked and sickened by this. And so, so sorry you had to go through this. : (

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    • Because she wasn’t formally arrested. Until the police tell you the charge, you aren’t technically “under arrest”. It is important to note that the police can detain you, usually up to 24 hours, without a charge. This is in order to conduct an investigation such as this. They also aren’t required to advise you of your Miranda rights if they haven’t charged you yet. If you feel that you need a lawyer before answering their questions, the onus is on you to tell the police before answering their questions… however, it can get tricky. Because you haven’t been placed under arrest, it can be considered a crime to “hinder” an investigation by not answering their questions. In order to ensure that the police can’t do this, it’s important to tell them “I have the right to remain silent”. Every question they ask, repeat that line as your answer. Whatever you do, don’t say anything snarky that the police can later claim you said to try and mislead them (that’s also a crime). If you want an attorney present, then repeat the line “I have the right to an attorney”. It’s really important though that you say absolutely nothing else if that’s the route you want to take. As you can see though… you’ll go home a lot faster if you just answer their questions. If you take the “I know my rights” route, you’re going to be in that holding cell for a lot longer (and, remember, attorneys are expensive – you need to be destitute to get a free one).

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      • pete.d

         /  September 13, 2011

        Yeah, it’s really awful when people know their rights and say so. We should definitely discourage anyone from learning what their rights are, and if they should accidently become educated, under no circumstances should they reveal that they know their rights.

        After all, we wouldn’t want to upset those law enforcement officers, would we? They can be so darn fragile!

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      • A better response than “I have the right to an attorney” would be the more explicit, and more technically correct, “I am exercising my Fifth Amendment right to decline to answer questions without the advice of an attorney, and I am formally requesting the presence of an attorney.” (Disclaimer: I am a paralegal, but not a lawyer.)

        However, as others have pointed out, one has to weigh the risks of making such a stand, and on balance I can’t say Shoshana made the wrong call here. Like they tell rape survivors about their decisions to/not to fight back, “if you survived, then you made the right decision.”

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      • Chucky

         /  September 14, 2011

        Charles, your understanding of the constitutional requirements under the “Miranda case seems somewhat limited. a person cannot be required to answer any questions when detained by the police (With or without being informed of charges) . They are supposed to be advised of their rights whenever they are questioned while being detained. refusing to answer when you are detained is a right, not a crime.

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  190. Carey

     /  September 12, 2011

    Between your tale and the NPR story on the Mall of America – I feel like the jihad is being waged by ourselves against ourselves

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  191. ruth

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m very sad to hear of your experience. It’s unfortunate that three strangers with physical appearances that reveal an “other” ethnicity and happen to be sitting next to each other is interpreted by some as “suspicious.” I, too, believe that the terrorists have gained some by instilling a level of racial, cultural and religious (whether perceived or real difference) intolerance that has not been what defines the greatness of America. Everyday I hope for the day that this chapter in our history comes to a close, and the racism and intolerance that has been an ongoing knee-jerk reaction to the acts of a specific group on Sept. 11 are put in perspective…and that those who’ve been given some power and authority through public trust do the responsible things to put it into perspective and make things right. Sometime I wonder if we’ll ever learn, though, if we’re unable to look back at the nation’s past experiences – the marginalization and genocide of Native American tribes, African slavery, imprisoning of Japanese Americans in concentration camps, and so many more chosen treatments of large groups of people – is this just who we are? During the VietNam War I was born, it ended when I was 9. But even as a little girl, half-Filipino (my mom obviously full), because my siblings and I looked enough like we were Vietnamese, other kids from some neighborhoods called us “Frenchie” (for French Indochinese or VietCong). This is one of the reasons I hate war so much. For those who have the physical appearance of an “other,” you are often made to feel ugly, dirty, at fault, unwelcome…in your own home. I’m sorry this happened to you. I hope your story makes people remember who we are at our best.

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  192. JAlmos

     /  September 12, 2011

    There’s nothing more to say than to express how sorry I am that this happened to you and that I hope every single one of our fellow countrymen will see this, know the injustice of it and seek to act on it.

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  193. This really bothers me. I don’t want to live here anymore. This is not peaceful or free country. What, we can be detained now, because some other person is bothered by our appearance, without evidence of any wrongdoing? Are you kidding me?

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  194. Andrew Estrada

     /  September 12, 2011

    Queen Shoshi I have your hand prints on my driveway. Andreanna told me and sent me your blog. I’m so sorry you had to go through this. Papa Andy

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  195. “Walk a mile in my shoes….”

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  196. I don’t know you, but just want you to know that your friends and family are not the only ones embarrased and angered over your treatment. I’m truly sorry you had to put up with this.

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  197. Japheth Ross

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m terribly sorry that you have personally witnessed the indirect intended effect of terrorism. As a fellow American resident, I’m happy for the continued effort to provide protection from the Homeland Security and understand the difficulties encountered in the process but yet dismayed at the racial profiling prevalent in these undertakings. I applaud you for keeping a sound judgement in all this saga but ashamed that our freedom and security is attained by violating the rights of people such as yourself simply by their appearance.
    You wrote, “You understand why we have to do this, right? It’s for our own protection,” she told me. – Two wrongs don’t make a right.
    Until the day Americans are free of bigoted assumptions, the patriot act should be abolished and replaced with a humane policy that serves protection to every American equally without comprising the civil liberties of others. Until then, it would be wrong and insulting for some , to say that the Homeland Security has kept us safe since that fateful day of 9/11.

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  198. ken

     /  September 12, 2011

    Stupid Americans.

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  199. Before the so-called “PATRIOT” Act, this event would have provoked rage across the country; the perpetrators would be fired and their agency sued; Congressmens’ telephones would be ringing off the hook.
    But now it engenders sympathy for the victim and excuses for the perpetrators?
    The terrorists ~ with a little help from bin Laden and his ilk ~ have won.

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  200. I’m sorry this happened. I’m sorry for some people’s reactions. And I thank you for your calm, your composure, and your willingness to share. No one should be judged by their appearance, or put through what you went through. Thank you for your courage to share.

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  201. John

     /  September 12, 2011

    Maybe I missed it, but did they read you your rights or were you not officially detained? Easy for me to say, as it wasn’t me, but you should have refused to answer until you had been read your rights and had a lawyer.

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  202. Harveen

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m Sikh and I wear a turban. Reading this makes me concerned about traveling to the US. I don’t think I’m going to be doing business there anytime soon.

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  203. John Hopkins

     /  September 12, 2011

    Thank you for sharing your story. As an anglo male I’m fairly unlikely to be forced to undergo the indignities you suffered. Reading your account made me feel sick and humiliated for what my country, the “land of the free” I grew up singing about, is becoming. I wish you the best as you seek to regain your balance.

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  204. Chris

     /  September 12, 2011

    When I hear the whole story, I’ll make a comment until then I will read the comments of uninformed idiots.

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  205. sorry to hear about this, Shoshana. I am from Metro Detroit. Most of us are pretty awesome. I have my suspicions that the person who “reported” you and your seatmates are probably not from here, because you resemble just about 1/4th of SE Michigan. :) In fact, you look a lot like an old friend of mine!
    I am glad you are home safe with your family and I hope you don’t think we’re a bunch of assholes.

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  206. I’m so sorry you had to go through that. At the same time I saw some prejudice’s of your own in your post though. You repeatedly mention how fat everyone is. Even the kind officer who didn’t want to strip search you. How you hate “rednecks” not all rednecks are backwoods racist a-holes. The term originated from men who work outside and because of that their necks are sunburned. You hate country music? Why because a few cops talked about it? I am sorry your rights were violated but that is no reason to turn that hate on others. I would be very upset in your situation also, I am Jewish on my mother’s side so don’t think it’s coming from someone who doesn’t understand at all. You are writing about equality and not judging people yet that’s what you did through your post. I’m surprised no one else noticed, I guess your right, people are blind to prejudice’s now.

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    • Because hating country music and rednecks are the same as being locked up and strip searched because someone doesn’t like your skin color. Great logic CoriFisher. >.<

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  207. Eloisa Perez-Lozano

     /  September 12, 2011

    Hi Shoshanna! I haven’t really kept in touch since grad school, but I saw this link on Patti’s Facebook and I thought it might be yours. I’m so sorry you had to go through this. I don’t know how you kept your cool through it all, but I respect you so much for all you endured. I hope you do seek legal counsel about this because this was completely violating your rights no one deserves that!!!

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  208. I am sick to my stomach after reading this. I want to say that I’m surprised that this was allowed to happen to you, but I’m not. And that makes me angry. This is America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. Or it used to be. Now I’m not sure what we are, but Free and Brave are not it.

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  209. This sounds like the Internal Security Act we have in Malaysia, where the govt can, on their whims, jail you for years without trial. Can you lawyer up and sue the govt??

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  210. Lucas Neill

     /  September 12, 2011

    Shoshana, I do feel sorry that you had to undergo such a terrible experience but can you actually blame the authorities for racial profiling on 9/11 when there’s so much tension in the air with talked of a credible threat? The bad guys who conducted the 9/11 murders were all ‘ethnic’ looking, UNFORTUNATELY. And, can I say, you are pretty disparaging in your description of the officers of the law even though, by your own account, they were professional and polite.

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    • the “bad guys” who conducted the oklahoma city bombing were all “white” looking. let me know when you see the authorities profiling “white” looking people, please.

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  211. zack

     /  September 12, 2011

    Dear Shebshi,
    As a ”
    I am truly disgusted that this happened to you. I’m even more disgusted to read comment by hateful & racisit individuals such as; Margaret Helmick, Jan & Jay (Mr. real American) I don’t know what that means
    Margaret Helmick, Jan & Jay : as a naturalized citizen, As a law abiding citizen, as a Muslim & as a US Navy Veteran I say shame on you. I can’t believeI swore to protect racits like you
    Margaret Helmick, Jan & Jay : as a tax payer, as a Moroccan Born man I say kiss my dark skin A@@
    Once again, thanks for sharing your story, One of the many I hear withing the Arab community

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  212. PS I am an editor too… :) for WXYZ Channel 7.

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  213. Niyati

     /  September 12, 2011

    I’m appalled and horrified and enraged at this. Thank you for sharing this.

    You’ve written such a measured, sane account of it… Salute!

    p.s. I’m Indian and was profiled (not as drastically) once at De Gaulle airport; and shrugged it off… I joked later with my family that the powers that be thought that staid old boring me was a dangerous Mata Hari.

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  214. Ms. Hebshi,

    I don’t know you and I can’t tell you what to do. You have a life, and a family, and you have to decide what is a priority for you. But as an American citizen OUTRAGED by what has happened to you, I hope that you, and others who are reading this, don’t let this go, don’t try to rationalize or defend the actions of the airline or TSA, and don’t stop making yourselves heard. This is how totalitarian states work. People are encouraged to report on their fellow citizens, innocent people are randomly branded enemies of the state, and everybody lives in fear of the midnight knock on the door. This is not East Berlin. This is not Tehran. This is not Pyongyang, This happened in Detroit, and that should make a difference.

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  215. This story tore me apart. I am from Michigan, and knowing I could someday fly out of Detroit makes me wonder what could they think of me? Why do people plot others of a different ethnicity? You clearly did nothing wrong, but we all know why you all looked suspicious to somebody racist.. I feel terribly sorry for what happened to you, and I hope that this was not just a bad experience, but a time for you to remember that everyone is the same, someone should not be labeled by race or gender, but should be accepted just for being YOU! You seem like a wonderful person, and stay strong, and don’t dwell on the experience, just think down on those bastards who thought you were “suspicious” and hope that someday karma will come back and bite them on the ass.

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  216. i completely understand what you went through. I have quite a bit of Arab blood in my family and I don’t like traveling because of this. It makes it much more difficult to get on an airplane and although I’ve never been detained like you have, it’s always been a major worry of mine.

    Also, what they did isn’t right. Some people just get paranoid and think they see things that don’t actually take place, and then they react on it. We can’t help it, we can only suffer the consequences.

    “The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand Russel

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  217. Shoshana – this is a lucid and passionate witness to the pragmatics of fear and the shrinking of our democratic life. Sorry this happened. Thank you for sharing.

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  218. Your fellow citizen

     /  September 13, 2011

    I apologize on behalf of our country
    Forgive the person that caused you this stress and they will think twice about being so afraid next time

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  219. Katrina

     /  September 13, 2011

    what happened to you is awful. However unfortunately people of similar ethnic background to you have been conspiring to kill innocent people, in the most cruel way. It is completely unfair on you, but you cannot blame the general public of growing resentment towards the arabs. Not only do these people kill others, they kill their own kind too.
    Had there actually been 3 terrorists on the plane, everyone including you would be grateful for the action homeland security take. Terrorists dont make themselves obvious, so how do you fight an invisible enemy?! There is only one way I can think of, by assuming that all people that fit the description are the enemy. Its a case of damned if you do, and damned if you dont. Yes it violating, yes its racist, yes its not fair, but does it make us feel safer than letting possible terrorists travel around the country, i think so

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    • are you trained in identifying terrorists? do you have any proof that racial profiling works? are you aware that many of the biggest instances of terrorism in the united states have been carried out by people of similar ethnic background to WHITE people? you appear to have considered none of these things. perhaps think a little harder before you post.

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      • Katrina

         /  September 13, 2011

        s., no one is trained in identifying terrorists, so how would you do it? what is the alternative to racial profiling? I think you are to quick with your insults, if I was writting an article on the topic maybe your argument would be valid, but my short post was to encourage an alternative view point, for people to see that this not just a racist attack on human rights, but the result of a serious wound inflicted on the american people, by people mostly of a middle eastern origin. I dont deny that WHITE people can be terrorists too and to consider these things in a post would result in a thesis on sociology which is not an option here. But in the case of 9/11 and the wars in Iraq and Afganistan and the media portrayal…. the average person cannot be blamed to be anxious in the presence of certain ethnicities.

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        • actually, they can be blamed. we call it racism. when terrorism that has happened in our country has been conducted by both people of “certain ethnicities” and by people who are white, yet you are only anxious in the presence of those people who do not look like you, that would be racism.

          as to being trained to identify terrorists, that actually IS what some people are trained to do. if we were a wiser country, we might spend more dollars on that than on scrambling F-16s every time the “average” citizen becomes “anxious in the presence of certain ethnicities.”

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          • Katrina

             /  September 14, 2011

            if we lived in Ireland at the time of the IRA bombings, I am sure we would be scared of white males with back backs too. And then white males acting suspiciously would be held up for questioning. Its not so much racism, its stereotyping of groups in relation to threats these types of people have caused. If it was white women that flew those planes into the world trade center, and blew themselves us in markets in Iraq, then it would be white women that are always under suspicion. Yes, its wrong to be picking on a race just because they have blue or green or brown eyes, that is a violation. This is not what are talking about here.
            If a particular race is continuously responsible for certain threats, then all the people in that race will be stereotyped by their behavior, it just human mature. We are all guilty of stereotyping ie judging a person by their appearance. Unfortunately for the arabs, other arabs have inflicted serious wounds on the Western society in recent times. Until all the terrorist attacks are mostly done by whites (which is not very likely to happen) unfortunately we have to take precautions with the dangerous stereotypes.
            I do think that people should not be treated like this woman has. Detain for questioning yes. Being escorted of the plane at gun point and strip searched no.
            I would love to know what you solution to the problem would be. Before you start insulting people for their views, perhaps provide an alternative solution to the problem that works. I dont necessarily agree with the method, but I dont know what the alternative would be, so if its going to stop more innocent people dying, perhaps the stereotyping can be forgiven until the day that that type stops blowing people up.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      Yes, you CAN blame the general public. For being uninformed, bigoted, and easily manipulated into seeing all dark-skinned people as the enemy.

      It may make YOU feel safer, but it doesn’t actually MAKE you safer, and it makes others feel more in danger simply for existing.

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      • Exactly, Allison. How can we pretend that what we’re achieving is “freedom” when it comes at the cost of stripping the rights of members of our country?

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      • Katrina

         /  September 13, 2011

        Whats your solution to homeland security Allison?
        We can all preach human rights, but until we come up with a solution that captures terrorists without confusing innocent people of the same ethnic background, there is not many alternatives.
        You are right, we dont actually feel safer. But at least we cannot blame them for lax security and not taking reports of suspicious behaviour seriously.
        Who do we blame the general public for being paranoid? Perhaps the arabs that crashed airliners into buildings on 9/11? Or maybe the media is to blame, perhaps we have to ask them to stop showing images of the people responsible…. because thats causing racism?!
        I had a similar experience. I have dark colourings and was questioned in Russia at the time arabs from Chechnya were blowing up residential buildings in Moscow. I completely understand why they questioned me and am not offended because they picked me out because of my dark hair. I totally agree that strip searching is going too far. I would prefer to be questioned every time, then have a school of children taken under siege by suicide bombers (including women terrorists) like it happened in Beslan killing 380 people, ever again!

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        • Allison

           /  September 13, 2011

          The “we must stop anything from happening ever again!” feeling is understandable, but leads to the violation of Constitutional rights such as what Ms. Shebshi related. The fact that you personally were not offended is not a good enough justification to continue the violation of Constitutional rights that Ms. Shebshi experienced.

          Sharing an ethnic background with terrorists does not make one a terrorist. If so, then white males should begin to be profiled since Timothy McVeigh was a white male, and the murdered of George Tiller was a white male, and so on.

          There is a middle ground between having no security, and allowing someone’s Constitutional rights to be violated on the basis of unsubstantiated reports of unspecified suspicious activity made by untrained civilians who are then never held responsible for those reports if they are false.

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  220. EvilDevil

     /  September 13, 2011

    The terrorists win every time we let our fears dictate our behavior. This is appalling.After ten years we have been fooled into the idea that we need to give up what makes us American to keep us safe from “the enemy”. We deserve neither liberty nor security.

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  221. James Callaghan

     /  September 13, 2011

    I got to this from Kurt Busiek’s Twitter post (via Lar deSouza). Ma’am, I’m not American though I’ve lived here for half my life, so I can’t apologise on behalf of my country. I would if I could. As I am a white, hetrosexual male, maybe I can apologise on behalf of people who will never have to experience this kind of unmitigated nonsense. I assure you the words I want to use are far more profane and lengthily so. I don’t know if that’s worth anything, and it can’t begin to make up for what you had to endure, but it’s what I have to give. I’m ashamed and appalled that such things still happen. Not just in America, but on the planet. We should know better. I hope your eloquence here helps to bring about that awareness in others.

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  222. Thank you for sharing your story. It’s getting some exposure. Hopefully it makes a difference. “This country has operated for the last 10 years through fear.” I couldn’t agree more.

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  223. Mark Frazier

     /  September 13, 2011

    The paranoia and fear which has gripped this country has allowed Bin Laden to win. Those who were supposedly “protecting” citizens by this shameful treatment of this woman have played directly into Bin Laden’s hands. The question is, are we going to continue to allow fear, and Bin Laden, to rule our lives?

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  224. I am speechless and quite literally feel like I need to throw up. Thank you for sharing this story. And thanks for the link to the news story. You were also followed by two F-16 fighters. We must do something about this. What, I don’t know. But we have to do something. Because like so many others have said, the terrorists have won. They’ve succeeded in dividing us.

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  225. Why you should NEVER talk to TSA, Homeland Security, or the FBI in this situation:

    Imagine this: Agent #1 interviews you. You give a full account. Agent #2 interviews you. You give a full account. But some minor, insiginificant details vary, as they would because memory is imperfect.

    You have now told two “different” accounts to two federal law enforcement agents. You can be prosecuted under 18 U.S.C. Section 1001 for making a false statement to a government official. Farfectched? Well it has happened to a number of Americans of Arab and Asian descent.

    Stay put.
    Stand your ground.
    Politely but firmly insist on a lawyer.
    DO NOT TALK TO THEM.

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  226. Marie

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am sorry this happened to you. I will be sharing on Facebook so your story is heard by as many people as possible.

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  227. cpb

     /  September 13, 2011

    Sue them, please.

    Sue.

    Please, for the love of God and the love I have for my country, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuue.

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  228. I’m truly sorry this has happened to you , its a shame what this country has turned into.

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  229. First of all, I am sorry to hear what you had to go thru. I feel like there is more to this story than what has been mentioned by you and by the news reports. There had to have been some kind of actions that would cause an entire plane of people and the crew members of this plane to feel some kind of suspicious activity was occurring by the individuals that were arrested including yourself. Also, you and your seat mates i am sure were not the only middle eastern/arab descent people on the plane so why single you and the 2 men out? On a day of heightened security, its not a good time to test the system or draw attention of any kind towards yourself regardless of your ethnicity or nationality. The crew on this plane have flown hundreds of times and with many kinds of people and are well aware of the repercussions that can occur with accusations such as this. They must have had some reason or concern to call this issue in and thus deal with the consequences of themselves and the whole plane being delayed and questioned. Its now becoming a case of he said/she said and who is to be believed? I would really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane had to say vs the words of the accusers and of the accused. The story is starting to become one sided and its hard to know who to believe anymore. I know security at airports has gotten out of control but its there for a reason. I would rather it be there than not be there and unfortunately these things are going to happen over and over again. What about the poor 90 yr old woman who was strip searched at security and was wearing an adult diaper? She wasnt profiled in anyway and I am sure what she went thru was just as humiliating and offensive. Its everyone not just you.

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    • and so that makes it ok? prove to me that this sort of profiling and strip searching actually has a material affect on reducing terrorist activity, and then we’ll talk.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      You’re incorrect when you say “everyone.” People of a certain appearance are significantly more likely to be searched for no reason, even with the anecdotes about the 90-year-old woman.

      The security theater we’re exposed to doesn’t make us safer. It makes us more fearful, especially of people who don’t look like us.

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      • I have often wondered if the “90 year old white woman” strip search wasn’t done deliberately, specifically for the agencies involved to be able to say, “No we don’t profile, we randomly search everyone – haven’t you heard about the embarrassing incident with the 90 year old lady? I mean, no WAY we would have selected her to search if it wasn’t completely random and we weren’t totally following protocol to the letter!”

        As ridiculous and paranoiac as it is, that’s the only explanation I’ve been able to think of that makes any sense.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “They must have had some reason or concern to call this issue in and thus deal with the consequences of themselves and the whole plane being delayed and questioned”

      No, they mustn’t have. THAT’S THE WHOLE PROBLEM. This story is entirely plausible without invoking some genuinely suspicious behavior.

      Fact is, all three “suspects” were found guilty of nothing and released. That is, in and of itself, sufficient evidence to prove that the law enforcement officials acted in error.

      “Innocent until proven guilty”. That doesn’t go away just because it happens to be September 11th, or because some overly-anxious airline passenger frightened his- or herself.

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    • What To Do?

       /  September 13, 2011

      It would be nice to hear both sides.

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  230. basspig

     /  September 13, 2011

    This whole situation is criminally tragic.
    It would not have happened if the US were the US of 1941. We would have nuked Tehran, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan and maybe Iraq. Instead, America didn’t rebuild the WTC, wallows in self-pity and “Chamberlain-esque” appeasement of her enemies. America, her last vestiges, are gone, as you have discovered. She was once the oak tree, but in the winds of Sept 11, she snapped, only to reveal that the inside was a blackened, rotted hollow.

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    • Might want to remember that when Japan attacked the US. They attacked military targets.

      When the US bombed Japan–they hit civilian populations and remains, to this day, the only country in the world to use nuclear weapons against noncombatants.

      The US of today might not have gone that far, but it went places that are not a point of pride, have not made anyone safer, and in fact, have done the opposite.

      Many of the United States allies are now gunshy of cooperating with American security and law enforcement agencies because of the practice of Rendition. They have to weigh the chance of their citizens being arrested and deported to countries where they will be brutalized against the possibility that citizen might be a terrorist bearing ill will against the US.

      It’s only a matter of time before one of those agencies withholds information that actually does turn out to be legitimate and something happens.

      When it does, the US has only itself to blame for the way it’s treated innocent people.

      As bad as that is, and it’s bad enough, if they’d ‘taken the 1941′ option as you so quaintly put it, things would be even worse than they are. All of those countries would be justified in taking military action against the US as would their allies.

      Yeah, so much safer, really.

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      • Ian

         /  September 13, 2011

        Well, NOBODY in WWII comes off well by modern standards. Civilian targets were the primary targets of EVERYBODY. Japan slaughtered civilians by the thousands in China and Korea, Germany rained death from the skies over London for 76 nights straight, killing thousands, the United States killed more-or-less the entire population of Dresden, and didn’t leave two bricks on top of each other, and killed even MORE people in Tokyo. It was a brutal, brutal war.

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    • Ian

       /  September 13, 2011

      The US of 1941 which considered Germany a “European problem” and fought against the “Lend-Lease” program as getting overly involved in an issue that didn’t involve us? The Republicans who fought against FDR every step of the way? A United States so passive and uninterested in the outside world that the Japanese government had reason to believe that they could freakin’ attack Hawaii, and, because it was so far from the mainland, nobody would really care?

      In many ways, we’re better today than we were then. There was moral reason for the United States to intervene as early as 1936, certainly by 1939. And it was absolutely immoral not to do anything against the Blitz. Yet we stood idly by until we were personally attacked.

      And yet, this year, we offered air support to Libya, to help overthrow a dictator, even though he was one who had been supportive of the United States at times.

      We should neither over-romanticize the past, nor be too dismissive of today. To state that we are over, and doomed, is to give into despair.

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  231. Laura Cook

     /  September 13, 2011

    Shoshana, so sorry to hear that this happened to you. It’s unbelievable and upsetting that ignorance is still so prevalent in our country. As noted in previous comments, it seems that the terrorists have won, in a way. I hope that you can understand, however, that the police were (seemingly) just doing their jobs and following protocol (though they could have been more considerate). I cannot empathize, but sincerely hope that nothing like this ever happens to you again, though unfortunately, that possibility is not unlikely.

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  232. Jon Gorga

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for sharing your story.

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  233. Kristen

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am so sorry to hear of the terrible situation you had to experience and I am so sorry for all of the nasty comments left on this page. Peace and love.

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  234. Alex

     /  September 13, 2011

    I found this story on Twitter, and it really hit my heart that this happened… If you don’t mind me asking, whats your account? I’ll follow you :)

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  235. Jamie N

     /  September 13, 2011

    My little Shoshi!!! Even after all these years of sporadic communication my motherly protective instinct to save my 14 year old(this is how I still see you) friend took over while reading your ordeal. I wish I could of been there for you. I wish I could of done something right after for you. I am so glad the boys were not w/ you and I am very proud of your conduct and your willingness to write about it. You and hubby will be in mine and Toms prayers for closure in this matter. I love you and miss you!!!

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  236. Meme

     /  September 13, 2011

    I sincerely hope you can sue the everloving hell out of someone for this. .

    I am so sorry, ashamed, and infuriated that this happened to you.

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  237. Have you heard anything from Frontier after this? At the very least, an apology and refund would be in order. Giving their employees a refresher course in what constitutes “suspicious” behavior would be a good start, too.

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  238. marlys

     /  September 13, 2011

    Nice article. Thanks for writing it.

    One little thing: Unless I missed something, I’d change “watch stealer” to “accused watch stealer” throughout. I guess watch stealers are a bit more common that, oh, terrorists but not only was he not convicted of watch stealing, who knows if there was any reason for the accusations. In most articles, the casual “watch stealer” wouldn’t matter, in this context, of course, it does.

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  239. There are a few inconsistencies here. One is crucial to the story:

    According to the AP report: “Frontier Flight 623, with 116 passengers on board, landed without incident in Detroit at 3:30 p.m. EDT after the crew reported that two* people were spending “an extraordinarily long time” in a* bathroom, Frontier spokesman Peter Kowalchuck said.”
    * Note: TWO people in A bathroom.
    In addition, the blogger says that she didn’t go to the bathroom during the flight, let alone spend “an extraordinarily long time” in one.
    I’d say she has a reasonable civil tort complaint against the airline for embellishing their report to include her. Or, someone overreacted and included her in out of stupidity. Don’t they need a legitimate complaint to seize and question her? Lots of troubling questions here about who gave whom the authority.

    The other is, I believe, poetic license, which should not have entered the picture: Blogger says she was given her cellphone while still in her cell, but she didn’t know what time it was when she walked out of the building, presumably with cellphone in her possession.

    My subconscious proofreading eye also found ” Perhaps it was two Indian man going to the bathroom in succession?” Man should be “men” — sorry; OCD.

    Otherwise, this was very well-written, and definitely well enough for me to subscribe.

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  240. Joey

     /  September 13, 2011

    Ten years later, and what have we learned? To cower as as security color warnings change? To glance suspiciously at our fellow Americans seated next to us? We were once proud to call our country a melting pot. Events like these prove that the terrified have become their own breed of terrorists.

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  241. Vivian Chan

     /  September 13, 2011

    Well, if it was me and the same thing happened and later I found out that even just 1 of those 50 other phone calls or “shadows” proved to save the life of some others, I’d thank those people that did their job!

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      Ah, yes…the classic “if we save just one life, it’s all worth it”.

      Well, bullshit. There is not enough wealth and resources on the planet to ensure the safety of every single human life. That means we have to balance cost and benefit, along with realistic evaluations of risk.

      This incident came down 100% on the wrong side of that equation.

      In any case, it turns out that NOT ONE of those “50 other phone calls or ‘shadows’” proved to save the life of anyone. So not only do these reactions come down on the wrong side of the analysis, they are examples of an infinitely wrong analysis based on the ratio of cost (non-zero) to benefit (zero).

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  242. kaligrrrl

     /  September 13, 2011

    I deeply regret this happened to you. I’m so sorry.

    I also would like you to think about the judgements you’re making about fat people here, which read like “fat = facism.”

    it is very painful for me as a fat person to be judged because of my body.

    thank you.

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  243. Arrest yerself uuuuusssssaaaa…..fucking murderous assholes! 9/11….is a fucking inside job! “Can’t truss it!”-Flavor
    FLAV

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  244. CJG

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for writing this and sharing your story and bringing even more light to the real human impact of our country’s paranoia and inhumane treatment Americans like yourself face in the name of “security”. My heart goes out to you.

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  245. Sharroot

     /  September 13, 2011

    Wow! So exactly what was the suspicious behavior again? Just because some passenger with an overactive imagination says “ooo ooo I’m scared” shouldn’t mean that the authorities have to react to it! If one of my kids thought there’s was a monster in the closet, I wouldn’t t show up with a flack jacket and a bazooka to check it out. This is so sad. And definitely racist. We’ve got to get rid of the ridiculous patriot act. P.S. I’m an old white lady.

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  246. I know the plastic seats in the back of the car too well… I’ve been unjustly put in two police cars myself, though no racism was involved in those incidents

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  247. Kiyoshigirl

     /  September 13, 2011

    This is bullshit, pure and simple. You were targeted because of the color of your skin, as were your seat mates. My daughter, a fair skinned, girl of Irish and Polish descent has a boyfriend who is of Indian descent. He has been harassed and questioned in so many different situations it is ridiculous. I truly hate to say this, but I sometimes worry that her life will be difficult if they get married and have a family. Will her husband constantly be the target of ignorant idiots? Will she and their potential children needlessly suffer because her husband and their father is targeted? I hate this. All of it.

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  248. Ocean

     /  September 13, 2011

    To think that we’ve been reduced to acting like this makes me ashamed for my country.

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  249. Shitty policy. There has to be a way to protect the liberties of people that doesn’t involve violating the liberties of those same people. It’s a brute force solution to a problem that requires not brute force but intelligence to solve.

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  250. mjay

     /  September 13, 2011

    Everyone knows the Buckeye State is a seething cauldron of terrorism and revolutionary behavior. Witness hotspots there such as Blanchester and Piqua.

    Allahu akbar!!!!!

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  251. Detroit resident

     /  September 13, 2011

    I hope you’ve found some comfort now – with your family and friends, in the arms of your husband. Historically, Detroit has been a flashpoint for violence along socioeconomic and racial lines. This situation fits right into that context – as an arbitrary, mean, and disproportionate treatment reserved for the “hated hues.” It’s also outstanding that you cited Malcolm X, who also spent some years in Detroit, as your inspiration. Your story renews and breathes new life into his struggle and his principles. And lastly, my understanding of patience in the face of hardship has deepened because of your narrative. You’re a gifted communicator, and I hope that helps you heal not just your wounds, but the open wounds of our entire nation. Shalom, salam, peace.

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  252. John

     /  September 13, 2011

    obviously you have never actually been in real trouble with the cops. Outrage? Indignities? Jiminy Christmas, so what, you were taken off a plane and checked out, good for the authorities that they take reports seriously. Consider yourself lucky you were held in a holding cell in America, in most other countries you wouldnt have had a toilet. After a few hours you were released. You act like this is the worst thing that ever happened to anyone. What the hell has the country come to that people are such crybabies. You werent mistreated, you were questioned respectfully, and once it was determined you had done nothing wrong you were released, and here you are acting like you are a victim of some sort. Personally I think you are blowing things way out of proportion and Im amazed at how many idiots are sympathizing with you. Wait til one of your family is ripped to shreds by a terrorist bomb and then cry why don’t ya. You want to be mad at someone be mad at the idiots who reported you, not the police who are doing a dangerous job to keep our skies safe.

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    • Ninabi

       /  September 13, 2011

      Lucky? Really? And if her situation- taken off a plane in handcuffs and strip searched is not considered “real trouble with the cops”- what is “real trouble”? I shudder to consider what else could be in store for American citizens who are cleared by the TSA to fly in an airplane, quietly.

      Freedom in America should not be reduced to comparing the qualities our jails to those of other countries and coming to the conclusion that a flush toilet in lieu of a fetid bucket justifies the actions of the government.

      I am sorry this happened to the writer of this blog. I would be feeling lasting anger and a sense of powerlessness after such an ordeal.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      Just because she was in America and not in a country where being detained means being raped and tortured does not make the events in this situation right. She has every right to complain about an illegal detention based on the lying report of a bigoted person.

      We have laws in this country, laws that are supposed to be some of the most cherished ideals OF this country. One of them is the freedom from illegal searches and seizures. Another is the right to face one’s accuser. Both of those laws were violated in this instance.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “You werent mistreated, you were questioned respectfully, and once it was determined you had done nothing wrong you were released”

      All patently false. She was mistreated the moment that she was forcibly removed from the airplane in handcuffs, never mind strip-searched, etc. By definition, the questioning was not respectful. If it had been, it would have occurred on the airplane, _after_ the original witness had first been questioned, and before (and without) any of the subsequent harassment.

      And perhaps she was released the moment it was determined she had done nothing wrong, but that determination should have come so much earlier in the process, the officers plainly fail the common-sense test that allows that eventual determination to be used as a defense.

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  253. critropolitan

     /  September 13, 2011

    How completely disgusting, the officials responsible should be sent to prison for kidnapping and assault.

    But they wont be, because we don’t really live in a country of laws.

    But do the next best thing and fulfill your civic duty to deter this type of tyranny by suing everyone involved for false imprisonment.

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  254. Jack

     /  September 13, 2011

    You should post the names of the officers who harassed you, along with the names of any of the flight crew that you can get a hold of. Ultimately its the flight crew that made the decision to have you hauled off of the plane like that. Publicly shaming these people for their bigotry is the only way to change anything.

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  255. I recommend this site http://1700percentproject.wordpress.com/
    “The 1700% Project is conceived as a collaborative project utilizing art as intervention. Specifically, the 1700% Project strategically intervenes against the racial profiling and rise of violence and hate directed at Muslims in a post 9/11 era. The project challenges monolithic stereotypes of a “Muslim” identity while acknowledging the significance of historical persecution.”

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  256. chris

     /  September 13, 2011

    Never been terrified of terrorists here. Never felt the need to have the government protect me. I am disgusted at the police state we’ve evolved into. I blame the American people, for allowing this to happen. YOU believe the crap that is spoon fed to you. You drooled over the lies, and disinformation spoon fed you on 9/11. Now we all must live with the consequences!

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  257. Nice post let the world know. I am from India, and probably you can judge the following by reading the lines below .

    I was travelling out of Wauwatosa International Airport in 2010, for my flight to India, via St. Pauls. The check in luggage had been cleared , and I was going with my cabin luggage, when suddenly I was stopped. The lady said me that my name has been picked up “randomly”, and I need a stricter security check. I agreed to that and upturned my cabin luggage, to find several clothes of mine. From that moment on, , I had thought to myself, maybe this “random” check was because I am an Indian, and this post from a US citizen, nails my belief.

    I was denied a housing apartment when the house owner heard I was from India, she just hung up .

    Though I am not a a Muslim, just wanted to let you know, that Muslims working on Research and Patents at Harvard / MIT need to go an extra mile ( maybe wait one to two months more ) for renewing this visa.

    All of the above are my personal experiences , and I have witnessed it.

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  258. Horrifying. I am sorry. Not all rednecks are xenophobic – Try not to let the rage of this injustice cloud your mind.

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  259. Thank God you got through this event with out further infringement on your civil rights, although it seems people of a certain color have few whether it is 9/11 or not. How do we regain the rights that MLK died while trying to secure? Did we ever have them?

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  260. So sorry for your ordeal and that it happened in Detroit. I was so proud of Detroit post 9-11. Having re-patriated from Saudi, I found my favorite Middle Eastern restaurants flying American flags and the owners reporting no abuse or drop in business. The Arab Americans in the metro area being so well established, acceptance seemed universal of these citizens, immigrants who in Detroit help revitalize. I felt prejudice against Muslims was very low compared to Phoenix & other cities. Middle Eastern restaurants went out of business in Scottsdale solely because of 9-11. A Sikh gas station owner was murdered in Phoenix by ignorant racists.

    But let’s not forget “driving while Black” and the ordeals that take place there. Being pulled over on the e-way by a dozen police cars at gun point because you resemble a bank robber who is 30 yrs younger, and detained there on your knees in the heat, handcuffed, hoping your neighbors don’t drive by. Or my Mexican girlfriend going to Kinkos, having raw eggs thrown at her and the most vile things screamed at her. Many in this country are confused about ethnic groups and revel in their ignorance. Many are proud they only speak “American” and know no other languages. We have a culture that glorifies ignorance, and it is these people who cause trouble. Just like that monster in Norway who may have had a PHD, but was so filled with hate it cancelled out any brains he ever had.

    Everybody join your local Kristof Reader Meetup and we try to create a world without hate.

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  261. I’m sorry. I’m so angered and saddened by what happened that that is all I can muster. I’m sorry. I’m sorry this happened to you. I’m sorry that people continue to spread hate and bigotry on this post. I’m sorry that this is what it means to be American: to spread hate, paranoia and fear. I’m sorry. I’m going to go and hug my children and do the best I can to teach them not to hate and fear others based on ethnicity so that this cannot happen to others in the future. I’m sorry.

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  262. I’m sorry this happened to you. I am not a fan of suing people, but I think you have a real case here. This goes beyond questioning- no one should be forced to remove their clothing in the presence of strangers or locked up without evidence. If you need financial support I’d be glad to donate what I can, along with many others.

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    • Vivian Chan

       /  September 13, 2011

      Gamoe!!! Are you serious?

      “I am not a fan of suing people, but I think you have a real case here. ”
      —– Sure the security personnel for doing their duty to respond to a call. What if you had family members on one of the other planes with a similar call and nobody responded, and it DID have plotting people on it (maybe they were carry articles of a weapon to use later)

      “no one should be forced to remove their clothing in the presence of strangers or locked up without evidence.”
      —- What evidence would you want a terrorist to have. If there was evidence, it would be in shards strewn out along the land or injected into a building. Are you looking for a t-shirt that says “I have something hidden here” or maybe you are just clueless?

      “If you need financial support I’d be glad to donate what I can, along with many others.”
      —- Ahh, the answer to my previous question about having a clue has been answered in full. Nice job.

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  263. I am so sorry. I wish folks would stop with the profiling already. And another thing, what is this with saying folks who have to go to the bathroom during a flight are possibly dangerous people? Leaves me to wonder, if going to the bathroom is also suspicious behavior, then I too should never fly again. I have a bladder disease that causes me to make frequent trips to the bathroom. I just don’t get it. How can use of bathroom equate to dangerous? It is bad enough folks have to be molested to get on board, now if they are a certain race or go to the bathroom, they are dangerous or suspicious? People need to get a grip. The problem is not skin color or place of birth or religion, or how many times someone visits the toilet. The problem is that we are a scared people that are willing to give up all of our liberties to feel safe to those that may not have our best interests in mind.

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  264. Stupid. Americans.

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  265. Thank you for this. I sincerely appreciate your relating your experience so that others can learn. It is unforgivable and you have my support. This is not the America it should be and frankly, I’m ashamed.

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  266. So an airline check-in clerk decides to seat three darker skinned people in the same row and all hell breaks loose.

    Looks like the price of Eternal Vigilance might be Freedom. Now where’ve I heard that? Seems vaguely familiar – Huffington? Juffington? Hefferson …?

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  267. I am horrified and angry. I can’t believe that things like this happen in the USA. This is not the country I grew up in.

    I haven’t flown for years, and I have no intention of ever flying in the future. I don’t want to be patted down, touched, by some stranger, or have my body exposed to a “scan” that sometimes make their way onto the Internet, I don’t want strangers going through my luggage, although that’s less offensive but I am concerned about theft. I’ll take a train or a bus before I get on a plane again.

    The previous commenter is correct: The terrorists have won.

    Benjamin Franklin said that “Those who would give up Essential Liberty
    to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” We’re over that precipice, and it makes me ill to think of it, to live it.

    Keep writing.

    Jules

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  268. Great account of what happened! Makes you wonder about who is instilling terror & fear in the people. America is not a place I will visit anytime soon, it scares me. Sorry you had to endure such nonsense, Trouble is you can’t fix this shit it’s just getting worse. Feel the Love!

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  269. The fact that this horrible thing happened to you does not suprise me at all. I live in Australia and this week on television during the media build up to Sept 11, there were numerous interviews and television spots on every channel. One in particular sickened me quite a bit, a rather old senile looking ‘authoritive’ figure said something along the lines of ‘this september 11, if you even look like a terrorist – you will be investigated’ or some such similar nonsense. Immediately in my mind I thought, that any person not fitting the ‘white’ mould, was going to have a really crappy day. After reading this posting, boy was my initial feeling right – although I am truly sorry that it was. I was really sickened by what the ‘authoritive’ figures did to you and I sincerely hope you never experience anything so degrading to your person, ever again. It is stuff like this that really leaves me questioning the small minded morons of the world.

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  270. A grotesque injustice. It is imperative that a president is elected who opposed the Patriot Act and all of the violations that have followed from the aftermath of 9/11, not to mention the appallingly brutal and counterproductive wars. I leave it to you to figure out which candidate fits the bill.

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  271. Thank you for staying strong and posting your story.

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  272. richs-lxhrich

     /  September 13, 2011

    Somebody just posted a link here from Google +
    I am shocked and saddened at what has happened to our society.
    In Europe and the US we claim to have democracy and to be free and civilized, while attacking other countries for civil-rights abuses and and a lack of democracy. What hypocrisy. We are all being controlled, we have no rights.
    What happened to this poor woman is disgusting, sickening even, in the so called land of the free. I really hope that this story goes viral. People need to see this.

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  273. David

     /  September 13, 2011

    Very sorry to hear that you had to go through this, what an unpleasant and frightening experience.

    Nonetheless, the only person that has done wrong is the passenger who, perhaps due to their own personal prejudices, alerted authorities that you were acting suspiciously.

    The security response – though heavyhanded – is one that I would expect, especially on the anniversary of Sept 11 and I and millions of others are thankful that authorities take security so seriously now. Every suspicion, especially aboard a plane, must be investigated. That is simply the way of the world now and if people want to keep using aircraft they will have to put up with it.

    Can you imagine if three people who really WERE going to blow up the plane were reported as suspicious by a passenger and the authorities decided not to take it seriously. And then the plane WAS blown up. The FBI and Homeland security etc would be hauled over the coals without mercy for their inaction. Their ‘ineptitude’ would be splashed across the world’s papers. They are in a no-win situation where they are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

    What you went through was not your fault. Neither was it the fault of the authorities. In the end it’s the fault of terrorists, extremists and fanatics who, through their terrible actions, have created the world we now live in.

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    • One small flaw in your logic. If a terrorist had managed to sneak an explosive device on board that plane–why would they wait until the police boarded to blow it?

      You could make the argument that MAYBE they were actually going to blow a connecting flight (ignoring the part where they’d have to pass through security again and, thus, increase the chances the device might be discovered) but it doesn’t seem all that likely.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “Nonetheless, the only person that has done wrong is the passenger who, perhaps due to their own personal prejudices, alerted authorities that you were acting suspiciously.”

      That really depends on what that passenger actually reported.

      If the passenger reported genuinely suspicious activities, then yes…they are the only one who has done wrong. And they should be prosecuted for submitting a false report to the police.

      If on the other hand, as I suspect, they simply identified the three as being “suspicious” and law enforcement took it from there, then it’s very far from the truth that only the original passenger is in the wrong. The law enforcement officers involved are completely culpable, for failing to protect the civil rights of the three and for overreacting to the report.

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  274. John B. Mordecai

     /  September 13, 2011

    So fake. Very wordy with too many “details.” FYI, no civilian officers wear fatigues.

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    • What To Do?

       /  September 13, 2011

      I think she’s looking for a book deal and will get it with so many sympathizers. And, everyone keeps telling her to sue. Well, guess whose pockets that is going to come out of. I was quite saddened to see that our local newspaper had a spread about the local Muslim’s after 9/11 (on the front page) and on the 3rd page was an article about one of the helicopter pilots that was killed in Afghanistan. So sorry, but we are trying to show the world that we love everyone, that we are forgetting about the men and women who have put their lives on the lines for us so that all of us can add our little opinions and comments to this post.

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      • Allison

         /  September 14, 2011

        Do not sully the memory of the people who have died fighting for our freedoms by invoking them in the name of trampling on other people’s freedoms. You do their sacrifice a disservice when you do so. Our right to disagree with our government is fundamental to this country, and we don’t have to give it up because people died “for us.”

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    • What do you make of all the news reports about this incident? Associated Press reported it on 9/11 from an outside point of view, before this blog was written. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/11/us-airline-passengers-detained/

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  275. CNelson (NZ)

     /  September 13, 2011

    Amazing post, thank you for writing about this in such detail; everyone should know what is going on. I am so sorry this happened to you. It breaks my heart that fear still rules. Strangely, the fear of someone on that plane (their fear of terrorism – which in their mind must look like foreigners on a plane) took precedent over the fear of you and the two men who were taken away and mistreated. Why were you allowed to be genuinely frightened, because of someone else’s fearful suspicions? This itself is proof that the world we live in is NOT ok. We have not advanced to a better place in ten years. We are all living in fear – whether a fear of terrorism, a fear of foreigners, or a fear of being abused for looking a certain way or being from a particular part of the world. We should not be segregated by this, and yet we are. Only more information and a better understanding will help – I believe your post is a part of that.

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  276. Reading this from the comfort and sanity of Australia, I am horrified at what you endured. The events of what happened ten years ago were truly horrible but the stories that we keep reading of the level of paranoia in the US are likewise horrifying. It makes one cautious of ever visiting the country when there can be such irrational and unjustifiable behaviour. Of course, security has ramped up here as well but fortunately not to this level. Also people are not routinely handcuffed in this country. I hope that you are able to retain your equilibrium, sanity and sense of humour after this dreadful experience.

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  277. Absolutely terrible.

    One more reason never to visit the U S of A.

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  278. “Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad”

    (Latin: Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius) appeared originally in the Greek play Medea by Euripides.
    The play describes Medea’s descent (and her awareness of this descent as it occurs) into self destructive madness where she kills her own children in order to hurt her ex lover.

    America is stark staring gibbering insane.

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    • For the benefit of those who don’t make the jump, perhaps I should explicitly make the parallels between the play and the current situation.

      America and radical Islam used to be lovers.
      “During the 1970s, when the Russia was the biggest threat to America and radical Islam was not as a concern of the USA’s, the USA began funding and training Islamic militants to fight our Russian enemies in Afghanistan.
      These militants, known as the mujahideen would rebel the Russians out of Afghanistan and later become the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.
      One of the most prominent members of he mujahideen was a wealthy son of a Saudi Arabian businessman named Osama Bin Laden.”
      http://newsone.com/newsone-original/casey-gane-mccalla/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/

      Now an insane America attacks itself and its own ‘children’ in a fight with its ex-lover. It’s on the road to nowhere.

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  279. I got a link to your blog from one of my friends on twitter, and I have shared it on my facebook.
    It is actually scary that one or two fellow passengers have that much power, that they could get the police to come, and bring you and the two Indian men into custody – without letting you know why – and strip-search you.
    I am amazed at how calmly you have been able to write about this, and I think it was very good of you to share your horrifying story.

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  280. Jason

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for sharing your story. You are making a difference.

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  281. While that would certainly have been a distressing experience, Shoshana, I’m afraid I have to admit, I don’t feel great sympathy. As they say, there are 2 sides to every story, and here are some possible sides:
    http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/delhi-high-court-blast-11-killed-76-injured_730261.html
    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/twin-blasts-in-mumbai-15-injured/167291-3.html
    What you went through, and all the attendant “ills” like the racial profiling, are an unfortunate outcome of the times we live in. And as soon as we recognise that it is only an attempt to secure ourselves against acts like the ones in Delhi and Mumbai, and Karachi, and Bali, and Kabul…we will develop a greater acceptance of the circumstances. Are these attempts perfect? No, not at all. But its funny, sitting here in India, we always quote the US example, that at least they responded with an iron fist and there has not been a single attack on the US since 9/11.

    Would I like to go through such an experience? No. But is it better than being blown into smithereens, because we were not paranoid? Is it better than a child, spouse, parent, sibling, friend meeting an untimely and horrifying end, or worse still being crippled for life? Umm, let me think about that!

    And so I would like to raise another question. How much of our discomfort, outrage and anger against such situations is a result of our own fragile egos? I mean, what is this american obsession with Civil Liberties, and Rights, and Freedom? All noble constructs, but are they higher than the Greater Good? Have we distorted the meaning of all these to imply a lack of tolerance of individual inconvenience? From your account, while it must certainly have been a very sudden, harrowing and uncomfortable experience, and the initial anger is absolutely justified, it does not seem like there was any intentional discomfort or pain caused, or even any rudeness or aggression on the part of the staff. They seemed to be professionals doing their job. And what is so humiliating about a strip search as long as it is conducted professionally and is deemed necessary? Don’t we comply with medical procedures requiring the same? Even if after the procedure we find it was not necessary but just a precaution? Isn’t it the same case here? Just because WE know we are not guilty, we feel outraged and violated? Wouldn’t a realisation of the reason for the same, and a tolerance for the cause of the greater good, change one’s view about this?

    To summarise, all I am saying is, while we must definitely be vigilant to ensure that the precautionary/preventive measures are not being taken too far, we also have to apply a similar vigilance to ensure that our fierce protection of our individual rights are not an outcome of bloated egos and self-importance, such that they become bigger than the Greater Good. Cause, once again, THIS is the POTENTIAL other side of not doing what the FBI did that night.

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/twin-blasts-in-mumbai-15-injured/167291-3.html

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    • I think, Vikas, that if you consult a map of the Earth, you might notice that the logistical issues of getting bombs and bombers into Mumbai are significantly less than those involved for entry into the US.

      Are you suggesting that the Mumbai bombings would have been prevented if airline crews and passengers had kept a careful note of the amount of time that poeple spent in the bathrooms?

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “Would I like to go through such an experience? No. But is it better than being blown into smithereens, because we were not paranoid?”

      False dichotomy. The reaction of law enforcement was far in excess of what was needed to ensure against “being blown into smithereens”.

      Your “argument” (and I hesitate to use so strong a word to describe your words) is full of logical fallacy and lacks any supporting evidence. The choice you claim we need to make is not a true one at all; it’s simply the fake choice that those in power _claim_ we must make, to justify their incremental but increasing erosion of our civil rights.

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    • What To Do?

       /  September 13, 2011

      Thank you Vikas – that was great!

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    • How are the links and what you are saying even remotely relevant? I miss the connection

      Are you suggesting it is perfectly ok to be hauled into a jail overnite simply because of the way you look or because someone thought you sitting with complete strangers and playing with your mobile would be treated as suspicious by a stranger?

      The times are real. We as humans need to be careful and smart but that does not give us or any other individual to simply point us as suspicious and get strip searched!!!

      Value of life is priceless – ask the people who have experienced the loss. At the same time the value of living a life of dignity is priceless. ask Shoshana!! Who gives the right to anyone to do what they did to Shoshana simply at the whim of a fellow passenger.

      And here is the correlation – Indian Media is not far behind in pumping in Paranoia (I already sense it from you) and believe me, you wouldn’t want to be searched and thrown into a Jail in India!!!

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  282. Sebastian

     /  September 13, 2011

    You have my sympathies; even just reading the story got me outraged, and if it had happened to me, they could have just kept me a bit longer for assaulting an officer or two.
    Then again it might have been the cruel thing to do, but I’d have really gone into paranoia mode when asked about suspicious activities on the plane, especially if there was a chance that it was still on the tarmac. “Sure, there was this man who went to the back of the plane, and he looked *really* determined. Whereto? I’d guess the toilet, but who could say for sure? Oh, and there was this woman…” Yes, I suppose I’m a bastard, but it’d give a planeful of people an insight about what rights and freedoms they actually have, and hopefully taught one person in special what paranoid denunciations lead to.
    Also, at the time the agents gave their goodbye speeches, I’d probably have told the next best officers that those agents had acted rather suspicious, too…

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  283. Heather

     /  September 13, 2011

    I sincerely hope you contact a lawyer about this. At the very least, you need to know whether they violated any of your rights or broke protocol. What ever happened to Miranda? Last I heard, they legally have to read you your rights. They never told you why you were being detained or what crime you supposedly committed. They never allowed you to contact a lawyer or obtain legal council. They didn’t even allow you a telephone call. Being the 10th anniversary of 9/11 isn’t an excuse for violating your constitutional rights.

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  284. Keith Brewster

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for sharing the story of your ordeal Shoshana. I’m so sorry that you had to go through that.

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  285. A shocking story really, but unsurprising given the whipping up of racism and Islamophobia by politicians and media. There was a time when simply being off-colour was enough to create suspicion. I didn’t bother going outside on Sunday.

    I’m sure this will linger with you for the rest of your life. I’ve had a couple of racist attacks on me (I am south asian) and I still remember them and am wary of every young Caucasian male I see now.

    This is, unfortunately, the kind of divide that the politicians and media wish to create (Bush and Blair are no friends of Muslims).

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    • Michael M

       /  September 13, 2011

      So let me get this straight, you decry racism and in the same comment you admit your own prejudice against white men based on two bad experiences? So all white men are racists in your mind. We will never overcome racism when the charges only work in one direction.

      So I have been held up twice by young black males(once by gun point). So do I have justification to be wary of every young black male I see or is that racist because I am white?

      You can’t have it both ways.

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      • What To Do?

         /  September 13, 2011

        Great Comment Michael.

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      • Sarah S

         /  September 15, 2011

        Well, I’ve been robbed by men several times in the past. If I’m out alone at night and I see a man or a couple of men hanging out on the sidewalk ahead of me am I wary? You better believe I am! I’ll probably cross the street – just in case- and keep an eye out to make sure he isn’t following. Does this make me a man-hater? I don’t think so. I’ve got a great husband of 17 years, a wonderful father and two lovely brothers- not to mention various men friends and relatives. Do I think the man on the street should be taken away in handcuffs and given cavity searches just to make sure they weren’t hiding a knife up there- all because- based on past experience- I’m nervous of men hanging out on the street at night? No. Even if I were idiotic enough to think it would make me safer to pull random men off the street and investigating their anuses just because statistically men are FAR more likely to commit crimes than women I would fight it with all my might because THIS IS AMERICA, DAMMIT. Or… at least it was…

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  286. Janet

     /  September 13, 2011

    So sad that this happened to you and others. We’ve become so paranoid and divided over the last 10 years.

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  287. daniele

     /  September 13, 2011

    I really just hope that the person who reported the suspicious activity reads this post. I hope that so much.

    Even some of the newspaper reporting on this makes it sound like there was actually good reason to take people off planes and handcuff them.

    Ridiculous. This makes me so angry.

    Also, if I were you, I probably would have been crying.

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  288. patch

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for posting this. Sorry that you were the victim of an idiot on a plane who didn’t have sense enough to recognize an innocent situation. I wish you peace.

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  289. change

     /  September 13, 2011

    I’m sorry you had to endure this, but what would you have done differently if you were the police? What if the men you unfortunately had sat between were terrorists? Would you feel differently about your ordeal if it had saved hundreds or thousands of lives? I’m not saying what they did is right – especially the strip search, and not letting you call your husband – but without detaining and questioning, how would they know? How would they have time to determine if you were bad or good. I am of Irish descent, and there was a time in this country when, because of prejudice, an Irish person would not be hired to work. (Signs saying, “No Irish need apply”.) Until we know a person, we have nothing to go on except what they “look” like. The system needs to be changed, but not done away with.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “but without detaining and questioning, how would they know?”

      It is patently apparent that there was in fact no _actual_ suspicious behavior. So, “how would they know”? “They” would “know” by simply asking the witness for _specific_ descriptions of the supposed suspicious behavior, and then making a reasonable judgment based on that, rather than making the completely ridiculous assumption that a random passenger on a domestic airline flight has sufficient skill to make a judgment regarding what’s actionable and what’s not.

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    • What would you have done differently if you were the police?

      Knowing that many people are afraid of their own shadow and see threats where none exist, and that many Americans are irrationally terrorized by the fear instilled in them by the government and media for the last ten years, and that my legal responsibility was to investigate, not react in fear, I would have noticed that the plane landed without incident, that there was no probable cause to suspect any criminal activity, possibly detained all the passengers long enough to inspect an empty plane, and perhaps had the airport authorities empty all the toilet holding tanks for inspection.

      Been there, done that ~ you don’t arrest or search people without specific articulable facts constituting probable cause to believe a crime has been or is being committed. “I’m suspicious” is not probable cause.

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  290. marlee

     /  September 13, 2011

    I experienced a pat down by an abusive female agent and was humilated and couldn’t believe that this could happen in our country.

    I can’t even comprehend what you went through.

    There is no longer a balance between our rights and security…our rights have disappeared. Do not tolerate it.
    Express your concerns to your representatives and continue to forward these stories to social media, group lists etc!

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  291. I hope that writing about this helped you get over it. I could never forget something like this happening to me.
    I feel ashamed of being of the same “race” known as humans. I’m ashamed of the blatant stupidity and blindness the “civilized” world is subjected to. We should never give in to our fears and angers, never.

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  292. nomatter

     /  September 13, 2011

    It happened to so many people right after 9/11. Why should you care now? Because it happened to you?

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    • Sam

       /  September 13, 2011

      Sure, why not? It’s hard to believe things happen until they’re close to home. How many issues do you not currently fight for… but would the minute it affected you? Hey, do you care about bone marrow donations? What if a family member suddenly needed a transplant? Sure; then you’d care. I mean, come on. Your statement is foolish.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      How do you know she didn’t care then? Because she only wrote a blog post now? Your statement is illogical.

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  293. Thank you for sharing. Much blessings

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  294. This reminds me of this;
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107207/

    “We like to think we live in a fair and just society, but we can still lock a man up for 19 years and deny him the use of witness statements that might have cleared his name, you call that justice? not in my eyes” – Still Burning by Stiff Little Fingers on the Guitar and Drum album.

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  295. mrs hebshi. after reading your account on the gawker.com, i wanted to say how brave and courageous i think you are. i don’t think anyone would have blamed you, for reacting angrily, either towards those who detailed you, or when writing this account. the fact that you maintained your decorum throughout this, HAS to be commended. it also shows that these measures, adopted by the powers that be, are only helping to empower those, whose acts of murder, brought us to this point. the fact that the american government, as well as a number of its citizens, haven’t grasped that reality yet, only helps to empower purveyors of terror, when what they should be drawing their inspiration from, are those who chose to put the lives and safety of others, ahead of their own. ordinary people, who became heroes, because it was the right thing to do. regardless of race, religion or creed.

    thank you for sharing your account.

    respectfully

    tee

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  296. I drove about 550 miles on 9/11. No problem. But while I usually fly without any issues (though, for whatever reason, I was singled out for extra searches every time I flew in 12/2001), this story ives me pause about flying. The crazy people have been in charge for over 10 years.

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  297. Thanks for sharing this, and all the details. It’s good to get these things out in the open.

    Sorry to hear about what you went through. I don’t believe it was right or necessary, and I know it’s not the kind of thing I want my government doing in my name.

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  298. gms

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for carrying through with writing such a wonderful article your horrible experience. I was amazed at your patience and ability to keep calm under those circumstances. I kept waiting to read the word ‘humiliation’ which finally came near the end, and so resonated with me. I was pulled out of line for a full body scan in London this year and was not given the option of a pat-down as an alternative – there is no choice here. I was really enraged about it, I objected verbally and loudly, demanded to see who was behind the door who would be looking at me naked and exposing me to more radiation, and was only given the choice to just not fly. That was not possible at the time. When it was finished, I ran to the bathroom and cried for 15 minutes. Reactions differ with every person’s own life experiences and psyche. You are a saint for dealing with what you faced in such a positive way. We must somehow force change to come about. They treated you shamefully, until they were satisfied you were not a threat. What you experienced was simply disgusting. May you keep up the good fight! And thank you again.

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  299. Tarah

     /  September 13, 2011

    Wow, I’m so sorry you had to endure this. I am married to an Indian woman, whose parents live in Dubai, and I can’t imagine how I would react if something like this ever happened to her, our family on her side, or, eventually, our children. There’s a vast difference between security and reasonable protection of a society and ignorant, racial profiling based on fear and impulse. Thank you for sharing your story; I’m hopeful that each of these stories helps to chip away at peoples’ misplaced fears just a little more each time.

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  300. Tim M

     /  September 13, 2011

    Please tell me that you’re going to sue those people. The only way they will be forced to stop this nonsense is if people stand up to their tyranny. I was afraid that this would happen on 9/11. They no doubt had a plan to harass travelers to keep the fear ratcheted up.

    Governments need enemies, otherwise they can’t justify their bloated budgets and the police state dragnet we’re all under now.

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  301. I had to re read sections to be certain I had taken in the words correctly. Unbelievable. Has all common sense fled? Very sad and sobering what things have come to here. The terrorists have certainly done their work well…

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  302. Meredith Schwartz

     /  September 13, 2011

    My god, I am so sorry.

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  303. I kow this is small comfort to you, but I am so sorry this happened. I certainly hope your blog entry will reach many people and spread awareness about this.

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  304. Akash

     /  September 13, 2011

    I don’t think my comments will be liked. I live in Bombay and we have seen a whole lot of terror attacks here – both pre and post the terror attacks at the Taj hotel on 11/26.
    Every time there is an attack on bombay, we keep talking about how the US has managed to prevent any and all terror attacks since 9/11. I daresay that we Indians would gladly give up some civil liberties in exchange for fewer bomb blasts.

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    • It is is a tough decision. In America, over 8000 people are killed a year with handguns and 100,000 injured (I don’t know how many people die in bombings in India annually), but we choose to keep the civil liberty to allow gun ownership as is given in the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution.

      There are three major differences between India (a country I like and the largest democracy in the world) and the US. The summary is:

      - The USA has a US Constitution with a Bill of Rights for citizens
      - We have no natural internal enemy groups in our country of any signicant size
      - We do not have any close external country threats as most people who hate the US and are motivated to do something violent are living thousands of miles over the oceans. For airline threats, we have no significantly high threat from suicidal airline passengers with non-metallic bombs that 1) work and 2) cause significant damage. Contrast this with hijackings by gun which used to average 4 a month in the US vs NO airline fatal airline passenger bombings in 48 years.

      1) We have a US Constitution that protects the natural rights and freedoms of individuals, in the Bill of Rights, from the Government. Power of the government is derived from the people who vote – this is peaceful change vs change at the barrel of a gun. I have not read nor am aware of what rights the Indian constitution and Indian law gives to its citizens.

      2) You live in a country with relatively large pockets of unrest – look at the ethnic strife and killings, especially in what I percieve as some of the more outlying provinces. You have Muslim – Hindu issues as well that have become violent. And, on your border, is a nuclear-armed enemy country in Pakistan to go along with the disputed territory of Kashmir. I am sure you are more aware of this than I am!

      The US has no natural enemy country at its borders (Cuba you could count, but it is not nuclear armed like your enemy and is much smaller across 80 miles of ocean or whatever). We have no internal ethnic strife (The Native American Indians should probably be the deepest pocket of unrest and they do not appear to have organized violence perpetrated against our government). We do not have organized religious or ethnic groups who are routinely bombing government buildings or civilians.

      3) The biggest difference is we have no succesful organized terrorism threat like India, Russia, and Iraq have faced in recent years. The last successful organized attack was on 9-11-01, over 10 years ago. Since then, legal law enforcement has stopped two legitimate attacks I am aware of which was when a retail clerk reported suspicious pictures that resulted in the arrest of NJ Muslims from former Russia territories (i.e. they look white, like Eastern Europe folks for those who care) and the student in Texas. Good, legal investigative work was used and no citizens had their rights violated like what happens at the airports every day.

      Many of the other plots reported have been mostly through entrapment, such as one in NYC where an informant spent several months convincing a guy who became unemployed to join in planning a plot.

      FOR AIRPLANES
      There is no reasonble threat to justify strip searches of passengers (the naked scanners) and touching genitals and breasts of over 1 million Americans a month.

      There have been ZERO bombings of US domestic flights over the last FORTY EIGHT YEARS caused by an airline passenger using a working non-metallic bomb. The last fatality from this was in 1963 in Missouri, when a passenger used a dynamite bomb for insurance purposes.

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      • One thing. Pakistan has seen a pretty huge number of terrorist attacks too and we’ve lost thousands of people to bombings and extremist activities over the past ten years. We might be on good terms with India, but we are the best Ally the US has had in the war against terror.

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    • Susan

       /  September 13, 2011

      Thank you Akash for an honest response that really puts this in perspective. This blog is full of a bunch of ideologists who all seem to think that their personal rights are more important than safety of our people. They might think differently if they had been through what you have.

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      • Naren

         /  September 14, 2011

        So you guys (Akash, Susan) completely missed the point here. I’m from Bombay too, have been through the same, and make the exact same comments that US has done a great job. But that’s not the point here!!

        Didn’t anyone consider the plane had already landed, and was not blown up or hijacked by our ‘terrorists’ who were sitting next to each other conspiring all through the flight. It’s not like their ‘efforts’ were prevented by anyone. But all that happened was someone reported that 3 brown people sitting next to each other, and two them probably spending a little more time in the bathroom. The ‘authorities’ themseleves said they had 50 such incidents reported through the day.

        So the point is this could have been handled in a completely different way, without subjecting them to such treatment! There was no reason to put them in such a cell.

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      • Allison

         /  September 14, 2011

        Personal rights are fundamental to the idea of this country, and were the cornerstone on which this country was founded. If we give up rights for undefined and nebulous “safety,” we deserve neither and will lose both.

        Those words aren’t original, by the way. You might have heard of their original author, Benjamin Franklin. He was pretty important.

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  305. Stan Dubinsky

     /  September 13, 2011

    I believe that this post is a (badly written) piece of fiction. The woman who was detained is Ilona Hajdar, who was traveling with her 2 1/2 year old child. Note that there is no mention of a child in all of this. Also, compare the news report timeline to this post http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/11/us-airline-passengers-detained/
    What happened was probably bad enough without some idiot making up Abu Gharaib wet dreams about it.
    Watch for the author of this blog to either delete my post, or rewrite their bad story.

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    • Obviously, you’re unable to read/comprehend properly – it says the WITNESS was Ilona Hajdar, not that the woman detained was.

      Here’s a pic – http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ilona-hajdar-27-charlotte-mich-holds-her-daughter-photo-023000345.html

      Get some proper english lessons.

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    • Rebecca

       /  September 13, 2011

      Stan:
      I believe you are mistake. Ms. Hajdar was simply another passenger on the plane, relating what she saw. She wasn’t detained. You might want to re-read the article. The people arrested and extensively detained (rather than questioned and released like all but three on the flight) were not named by authorities or the newspaper.

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    • Stan :)
      Your comprehension skills are sub-optimal.
      Read that link you gave again – more carefully this time.
      “The three escorted off the plane in handcuffs included two men and a woman, passenger Ilona Hajdar of Charlotte, Mich., told The Associated Press.”

      What this means is:
      A passenger named Ilona Hajdar (of Charlotte, Mich.,) told The Associated Press that “The three escorted off the plane in handcuffs included two men and a woman.”

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    • Stan, you need to learn to read. The passenger Ilona was reporting that a woman and two men were detained, not that -she- was one of the ones who was detained.

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    • Matt

       /  September 13, 2011

      You’re wrong. That woman was the eye witness quoted in the story not the person dragged off the plane.

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    • marlee

       /  September 13, 2011

      Your response is a badly written piece of fiction…

      you must read the whole article before you state your ‘reality:

      Ilona Hajdar was a passenger who witnessed the 3 who were forced off the plane…..

      good grief!

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    • Ellen

       /  September 13, 2011

      Stan, when the Las Vegas Sun’s primary headlines are about Cirque auditions and Sonic carhops, you know that it is indeed a very credible and influential online newspaper.

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    • heather

       /  September 13, 2011

      Stan, read the article you linked to! Ilona Hajdar was a witness giving her account to the newspaper, NOT the name of the woman who was removed from the plane. The names of the people taken away in handcuffs are not reported in the article.

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    • Rebecca

       /  September 13, 2011

      Ilona Hajdar is the person talking to the press, not the woman detained. The Sun piece is badly written.

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    • She who rarely comments

       /  September 13, 2011

      Is your comment regarding this sentence in the article?

      “The three escorted off the plane in handcuffs included two men and a woman, passenger Ilona Hajdar of Charlotte, Mich., told The Associated Press.”

      I understood this to mean that Ilona Hajdar was a passenger on the plane who told the journalist what she observed happen to the men and a woman. My interpretation is supported by her statement “the three escorted off the plane in handcuffs included two men and a woman” which is the third person. Given that Richard Nixon referred to himself in the third person, if the woman who was escorted off the plane really was Ilona Hajdar, then maybe there was reason for concern.

      I rarely post comments on blogs but I was disturbed by your comment. Please please please reread things before making accusations like this.

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    • If you re-read the article, you will find that Ilona Hadjar was a passenger interviewed by the Associated Press for the story — she was not the woman detained. None of the persons detained were named in the article.

      Here is the sentence that you mis-read: “The three escorted off the plane in handcuffs included two men and a woman, passenger Ilona Hajdar of Charlotte, Mich., told The Associated Press.”

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      • Sorry, sorry! (I am redundant even in my apologies for redundancy). I originally read this article and comment a couple of hours ago, and no one had replied at the time. The window was still open, I re-read it and was really bothered by the comment, and I posted without refreshing the page. D’oh!

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  306. What an ugly experience. Seems like our civil rights disappear on airplanes and at airports. I know I don’t feel safer as a result of this kind of circus – merely dismayed at how absurdly hateful and pointless this so-called security is.

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  307. Meredith

     /  September 13, 2011

    This is why I don’t suddenly get fiercely patriotic come Sept. 11th: because I’m not proud of my country yet. Yes, we were attacked that day, and it was a horrible tragedy, and I feel immense sorrow when recalling those events. The fact remains, however, that the point of this act of terrorism was to incite fear among us, and we have become so afraid that even 10 years later, we still jump at shadows and strip our fellow American citizens of the rights that make America such a great country. It’s been a decade and we are still destroying ourselves from within.

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    • Meredith, I am in total agreement with you. I’m having a hard time even saying the “liberty and justice for all” part of the Pledge of Allegiance because we was not living it.

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  308. Yes you had a bad experience. You happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Problem I have with your post is you assume it was all about race. It was about you being with two people who were acting suspicious. Race had nothing to do with it. In fact, I am not bothered in the least that you and the other two passengers had such an experience. How many other innocent old white women, children, and others who are not of middle eastern decent have been targeted by the inept TSA? Every day American’s are put through discusting, personally invasive TSA pat downs at airports across the country. All because of political correctness. Never is it about the color of someones skin or their ethnicity. The United States has become a weaker nation because of the insensitivty of people who think they have a right to not be offended. It doesn’t matter if your an invalid in a wheel chair or a baby in its’s mothers arms. But if you look like you just climbed off a camel you get a free pass. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, thats just the way it is thanks to political correctness. The TSA has never stopped anyone from boarding a plane in our country who had a bomb. It’s all just a big show. The cold hard truth is that profiling is the answer. Being nice and sensitive to your feelings is not.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      Post some links to stories of white people being detained in this fashion (not searched at security, but taken off planes and detained, strip-searched, and interrogated), and then I’ll believe that your response has any basis in anything other than an attempt to brush aside racism.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “It was about you being with two people who were acting suspicious. Race had nothing to do with it. In fact, I am not bothered in the least that you and the other two passengers had such an experience. How many other innocent old white women, children, and others who are not of middle eastern decent have been targeted by the inept TSA?”

      She wasn’t “with two people who were acting suspicous[ly]“. First, all three just happened to physically near each other; they weren’t “with” each other any more than all the other passengers were. Second, the other two weren’t _actually_ acting suspiciously. It just happened that some ignorant passenger _thought_ they were.

      Finally, how does the mistreatment of all the other passengers by the TSA make _further_ (and grossly worse) mistreatment of any passenger any less horrifying?

      Ethnic/racial status is not justification in any case, but certainly every other aspect of your rationalization is flawed as well.

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    • Laura

       /  September 13, 2011

      She was not with them. The assumption that she was is caused by racism. As for the rest of your post…. oh, I can’t be bothered.

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  309. I wonder what happened to the person who reported you. Did they get held for questioning? How about wasting police time? Did anyone even tell them that you were just looking forward to getting home to your family and that the fear and anxiety they induced and the time and money they wasted did more to aid and abet terrorists than anything you ever did?

    Or did they walk off feeling like they’d just done the nation a service by reporting these dangerous, brown-skinned—sorry, “suspicious”—passengers?

    The ordeal you went through was frightful, but at least the law enforcement officials can claim they were just doing their jobs. Personally, I’m more horrified that someone took it on themselves to report you just for daring to sit on an airplane with them.

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  310. GloSeattle

     /  September 13, 2011

    How shameful we’ve come to this! I feel horrible for you, this is not how everyone is. But, unfortunately there are too many.

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  311. Wow. I’m so sorry this happened to you! As I read your blog, I was reminded of a book I recently finished reading called The Hiding Place. It’s about the Nazi takeover of Holland. The armed guards, the refusal to answer your questions, the racism, and the interrogation was all the same. God forgive us for what our country has done and where we are going.

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  312. Seriously? People are saying that because you didn’t react with perfect calm and understanding that your entire argument is invalid.

    Ye.

    Gods.

    It’s so much fun to watch (supposedly) grown adults use 7-year-old logic in their arguments.

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  313. I wish I could say this story is unbelievable.

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  314. Thank goodness Obama said we won’t be terrorized anymore.

    Our country is composed of idiots.

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  315. dimackey

     /  September 13, 2011

    I remember reading this article a while back and thinking it was a mistake … it is the horrendous tale of a Roman lawyer who was detained on arrival in the States. In a way, you were lucky … he was shackled, in prison 10 days, and very well-connected Americans couldn’t get him out: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/14visa.html

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  316. Anon

     /  September 13, 2011

    “I believe that this post is a (badly written) piece of fiction. The woman who was detained is Ilona Hajdar, who was traveling with her 2 1/2 year old child.”

    Hajdar witnessed the incident. SHe was not the woman who was taken away. Reread the article.

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  317. Blur

     /  September 13, 2011

    “I hate rednecks”. Well, now that ain’t really fair.

    I can see how the whole ordeal would make you mad. It would make me mad, too. (Fortunately for me, I’m a hated redneck… just not an idiot, they aren’t synomonous.) But the real one to blame here is whoever reported your row to the police. The authorities only did what they’re instructed to do. Whoever reported your row was probably eyeing everyone with darker skin. It’s a shame, really.

    However, maybe it would be best if you stay grounded on future 9/11 ‘s. It ain’t right, but unfortunately it’s the way it’ll have to be. The terrorists succeeded in what they aimed for: They spread terror throughout the USA.

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    • Cat

       /  September 13, 2011

      The two gentlemen were reported because they not only spent 20 minutes in the bathroom but wouldn’t reply when plane staff knocked on the door & inquired. They were also asked to leave the bathroom & did not reply. (that’s the story I got)
      It was a mistaken assumption that she was with these gentlemen when she was removed from the plane with them.
      Since most of my family is made up of rednecks I felt this was unfair profiling on the authors account as well. :/

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        I love watching privileged white people get pissed off when a person who’s undergone a multi-hour ordeal due to racism uses an insult against the peole who are causing the ordeal.

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        • Tracy

           /  September 13, 2011

          Are all white people privileged? If so, what is it that makes them so?

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          • i’m going to venture a guess that you’re white, or otherwise of some majority-group ethnicity wherever it is that you live. if you weren’t, you wouldn’t need to ask this question.

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          • Angi

             /  September 13, 2011

            All white people are privileged. Because they will never be arrested for driving while black or detained for flying while brown.

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            • Absolutely right. I was in my splattered painting clothes at the grocery checkout , and they took my check (yeah, I’m old – get over it) without even asking for ID. The black lady behind me who’d obviously just come from church got put through the mill to get hers accepted.

              Another time I was speeding more than 10 over, saw a patrol car in my rear view and started to pull over to accept my ticket. He flew by me, though! I know the car he pulled wasn’t speeding, because I overtook them almost immediately. Yep, black couple and their baby.

              A local cop who handymanned on the side actually bragged about stopping Mexicans for nothing and dragging them out on the ground. At least this time I had the guts to object and fire him. Shoulda called out the grocery clerk and stopped to watch the traffic stop, too. Self-preservatory instinct, and wrong as hell, because it just lets things escalate.

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            White Privilege 101: http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/whiteness05.htm

            It’s part of critical race theory.

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            • Susan

               /  September 13, 2011

              LOL, Allison-what are you….an aspiring lawyer? a student? What’s with the ‘White Privilege 101′???? I know you would love a platform to enlighten us on your vast knowledge of ‘critical race theory’ but please spare us the pain (I would rather have a cavity search!)

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              • Allison

                 /  September 14, 2011

                I’m a professor, actually, and i felt that if people were going to comment on something, or criticize it, they should probably understand it.

                I know, I know, I’m weird that way, wanting people to be all informed and educated.

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  318. Jay

     /  September 13, 2011

    Maybe there should be a cost for people who make reckless and unfounded accusations or reports. At least they should be ashamed of themselves.

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  319. i am shocked by this story, as i always am when i hear of atrocities that shouldn’t happen in our modern and ‘enlightened’ age and very sorry that anyone should have to go through that.

    it is such a conflicting issue and there’s times when it’s easy to see and understand both sides, and times, like this, where it seems cut and dry.

    we are so quick to be so extreme about our opinions – there’s either the super patriotic response (that led to the patriot act, etc), or the ashamed-to-be-an-american response. and both sadden me, especially as an american living abroad…

    i’ve read through some of your other posts, and it doesn’t seem to me that you are making this up (as much as you can judge someone’s character by their blog, i suppose), as has been suggested above. but i am interested in the questions raised about the inconsistencies between the article you link to, and hope that you address them. but that, like everything, is your prerogative…

    either way, i’m glad that your post was freshly pressed, as it definitely was another perspective amidst the 9.11 remembrances.

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    • never mind – i reread the article (as was suggested to the commenter who originally questioned you) and i see that i was mistaken, and i apologize. being questioned for your veracity is probably kicking you while you’re down. not cool of me.

      however, i will say, in my defense, that that article was poorly written and confusing about that point.

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  320. Melanie

     /  September 13, 2011

    It’s disgusting anyone would be treated like this with no evidence, and it is especially disgusting an American citizen was treated this way. I am not, however, surprised. 9/11 gave paranoia, racial profiling, and seizing of civil rights a free rein, wrapped up in the flag.

    I shared this on my Facebook, where I know others will also share it.

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  321. I don’t believe what happened to you was really that big a deal. And it doesn’t sound they did this to humiliate you. You should be glad your government cares for the safety of its people.

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 13, 2011

      Oh. My. God.

      This has got to be one of the most vile comments I have read in response to this posting.

      You, sir, are an idiot.

      A government that “cares for the safety of its people” doesn’t terrorize them by stoking fear and strip searching them. North Korea cares for the safety of its people, and they are very safe. Sadly, America is sliding closer and closer to a government of “safety”.

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      • Joe

         /  September 13, 2011

        Really? North Korea? Please people. Sadly this country has gotten to the point where we have to be this reactive Is it good? No, but would you be happy if you lodged a complaint while flying and for whatever reason felt unsafe, and NOTHING was done. I am an ardent young conservative and have a brother working for Homeland Security, if you people had any idea how many threats are thwarted every day, you would not complain about a few hour delay before your drive home to Toledo, you and everyone on your flight should be happy that people take a possible threat seriously and ensure YOU and all of those on the plane are safe, next time, Drive.

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    • in this country, we have this handy thing called a constitution and a bill of rights. you may want to familiarize yourself with them. we do not set them on fire around here in the name of “caring for the safety of our people.” when we do, the terrorists have won.

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      • Fry

         /  September 13, 2011

        SilenceDogood , you are one of the most ignorant wastes on here. You call people and their comments “vile” and “disgusting,” yet offer absolutely nothing in return. If the law enforcement officers were “stoking fear” they would have shot them in plain view of the passengers, as they would in North Korea. If they were stoking fear they would have at least conducted the search in plain view of the passengers. The very fact that those concerned were moved to an isolated location shows that they were actually trying to avoid the stoking of anything. Though, you’d have to have a rational mind to see that I suppose. The number of irrational people that fail to understand the simple logistic of a situation in favor of knee-jerk emotion explains so much about our society. It’s why we elect who we elect, it’s why they make these rules, and it’s why you bitch and whine about falling under the jurisdiction of those rules while completely failing to understand why. I’ve never seen such a flood of simple ignorance as I have in the comments here.
        Someone claimed two men were plotting something. This woman happened to be sitting with them. If you were a police officer, what would you do? Keep in mind, you don’t know if she’s a soccer mom or a terrorist. She might have a bomb up her ass, or she might just constantly bitch about not being able to update her twitter account. This lady here doesn’t say if she was the only other person sitting with them or not. Leaving out that very basic piece of information (the only thing about the situation leading to her detainment that she she know to be a fact) tells me that even in retrospect, she’s as clueless as the rest of you.
        Tell me, was she potentially 1/3 of a terror plot, or 1/6th? How many people were sitting there. It’s a big difference if you’re gonna play the race-card while stereotyping fat people and rednecks. This lady’s statement here are insufficient as fact at best, and hypocritical diatribe at worst.

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        • SilenceDogood

           /  September 13, 2011

          I’m sorry, I got lost in your long-winded diatribe somewhere. It seems you are railing against “knee-jerk emotion”.

          You mean kind of how some bedwetting pansy on this flight reported people for using a bathroom? Is that the kind of “knee-jerk emotion” you were referring to?

          Because it seems to me that if someone is so afraid that a plane is going to blow up, they probably shouldn’t get on one in the first place. That would save a lot of people, like everybody on this flight, from the terror of such “knee-jerk emotion”.

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      • What would you suppose we do? In terms of safety I mean?

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  322. Silver Fang

     /  September 13, 2011

    Shoshana, contact the ACLU, get a lawyer and sue every government agency involved. Your rights were violated and you must seek retribution against the swine who stomped on you.

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  323. Daniel

     /  September 13, 2011

    Your rights have been clearly violated. I encourage you to find an attorney who specializes in these things. These procedures and the people who do them have been treated like “sacred cows” in many ways, and they are above the law only because there has been no well-publicized legal challenge. Do not be intimidated by bullies – it only encourages them. Only a well-orchestrated legal challenge will restore procedural justice.

    The terrorists have won. I want my country back.

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  324. rae

     /  September 13, 2011

    homeland security is a farce…it’s a case of “give a person 1 inch of power and they think they are gods.” It’s too bad this happened and I certianly feel for this lady…..it seems that common sense goes out the window sometimes. The lady who called in and complained or whatever it was she did, should be given the same treatment. More and more I say, God help America

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  325. Stan Dubinsky, you’re wrong. Read the AP story you linked to again. Ilona Hajdar was another passenger on Shoshana’s flight who was not arrested.

    To wit: “The Airbus 318 taxied to a pad away from the terminal, and police took three passengers into custody, Kowalchuck said. The three escorted off the plane in handcuffs included two men and a woman, passenger Ilona Hajdar of Charlotte, Mich., told The Associated Press.

    She said she realized there was a problem when the plane’s bridge didn’t extend at the gate. The plane then rolled to a remote spot on the airfield. After about a half hour, police SWAT boarded.

    “Everybody, put your hands on the seat rest in front of you. Don’t move,” they said, according to Hajdar, 27, who had been asleep for most of the flight and on board with her 2 1/2-year-old daughter.”

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  326. Shoshana, Your a brave girl, telling it as it is, One day America will be free again, fear breads fear and until the American people open there eyes and see, there will be no Freedom, its like talking to a rabid dog, The only cure is to put it down.
    All this because of GREED for money, money controls the world,Freedom is the price everyone has to pay.

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    • Dave, you have some good points, but I don’t totally agree with you. Money does not control everything…I work diligently every day as a government employee and I do so because of the freedom I have, and appreciate the opportunity to give back to my country, “The People”. If I see something I disagree with, I speak up and say something…I am sorry you no longer have faith in your government. I have faith in people and believe they will make the right choices, as I do.

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  327. Carol

     /  September 13, 2011

    It’s appalling that this happened to you. I would not have been so inclined to give the “authorities” what they wanted. I’d have demanded a lawyer and invoked the 5th amendment the minute they got the cuffs out. People should not be treated the way you were.

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    • I’d have demanded a lawyer and invoked the 5th amendment the minute they got the cuffs out.

      When you’re handcuffed, you’ve been arrested in fact. I’d be interested to see whether the courts agree ~ that is, I’d be interested to see whether the court are going to further degrade the Constitution as previous Supreme Courts have done. See http://www.muslimamerica.net/mp/newfirst.htm The New First Amendment for one small part of the history.

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  328. Thank for writing you

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  329. wahh, typical american spoiled brat.

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    • Sam

       /  September 13, 2011

      Wow. Intelligent argument. Great points made. *rolls eyes*

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      Yes, we are spoiled in America. We have these things called Constitutional rights and civil laws. They are supposed to prevent things like this from happening. Shame on us for wanting the rights on which our country was founded.

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  330. Shoshana, Your a brave girl, telling it as it is, One day America will be free again, fear breads fear and until the American people open there eyes and see, there will be no Freedom, its like talking to a rabid dog, The only cure is to put it down.
    All this because of GREED for money, money controls the world,Freedom is the price everyone has to pay.

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  331. OldCop

     /  September 13, 2011

    Shoshana, I’m sorry that you got caught up in this. It is a shame that people get nervous when they fly.

    But, you seem to be very angry at the law enforcement folks. They did not “profile” you. Some passenger on the plane did. They simply did what you would expect them to do. Yes, they cuffed you and put you in a holding cell. From your post it sounds like they were curteous, did not abuse you, nor did they violate your rights. They have the right to detain you for up to 24 hours without a hearing while they investigate the incident.

    What I find interesting, is that while you rail against “profiling” you talk about how you hate country music, beer bellies, rednecks, etc; just exactly what you say the “cops” did to you; judge you by the way you look. How is this different?

    The fact of the matter is that there are people out there that want to kill us. Recently, they have tried to do it with planes. And they happen to look a certain way. If they all had purple hair, would you expect folks to see purple haired passengers and NOT react?

    For those that posted that they were not proud of our country, Please fly one last time. To somewhere else. One way. Are we perfect, no. If you find a better place to live please go there immediately and STAY.

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 13, 2011

      Oh, OldCop, the usual “If you don’t like it, leave” argument. Well, here in America people don’t have the right to go around screaming, “9/11! Save me from another 9/11! There are brown people who want to kill me!”

      So, if you don’t like it here, hows about you take your own advice and move to a country where illegal detainment and torture are acceptable ways to deal with “others”.

      You are disgusting.

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      • Fry

         /  September 13, 2011

        OldCop, you couldn’t be more right. SilenceDogood, your post doesn’t reference one single point OldCop made. You irreverence invalidates your opinion of anyone being “disgusting.” Instead it paints you as a knee-jerk ass. Literally nothing you said in your post is even vaguely relevant to anything whatsoever. He never said “If you don’t like it, leave,” even though you put it in quotations as if he did. He merely pointed out that the law enforcement officials acted exactly how we would like them to. They operated within their rights, respected hers, were more courteous with her than I would have been (cops deal with loudmouths ALL THE TIME).
        The fact is, no one but the accuser and the two men know what happened. Maybe they were making a joke, and it was misunderstood. Who knows? Most cheap sets are aisles of three on each side, which would have made it very easy to assume she was with 2/3 of that section. Were there more seats? Was she in the middle? We don’t even know that. This lady doesn’t actually provide any information because she doesn’t know anything herself. This lady surely doesn’t. What she apparently does know is that she won’t be mocking the reality of airport security anymore… though I think she’ll probably continue stereotyping people while claiming she was racially discriminated against.

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        • SilenceDogood

           /  September 13, 2011

          Fry, you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

          OldCop said, “For those that posted that they were not proud of our country, Please fly one last time. To somewhere else. One way. Are we perfect, no. If you find a better place to live please go there immediately and STAY.” Which is the same thing as saying, if you don’t like America, leave. So, indeed, yes, I did actually address every single thing OldCop said.

          Additionally, the story is quite clear that the author was sitting in the window seat, but you somehow missed that.

          Let’s be clear, people like you who are so afraid of the terrorists around every corner that the sort of behavior exhibited in this posting, and at airport checkpoints everyday, is acceptable, don’t belong in a free society.

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    • would the call have done the same if they saw 3 white people doing the same thing on a plane… I don’t think so…. Government Social Indoctrinate

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      • Fry

         /  September 13, 2011

        well, you don’t know what the passenger heard to accuse the men now do you? Neither does this lady, even though she acts like she does. Can we just say that when you say “think” you actually mean “assume?”

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        • Fry
          The same is said for the passenger who made the call,they “think/heard ” and naturally “assume, and why, because Americans are brought up to believe that all dark skinned people are potential terrorist.
          What happened to, Innocent until proven Guilty…..would this have happened before 9/11. What happen to the rights of the 3 persons arrested.
          Would you see the funny side, if this happened to you ?

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    • OldCop
      “They have the right to detain you for up to 24 hours without a hearing while they investigate the incident. ”
      And there you have identified a core issue.

      Under the Patriot Act, they have a right to …… do lots of stuff. What they don’t seem to have is is any option to apply common sense to a particular situation.
      Some bureaucrat has written a “one size fits all” list of procedures. They have to follow the procedures to the letter, even if people on the ground can see that it’s nonsense in particular circumstances.
      The primary aim is pure ass-covering. Nobody is going to risk their job by exercising judgement. The people do not matter. They are just ‘things’ in a procedure. The procedure is all that matters.

      There was a similar situation on a flight from LAX to JFK on the same day.
      This link: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9PN2D400.htm describes both.
      In the JFK case, American Airlines spokesman Tim Smith said the plane’s captain never declared a security threat and never asked for law enforcement help. A “security concern” was brought to the airline’s attention and the crew used “normal procedures” to assess the circumstances, he said. The plane landed as planned. “In our eyes, it’s a big nothing,” Smith added.

      It seems that someone got nervous because a passenger was spending a lot of time in the bathroom. The raising of that concern trigged a procedure. Despite the pilot consciously not calling any sort of emergency or assistance, F-16s were scrambled and a pantomime awaited the arrival of the plane at JFK. Swat teams, handcuffs, sniffer dogs, yadda-yadda. That’s insane.

      As for the Detroit case, “The FBI said the three didn’t know each other. One man felt ill and got up to use the restroom and another man in the same row also left his seat to go to the bathroom. The FBI said they never were inside together. “At no time were the three individuals uncooperative with the flight crew,” the FBI said.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “But, you seem to be very angry at the law enforcement folks. They did not “profile” you. Some passenger on the plane did. They simply did what you would expect them to do.”

      No, they didn’t. I would expect them to ask the witness to describe what they felt was the suspicious behavior on the part of the three. To justify the detainment described here, that description would have to include _specific_ details of actions _each_ person detained engaged in that are clearly suspicious, justifying further investigation.

      Not that spending a long time in the toilet is actually in and of itself suspicious, but the author of this article didn’t even do _that_.

      Unless the witness actually lied to the police, the “law enforcement folks” are at least as guilty of wrong-doing, and likely more-so.

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    • You seem to be very angry at the law enforcement folks. They did not “profile” you. Some passenger on the plane did. They simply did what you would expect them to do. Yes, they cuffed you and put you in a holding cell. From your post it sounds like they were curteous, did not abuse you, nor did they violate your rights. They have the right to detain you for up to 24 hours without a hearing while they investigate the incident.

      There was no “incident” ~ the “authorities” created an incident.

      They violated her rights when they put handcuffs on her. Period. “Detain” is one thing ~ putting handcuffs on someone is not a mere “detention,” it’s an arrest ~ in this case without the least shred of probable cause to believe anything illegal had happened or was happening.

      It’s comforting that you call yourself “oldcop.” I assume that means you no longer have a license to “detain” people. Now if you’ll just go back to where you came from, America would be that much safer.

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      • You do not know what you are talking about. Putting handcuffs on a person during an investigation does not automatically create an arrest. What rights of that lady did the law enforcement officials violate? You sit here and preach about a womans rights being violated and at the same time you are involved in a religion that treats women like dogs and does not recognize them as having rights. Now how about you go crawl back into your cave and stick your nose back into your wonderful peaceful religion of islam. You sir are an idiot!

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        • You do not know what you are talking about.

          Oddly enough, the courts before which I practice law think otherwise.

          Putting handcuffs on a person during an investigation does not automatically create an arrest.

          The issue is whether the individual is free to leave. Handcuffed, she was not free to leave. That’s an arrest ~ in this case, a false arrest.

          What rights of that lady did the law enforcement officials violate?

          Several.

          You sit here and preach about a womans rights being violated and at the same time you are involved in a religion that treats women like dogs and does not recognize them as having rights.

          Your utter ignorance is showing. Men treat women like dogs and do not recognize them as having rights. Islam, however, established most of the rights that you enjoy ~ including the right to own private property, the right of due process and freedom of speech, religious liberty, political enfranchisement, and the rights that men too often do not grant women: the right to be protected and supported, the right to be represented and the right to participate on an equal footing, the right to own property in their own right free of any claim by a husband, an absolute right of divorce unencumbered by any demand for “cause,” the right of inviolate privacy, and so on. It has been men who have denied these God-given rights of women, not Islam.

          Now how about you go crawl back into your cave and stick your nose back into your wonderful peaceful religion of islam.

          I fully intend to do just that as soon as the Washington State Supreme Court ~ or the U.S. District Court, or the U.S. Supreme Court ~ tells this Town that we have a right under both State and federal law to provide housing for indigent homeless people in our buildings despite their notions about their building codes (that they had no authority to enact or enforce), just as Christians are doing all over the country.

          You sir are an idiot!

          Trying to inform you would certainly be idiotic, but I’m replying for people who can read and think for themselves.

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  332. Michael M

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am truly sorry for your experience. I am sure it was terrifying.

    However, I take issue with this statement.
    “sure that I was taken from the plane simply because of my appearance.”

    So it had nothing to do with fact you were seated between two bad actors? So ALL the brown people got arrested on your plane, because appearance was the ONLY criteria? Please, anybody in that seat would have been implicated. Crappy things happen to people every day, even white people. We just can’t blame racism.

    That said, DHS and TSA need to get over themselves and quit the SWAT tactics for every little incident. There is no situational analysis anymore. What could have been handled by a pulling the gentlemen(and you), aside after you deplaned, turned in to a paramilitary exercise.

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 13, 2011

      Nevermind the fact that this incident proves TSA can’t be trusted to keep contraband off of planes. Why else would people need to be strip search ON ARRIVAL?

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    • So it had nothing to do with fact you were seated between two bad actors?

      What “bad actors”? Failing to open the door of a toilet is “bad acting”?

      From “oldcop” we can expect the mindset that everyone who is not a cop is a “bad actor.” What’s your excuse?

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  333. Mark D. Bershad

     /  September 13, 2011

    Shoshana, that was an eloquently written piece of journalism. It truly was compelling, like a good spy novel. However, I have to take issue with your use of demeaning generalizations. While comical, your use of them, despite your justified anger, demonstrates the difficulty we all have at times in being non-judgmental and fair. You fell victim to the very forces you were railing against. Nevertheless, I am anxious to read more of your thoughts and perceptions. Please share them with us, because I, like many of your readers, I’m sure, would like to get to know you. Thanks for your intelligence, honesty and sincerity. Next time, however, sharpen that editing pencil!

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  334. Vanja

     /  September 13, 2011

    This is spreading like wildfire on facebook, currently sweeping across the Swedish community where I’m doing my small part in sharing. It’s a dreadful story that should be read by everyone.

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  335. Fry

     /  September 13, 2011

    Wow, what a blowhard. Just like Malcom X huh? You’re few hours of inconvenience is easily comparable. Maybe next time you won’t mock the brevity with you husband of just why the heightened security (especially on 9/11) is there in the first place. Another note, you take the time to point out a few stereotypes against rednecks. Guess some blowhard didn’t learn anything from her experience huh? You might not know this, but every species on this planet discriminates against those not of their own kind. It’s why you don’t have a bird singing on your shoulder right now. It’s instinct, and as beneficial for a group’s protection as it can be destructive in scenarios such as these. Had you not had your head so far up your righteous ass you might have understood this… and not thought were being dealt a great injustice similar to Malcom X. Someone in your row did something to scare someone else, and it was probably more than just the color of their skin… however misunderstood the action might have been. You fail to understand this because there is no way way you could possibly be capable of understanding it. You weren’t the one that was freaked out. You weren’t either of those men. You just know what happened to you, and like every other self absorbed person who believes the world is inconvenienced by their inability to update the social networking statuses, you wrap yourself only in those things that you do understand… you, you, you.
    What really gets me though is that some coward on the plane noticed something that he/she felt was threatening the lives of everyone on board… and did practically nothing. If there was a bomb plot, the bomber wouldn’t have waited for the plane to land before detonating. I hope that coward was as inconvenienced as you.
    Finally, from the events you described, you were taken in because of where you sat. It sounds like it was the two men they were concerned with. So you experienced racial profiling by proxy. You know, just like Malcom X.

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    • Ian

       /  September 13, 2011

      Is there anything that the authorities could have done that you would think would NOT have been forgivable? Or do you just assume that, if someone wearing a uniform does something, it’s automatically justified?

      Because the word for “believing that anything a person wearing a uniform does is justified” is “fascism.”

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    • Rick

       /  September 13, 2011

      Fry, it’s the fact that you (and so many other right-wing apologists) just don’t get it that makes me sad. That we, as Americans, view this as just a minor “inconvenience” to this woman, as “the price we have to pay” for security. Liberty and freedoms aren’t usually taken away all at once — they are given up, slowly, until we have none left. Reminds me of the post-Nazi thought about “First they came for the communists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew. Finally they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

      So I speak out — against this, and against you and other apologists for seeing nothing wrong with this loss of personal liberty.

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    • What exactly is it you would have wanted the “coward on the plane” to do – tackle and choke the “suspicious” folk to death before they had a chance to do anything, just in case?

      I agree with precisely one of your points: If there was a bomb plot, the bomber would have detonated, or attempted to detonate, BEFORE the authorities boarded. The fact that the three “suspicious” people were not behaving, um, *suspiciously* should have been enough of an indicator for the supposedly highly-trained response unit to realize that this was a non-issue, and nip it in the bud without the need for the high drama.

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      • The fact that the three “suspicious” people were not behaving, um, *suspiciously* should have been enough of an indicator for the supposedly highly-trained response unit to realize that this was a non-issue, and nip it in the bud without the need for the high drama.

        No “supposedly” involved here ~ they were highly trained to do exactly what they did: terrorize the people on the plane and accustom the public to the loss of their freedom of movement and personal security.

        This kind of thing is happening across the board ~ Gibson guitar company raided by a SWAT team because some Rosewood was allegedly mislabeled in violation of customs laws, farmers raided by armed gangs in uniform for selling raw milk, ABCNNBCBS terrorizing the population 24×7 while the DEATFBIRS breaks down doors in the middle of the night and City police put seventeen bullets into the back of a guy reaching into his pocket for his house keys, or a teenager holding a cell phone ~ it’s been going on for a while now, folks, and apologists like “oldcop” consider it just fine and altogether “American.”

        I pledge allegiance “to the Republic for which it stands” ~ has anyone seen that Republic lately?

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  336. Cat

     /  September 13, 2011

    I’m sorry you had to go through that. It seems you were grouped in with the gentlemen you were sitting with, which is unfortunate. The story is that not only 20 mins in the bathroom, but when staff inquired, no reply. When asked to exit the bathroom, no reply. That’s what made it suspicious.
    I’m glad your okay & I’m glad your letting everyone know what that was like for you. I’m going to share this on facebook as well, so people can see how paranoid reactions can effect everyday people.
    Yes, it was ignorant of the officer giving you a lift to say something about you being a descendant of desert people. But don’t you think your leaning towards that yourself with comments about over weight, country music loving white men? Commenting that the guy who stole the watch “didn’t look too different from some of the officers”?
    Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all stop profiling each other and start looking at each other as people?

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    • The story is that not only 20 mins in the bathroom, but when staff inquired, no reply. When asked to exit the bathroom, no reply. That’s what made it suspicious.

      That does not begin to approach “probable cause to believe a crime has been or is being committed.”

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  337. Wow. Go see a civil rights lawyer. Now.

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  338. Oh my..what an ordeal!

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  339. I agree it was awful. Sadly your continued put downs and focus about the officials’ physical appearances bothers me almost as much. As someone targeted for looks, all you seemed to focus on was their stomachs and looks. I guess if you hate “fat bellies and rednecks” it’s okay. Your prejudices and comments on them dramatically decreased my empathy for you.

    For the two Indian men I am horrified. It is terrible that out of fear we have given up so many rights. It is unbelievable that we took 9/11, a crime of racism and hatred, to perpetuate hate against Muslims and everyone that might LOOK Middle Eastern.

    But your bigotry, though much less traumatic, is also sad. You want people to look past your looks, yet you can’t do it yourself.

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  340. Carol

     /  September 13, 2011

    Re: Old Cop’s comment- what exactly is “courteous” about strip searching someone? Hiding behind protocol doesn’t make wrong right, doesn’t make rude polite.

    How many people would be disinclined to sit next to a (perfectly innocent and harmless) international traveler whose skin was brown or anyone who looked foreign after reading this?

    Two passengers did something – go to the bathroom- that other passengers thought was suspicious. 3 passengers were put in handcuffs and taken to a holding cell. That seems like a huge problem right there.

    Would a white American businessman seated in First Class, wearing a $1,000 suit and gold watch, have been handcuffed if the Indian man sitting next to him were deemed suspicious? Doubt it. Seems to be as much a social class issue and how much the police think they can get away with as it is profiling, maybe more so.

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    • Fry

       /  September 13, 2011

      Yes, if a white woman had been sitting with two men who had been accused of suspicious behavior on a plane, she would be detained and questioned as well. What’s wrong with you people? This lady wasn’t sent to Guantanamo. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It just so happens that she’s a self-righteous blowhard. She not only fails to understand this simple fact, but she engages in the same stereotyping that she accuses others of doing, “…and I decided that I hated country music. I hated speedboats and shitty beer in coozies and fat bellies and rednecks.” Um, wait, did she ever mention that the guards were talking about country music? Did I miss that? Where did sudden little rant against rednecks come from?

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      • Fry,
        Great comment, just lacking any thought. It seems you’re one of the reasons I can’t live in the US any more. Too many ignorant assholes.

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      • SilenceDogood

         /  September 13, 2011

        You see, Fry, the problem isn’t that so long as it happens to everybody else it’s OK. The problem is that it happens AT ALL.

        There are spineless ignorant people in this world, like Fry, who are just fine and dandy with whatever is doled out because it happens to everybody, just wrong time, wrong place, oh well. So long as it happens to them, I have no problem with it mentality is going to backfire on you someday, Fry.

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  341. One of my friends reposted this on Facebook. This sucks, but this is how a lot of our uniformed “friends” behave. I think there is a rule that when multiple people of color book a flight and sit together, they should be checked out. My brother and I were selected for “special screening” flying from Indianapolis to Las Vegas in 2008. It never happened to me alone, and it never happened to him flying with his white wife. We are black Americans. When I complained to people at home, a relative said, “Well you kind of look Middle Eastern.” What the freak? The system is definitely broken, and we are not safer.

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    • Fry

       /  September 13, 2011

      It’s not broken. It’s an understandably reasonable for people to react towards a supposed threat that almost unilaterally shares a similar characteristic. It’s unfortunate, but to be expected, all things considered. It’s why wild animals don’t warm to people. Fear is primal, and at that level we’re no different than animals.

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      • SilenceDogood

         /  September 13, 2011

        What sort of “threat” is there you boneheaded idiot?

        Every single one of these cases from yesterday. Every.Single.One. turned up nothing.

        What are you so afraid of? I worry for your mental well being.

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  342. daleok

     /  September 13, 2011

    This isn’t really any different than the Americans, of Japanese descent, who were placed in concentration-style type camps at the beginning of World War II. There was just as much paranoia then as is there is now. Just different players and different government named departments. We haven’t learned much since that time until now.

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  343. Isaa

     /  September 13, 2011

    Freaks!

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  344. personne

     /  September 13, 2011

    Shallow criticism for the overweight officers, then chauffeured to one’s private vehicle at the end of a disruptive but civil detainment. And the world keeps spinning.

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    • Dan Hill

       /  September 13, 2011

      Civil? You call that civil? Hope you’re subjected to a totally unwarranted detention, handcuffing and cavity search in the near future.

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      • Fry

         /  September 13, 2011

        She was sitting with two people accused of something. That warrants questioning. the law enforcement doesn’t know if it’s case of “wrong place/time” or if she has a bomb hidden up her ass. It could be anything in between. Is EVERYONE on here completely irrational?

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        • suresh

           /  September 13, 2011

          Taking your logic further, everyone on the plane should have been handcuffed, strip searched and questioned. There is no reason that terrorists will choose to sit next to one other. Indeed, one might reasonably think that they would try and avoid that possibility (by traveling on separate tickets) to deflect suspicion. However, from the reports, while all passengers were questioned, only Ms. Hebshi and the two Indians (“suspects”) were subject to special treatment. Why?

          Looking forward to the next round of spin.

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          • What To Do?

             /  September 13, 2011

            Hi Suresh:

            I just wanted to point out that on one of the flights that hit the trade center, 2 of the hijackers were sitting together. This was reported on a special they were running on television prior to the 9/11 anniversary.

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            • suresh

               /  September 14, 2011

              Dear Fry,

              I just wanted to note that while terrorists are (arguably) mad, they are not stupid. They are also capable of adapting. The department of homeland security is being silly if it thinks that they will use the same tactics that they used ten years back. I therefore think that once some passengers came under “suspicion”, then everyone on the plane should have been treated as potential suspects. In my opinion – and you are free to disagree – the reasons given for singling out Ms. Hebshi don’t make sense.

              Look, I think airport security anywhere in the world have a hard time. If something does happen, then they are sure to get blamed. But they also get flak for the inconveniences they impose on passengers. It is a difficult balancing act and I think Shoshana’s complaint is not that they singled her out but the way they went about their job. As someone who’s been at the receiving end of such procedures in both the USA and Israel — I’m Indian myself — I do have a lot of sympathy for anyone who goes through similar experiences. I have to say, though, that Shoshana’s experiences are a lot worse.

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        • Erin

           /  September 14, 2011

          She was more than just questioned; she was detained, strip searched and had her body cavties searched. But had she been blond haired with blue eyes and ivory skin, she would have never been suspected of being in league with the men excessively using the restroom. And therein lies the problem.

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      • personne

         /  September 13, 2011

        I have been subjected to something similar. It’s part of the return on shallow name calling and absurd resource consumption.

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  345. Oh my god. I’m sitting here wiping tears away from my cheeks, trying to imagine all you must’ve felt and gone through. I am appalled that this fear-mongering has gone on for as long as it has and that racial profiling is still happening. It breaks my heart that just because of the color of your skin, you had to endure this.

    I hope one day this all changes. But if not, come on up to Canada. I think it’s a lot friendlier here and multi-culturalism is respected and honored. I’m an American living in Canada and I can say with confidence that Canada is a much better place for racial minorities – or anyone, really – to live.

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    • Fry

       /  September 13, 2011

      Um ,it wasn’t because of the color of her skin. She wasn’t accused of anything, she was questioned. She happened to be sitting among two people who were accused. We don’t know why. She doesn’t know why. Dry those tears, you’re overreacting to such little information I’d hate to think that anyone relies on you for anything important.

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      • Don’t be rude, Fry. She wasn’t just questioned, she was strip-searched and not given any explanation. And she does know why. You just don’t agree, that’s all. Leave Lindsay alone and learn some empathy from her.

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  346. Kate

     /  September 13, 2011

    This is such an ordeal, and shows the absolute systemic racism that people experience on a daily basis. Going to the bathroom in succession is what considerate people do when not sitting in an aisle seat and something that I know as a white person would never be used to judge my character or pre-e,pt my actions.

    While I don’t want to detract from your post, I found myself cringing at your constant reference to the weight of people as though it were a judge of their character and their actions. Perhaps I’m being overly sensitive when your point may be that their weight should hold no consequence to how we perceive them as other factors should not.

    Regardless of that, you have used your greatest weapon here – your words and your account. This is a reminder of the perceptions of a lot of people – a person of colour or a certain religion evokes panic and unease in people in all situations, but on a plane, their fear is something that can be instantly acted upon publicly in the most shameful of ways.

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  347. Shoshana, I just read your account, linked by Slate. I’m so very sorry this happened to you, as are all people of conscience. Perhaps we will never know whether it was proximity to the two men beside you or skin color profiling that led to your arrest, but the arrest was wrong no matter what initially impelled it. I hope your family and friends are giving you lots of cherishing… you deserve care and comfort.

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  348. Hello!
    I must admit, I wasn’t that shocked; it was somehow expected to happen :-/ And to be honest, I feel for you. I am, every time I fly, in the same situation. There is always someone telling me “please, take off your clothes and shoes, it won’t take a minute”. In order to make it better for me for I am sitting almost naked in place where people can walk by me and see me this way, I always say to myself “at least they said please”. To make it clear: I am Serbian, nothing special actually, and yet I probably look so evil and mean. God knows. Of course, compared to your experience these small undressing actions are nothing. And I still cannot think why.

    People are changing, the world is changing. Even we in Europe have our news with disasters and somehow media is scaring people about this 9/11 day. It wasn’t nice, I am sure about that, but every year on the same day it is worthless. If someone would like to attack us or any other country, this would have been done by now.
    I hope you won’t come again in any situation even closely similar to this one. Once was one time too much, as we say in Germany :)
    Greetings!

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  349. That’s disgusting and incredible. Yes, 9/11 happened but that’s no excuse to treat certain people like criminals. Thank you for telling your story.

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  350. pkkid

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am sorry. I keep hoping that we will learn to look at each other and really see each other rather than seeing merely ethnicities, religions, skin colors… One day…

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  351. have you considered contacting your local aclu affiliate? they can advise you as to whether your rights were legally violated post-patriot act, if you feel you want to explore additional avenues of redress.

    thank you for sharing your very powerful story. i’m so sorry.

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  352. hasukumori

     /  September 13, 2011

    @ OLDCOP” They did not “profile” you. Some passenger on the plane did.”
    You make many assumptions that she was profiled by a passenger and not a member of the flight crew.
    My problem with this incident is that the plane landed fine, and she just wanted to DRIVE HOME. She wasn’t getting on another plane, she was leaving to be with her husband and kids. that makes the authorities who conducted the search with out asking the preliminary questions, dumbasses of the greatest degree in my view.

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  353. Have you thought about a class action suit naming the person who thought you sitting on a plane was a suspicious activity? There was no probable cause…it’s one thing to agree to submit to security sceening in order to fly but for three people to be held without counsel and not being allowed to contact your family is unfair. So much for constitutional rights.

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  354. I’m so sorry you had that experience. Thank you for writing about it. I wish more people such as yourself would write about their experiences with the after effects of 9/11 and show what our fear as a nation has manifested. I hope that your story will help to change our national trend of fear and paranoia that our current media loves to blast at us.

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  355. Gena

     /  September 13, 2011

    It is very upsetting that this happened to you, and I am sorry for what you had to go through. I’m afraid I wouldn’t have kept my cool as well as you :) . The amount of fear mongering by politicians and the media has lead to this sort of narrow-minded and paranoid situation. It just reinforces to me a few phrases that we should all remember:
    “Am I being detained or am I free to go?”
    “I invoke my right to remain silent”
    “I would like to speak with my lawyer (before answering any of your questions)”
    “I cannot be compelled to give you my password”

    I agree with many here that your rights were violated, and although I am not a litigious person, you (and probably your fellow seat-mates) probably have good reason to be looking for something.

    The level to which our country has slipped is embarrassing to me, and I am sorry you had to endure what you did.

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  356. It’s a thing we must face.

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  357. loosethoughts

     /  September 13, 2011

    Several things didn’t make sense to me, and her writing is comparable to a soccer player attempting to fake an injury in order to get a penalty shot. This journalist may hope to have this story be another great additive in a secession of embellished stories.

    She feels like Malcolm X, but Malcolm X was subjugated to way worse an incarceration.
    She couldn’t relate to her fellow captives, even though they do actually share something in common; They were both restrained for no reason.
    She also refers to herself as Arab/Jewish, as if to try and play on sympathies from the opposite sides as well as the neutral parties in between.
    Finally, this is nothing compared to what certain people have had to endure throughout the histories and even today on an everyday basis. SHe just happened to take a flight during 9/11, which even I as an Brown Canadian would not even do.

    Journalism like this is dangerous, as it is the stuff Fox and CNN is made up of!

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    • You’re hilarious.

      I refer to myself as a white female, as if to play on sympathies from the… oh wait, no, I do that because I happen to, in fact, BE a white female.

      And you may be right when you say “this is nothing compared to what certain people have had to endure” but let me ask you this – how do you think it all STARTED, what those certain people had to endure? Do you think that, just maybe, it started with a slow erosion of respect and human decency, by people being suspicious of and hostile towards other people because they were different in some way? Do you think maybe it might have started out JUST LIKE THIS?

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  358. Land of the brave… Home of the free. V2.0

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  359. Time Cube

     /  September 13, 2011

    So the appropriate response by the authorities would have been to disregard the situation? Yes, this is an unhappy and unfortunate situation- but to work under the illusion that it’s somehow avoidable is nonsense. You see what you think is a drug deal out your window..someone in a hoodie passing something to a car. You notify the authorities. They pick up the perp..he looks the part, heck he even has prescription drugs in his pocket. Turns out all he did was pass a note and they were really his legal prescription meds, totally unrelated to the case. Innocent person justifiable withheld briefly and then let go. Its how the world works people..not just because of the fear or terrorism. The fools know not they are the fools..

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “So the appropriate response by the authorities would have been to disregard the situation?”

      Depends on your definition of “disregard”. It’s worth having a conversation with the witness, but beyond that? Yes…they should have disregarded the situation.

      Even in your contrived example of someone picking up a note from in their car (yeah, that happens all the time), there was some specific _action_ that could be described and conceivably construed as being an illegal act. Nothing of the sort occurred here.

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    • Laura

       /  September 13, 2011

      But what situation? Nothing happened. The most that happened was that someone had to wait too long for the bathroom, as far as I can tell.

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  360. How terrible! I’m so sorry about what you had to go through! Reading this made me drop my jaw in astonishment. It angers me that some people judge people only because of their ethnicity. I guess the lesson learned here is … never fly on 9/11.

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  361. Starbuck

     /  September 13, 2011

    I there “shebshi”,
    I feel so sorry for these people who got caught in that permanent sense of fear. They hurt other people’s life day after day and won’t ever take two minutes to just think about their acts. Objective reached, as some would say…

    I wish you all the best, and may your mind return to peace as soon as possible.

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  362. Is one of your Twitter accounts @orionblu1 (linked from this WordPress blog)? It seems to be suspended…

    I don’t want to go all conspiracy theory, but that is probably due to “suspicious activity”: because of your story, you probably got a lot of followers and retweets in a very short time, and Twitter’s standard policy is to temporarily suspend such accounts, because they are in most cases spam accounts or hacked accounts. Yours obviously isn’t, but that isn’t something that the auomated tools can see. A real human at Twitter HQ will have to take the time to look at your account and enable it again.

    Your other Twitter account, @ShoshanaHebshi, doesn’t seem to be affected, because it is not linked from this WordPress blog.

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  363. heather

     /  September 13, 2011

    i think it’s insane that this was allowed to happen to you. i highly doubt any suspicious “white” people were detained on sept 11/11. you are strong, smart, and well written. use your words to make change in your country. i thankfully am a canadian, but, we have experienced some of these issues (eg: G20 toronto 2010). everything changed on sept 11/01, but i just wish people would realise that it doesn’t have to be negative change. less war…more peace. thank you for your words, even though i cannot stop crying. no innocent person deserves to be violated the way you were.

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  364. MhD

     /  September 13, 2011

    Being overweight is, accept for a very few, a choice. A choice based on behavior Her comments are relevant because being overweight suggests a weak mind. A weak mind doesn’t have the ability to think critically of the situation at hand. Perhaps if someone amongst the authorities were able to think more objectively, they might have come to the conclusion that folks were ‘seeing ghosts’ before the handcuffs. Certainly before the strip search.

    Besides, this is exactly the net affect of our hardline policies in the wake of the 9.11 tragedies. No doubt, there’s a threat and I believe Gen. Clarke when he predicts that there will another attack. It’s so unfortunate that religous zealots have demonized the United States. But our best response is our principles; liberty and justice for all. This hardline quasi military state we seem to be heading towards only creates resentment and fodder for the zealots to recruit.

    Someone somewhere should be putting these officers to the test – if you are going delay a plane for 6 hours, pull a citizen (or anyone) off a plan, cuff them and strip search her/him you had better be damn sure there’s a reason. Passengers ‘seeing ghosts’ doesn’t quality.

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  365. Maria

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am so sorry this happened to you (and to all the people in those 50 similar incidents). Thank you for sharing.

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  366. It’s a tricky thing… either we comply letting our own government who is supposedly there to ‘protect’ us and to serve us, based on what we have voted for, because the system is a series of laws and rules that were defined by US, or we can decide that we don’t agree with these laws, that the lawmakers have taken over and decided them without our consent and we then feel violated – the next step I’d say is a revolution. But who is ready for that?

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  367. You should have demanded a lawyer immediately. You have that right. (Did they give you the Miranda Rights schpiel when they arrested you?) If they have no evidence against you except one white person being spooked by seeing thee non-white people on a plane, then they had no cause to detain you. You need to file a suit for wrongful arrest and racial profiling.

    I live in Michigan. My taxdollars should not be paying for the harassment of innocent citizens. Know your rights. You are entitled to compensation.

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  368. I am so sorry that this happened to you. If it’s come to the point that anyone can report ‘suspicious behavior’ simply because of that person’s appearance AND THAT REPORT IS TAKEN SERIOUSLY, then I’m not sure that I and our government are even using the same book anymore, not to mention being on the same page.

    I wish this hadn’t happened to you, but I’m glad you’re speaking out about it. There’s no excuse for what happened to you and (probably) hundreds of others this weekend. I’m so sorry.

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    • Let me alter that to ‘TSA officials’, because i do support much of our government endeavors…I’m just not sure that overrreacting to Arabic-looking people is how our country should be addressing the issue of terrorism.

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  369. I am shocked that this is what our country has come to. The truth is you & me & every other citizen only has conditional rights now. They are conditional as long as we are not suspected or accused of being “wrong” in some way. As soon as “the authorities” are told we are suspicious, those American rights and freedoms that we all so enjoy, are lost. Thank Homeland Security for that. Thank President Shrub Jr. too. He put those laws into place. Thank Dick Cheney too. He had a big, fat hand in making that happen as well.

    I agree with you. Until Americans wake up to what is going on here & realize that we are being controlled by fear, more incidents like this will take place. Conditional Freedom is not real Freedom. It is freedom as long as you do not look or act “funny” or “strange” or “different.” It is the appearance of freedom without the actual existence of it.

    I fear. I fear that we are becoming a country where we are always looking over our shoulders for the “bad guys.” I fear we are becoming a country where “the authorities” have become the “bad guys.” I fear we are becoming a country where our armed forces, police and other government agencies are becoming the American Gestapo.

    If the government has the power to detain any American citizen based on any silly suspicion out there, then our government has become no better than Germany’s government during WWII. Our “little Hitter” aka George W. Bush Jr may be out of office now but the damage he did to this country over his 8 years in office is still reverberating through the country and what happened to you is just one terrible but true example.

    Until laws are changed & freedoms & rights returned, we will continue to see violations of this sort. Because the are not violations against our freedom anymore. We don’t have such freedom anymore. The government has the freedom to do whatever it wants to any citizen at any time just based on a suspicious mind.

    Actually, I am also reminded of the Salem witch trials, which also happened because of some silly people and their silly, unfounded suspicions. If we are going to see “ghosts” everywhere, every time this date comes around again and perhaps many times during the rest of the year, then ten years ago those suicide terrorists won.

    They won because they succeeded in turning this nation into a terrified nation instead of a strong nation. They won because they succeeded in turning this nation into a divided nation instead of a nation of unified hearts and minds. They won because they succeeded in forcing our government into gut-reaction anti-freedom laws that took away all of Americans civil liberties. They won because they succeeded in sending us into two wars, with Iraq and Afghanistan, against innocent people that do not even know about the terrorist attacks ten years ago!!!

    And our government lost. They lost their citizens trust in them. They lost their citizens belief in the government’s sense of right & wrong. They lost their citizens belief & faith in the American government.

    And there is a long road ahead before enough reparations are made to regain that trust, belief & faith in the American government. As government agents continue violations like they did to you, they are only digging the hole of mistrust & lost faith deeper for every American citizen.

    Thank you for writing this blog about your experience. It is through freedom of speech (the one freedom that has not been totally violated YET) that we will begin to regain the rest of our Constitutional freedoms and rights back again. It is by shining a light on such atrocities that the world and our country will begin to see.

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  370. Reason #786 I refuse to fly until this type of BS ends… I am so sorry, ma’am, for that ordeal you had to go through.

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  371. I have to think that Todd Beamer would be ashamed of the way you were treated.

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  372. Ishtara

     /  September 13, 2011

    This is quite shocking and outrageous. I don’t think I can remotely imagine what you’ve been through, but what little I can imagine is horrendous enough.

    I have once been strip-searched and held for questioning at the Dutch-German border for hours, back in pre-EU days (I live in Germany). Apparently, the border police thought that I and my friends were smuggling drugs, which wasn’t the case. I found this experience quite threatening and kafkaesque, and yet it didn’t come anywhere near your ordeal. I wasn’t handcuffed or thrown into a jail cell, nobody yelled at me, and most importantly, I wasn’t haunted by mental images of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.

    Still, it was very degrading and humiliating, especially the strip search. Nobody should ever have to go through something like this without reasonable grounds of suspicion. If upstanding citizens are handcuffed and detained based on a mere hunch of and denunciation by a fellow citizen, you don’t live in a free country anymore. And if you are treated in this way based on your “race” — it’s an outrage that Americans still use this term and officially profile people based on what amounts to scientific racism, just like the Nazis did — you are also not living in an equal society. People of color have again become second class citizens in the USA.

    What disturbed me most when I read your article was the fact that the people who robbed you of your freedom and stripped you of your human dignity — for no reason other than your “suspicious” appearance (in the eyes of a xenophobic white person, that is) — told you that these drastic and arbitrary measures were for your own protection. I bet that is exactly what German Jews were told after being arrested by Gestapo officers. One doesn’t detain, abuse and humiliate people for their own protection. One can’t fight terror by terrorizing law-abiding citizens. Being an Americanophile, it deeply saddens me to see that the USA has in fact become a terror regime under the Bush administration, and that Obama hasn’t done anything to rectify this intolerable situation.

    What’s even more disturbing though are some of the pro-TSA comments here. I can only assume that people who deem these extreme measures a reasonable precaution have never been subjected to a strip search themselves. Nor are they able (or willing) to empathize with socially anxious persons, former rape victims, or religious people with a very strict moral code that forbids them to undress in front of strangers. Above all, they seem to be unaware that this insufferable loss of civil liberties does very little to prevent plane jacking or acts of terrorism. It’s simply too high a price to pay for the erosion of constitutional rights and the loss of freedom.

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  373. Shoshana , thank you for sharing your story. It makes me sad that any of us can be subjected to what you had to go through. The anger I share with many of the comments here is just beyond words.

    I’m originally from Detroit, in Ohio now, and the daughter of an immigrant, but not the “wrong” kind of immigrant in the eyes of the naive and paranoid. My father was European-born, so I don’t have “the look” that gets profiled, but how am I different from you? Truth is I’m not. Not one of us in this country is any different, but idiots with little brains and big mouths can make their own prejudices the law of the land and they get away with it. It’s just pathetic and shameful.

    I posted a link on my own facebook and blog to this entry. I encourage others to do the same. We can’t change the law of the state, perhaps we shouldn’t, but we can change the power of the simple-minded who use that power for their own brand of evil.

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  374. i’m a singaporean muslim of arab/indian ethnicity, and i greatly emphathise with americans for 9/11, but in response to your complete erosion of civil liberties and blatant racism (let’s face it: indiscriminate racial profiling is racism), i will happily take my money, freedom and self respect to any other country on earth, where i can be assured of being treated with dignity.
    it makes me ineffably sad, because i have loved ones and 2 lovely nephews in boston, but i will not set foot in the US til the war against common sense and decency ends.

    to those being discriminated against: why remain with the country that treats you like 2nd class citizens? they don’t want you, someone else will.

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  375. This is disgusting. I am embarrassed for this country.

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  376. Fred Beloit

     /  September 13, 2011

    I’m sorry you used your phone inappropriately and so got into a lot of trouble. It could happen to anyone. It is also too bad some religious nuts, the majority of them Saudis, decided to suicide-attack New York.

    However this statement of yours that I will quote is untrue. President Bush’s speeches after the attack went a long way toward preventing what you claim happened from happening.

    You wrote: “When the Patriot Act was passed after 9/11 and Arabs and Arab-looking people were being harassed all over the country, my Saudi Arabian dad became nervous. A bit of a conspiracy theorist at heart, he knew the government was watching him and at any time could come and take him away. It was happening all over. Men were being taken on suspicion of terrorist activities and held and questioned–sometimes abused–for long periods of time. Our country had a civil rights issue on its hands. And, in the name of patriotism we lost a lot of our liberty, especially those who look like me.”

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 13, 2011

      Are you some kind of idiot?

      How is using a phone on taxi, or while on airplane mode to play games in the air, inappropriate? Have you not been on a plane in the last 5 years? Everybody does it. Brown people. White people. Rude people. Nice people. It’s neither inappropriate, nor germaine to the discussion.

      And, in fact, yes, a number of Arabs and Arab-looking people are being questioned, and falsely accused, of terrorist activity. The fact that you don’t see it is exactly part of the problem.

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    • Angi

       /  September 13, 2011

      Really? Used your phone inappropriately? Please just stop and think about that statement. Please.

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    • Funny thing is that my husband who is Indian-Canadian was about to turn on his laptop on a recent flight and I found myself looking around to see if anyone else (ie, white people) had their laptops or electronic equipment on. The captain had long before said it was ok to turn on electronic equipment so that wasn’t the issue, but I just didn’t want him to be the first to do so! Paranoid, you could say. But when you see the look of fear on people’s faces when you as a brown-skinned person get up to stretch, or to go to the bathroom, or even talk to a flight attendant, and it’s different from just a look of curiosity, you know that all eyes are on you and that switching on a laptop could result in nastiness. I just never thought it through to actually define what that nastiness is. It’s what happened to Shoshana and countless others who don’t write as eloquently as she does.

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  377. Bharat

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thanks for sharing, really saddened by this.

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  378. Let me just add another “I’m so sorry” to this already long list of comments. This is not what America is. This is not what its citizens should be. This makes my heart ache.

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  379. Geez. Sorry you had to experience all of that. I’m glad you weren’t physically harmed.Our country was built on the foundations of fear and I hate how in this age we still let the media control us through fear and change us for the worse. Is there anything you can do to put a silver lining around this cloud? can’t you sue the airlines or something?

    I could understand if it was just a simple “throw you in a cell for a few hours” but they put you through the whole ringer and you deserve some sort of compensation for that other than a “sorry, some cowards thought you had a bomb. My bad.”

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  380. “holding my tongue to not let out a snarky response”
    at a party a couple of Decembers ago, the cops came b/c neighbors complained about noise. my snarky response to one of them led to my being roughed up, handcuffed, and questioned by an overzealous rookie. i’m a white lady in my 50′s.
    eventually he was docked half a week’s pay for his behavior, but only after calm, patient and thorough follow up on my part for several months. this is not even the tiniest part of what happened to you, but i’m in solidarity with you.

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  381. Danny

     /  September 13, 2011

    How can this country survive any longer? The hate is getting worse all the time. Gays are blamed for natural disasters and war. Minorities are bullied and wronged at every turn. I’m a middle-aged, gay, white male. I’m lucky enough to be able to hide my life. I shouldn’t have to, but it’s for my own safety. Racial Minorities don’t have that luxury. What’s the solution? I’m sick of violence; I don’t want to resort to it. What else is there?

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    • Délawen

       /  September 13, 2011

      Emigrate. It’s not that bad at this side of the ocean, you know :) Old Europe will gladly receive a middle-aged white male. Or whoever wants to come.

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      • Which country? I’ve been looking into immigration policies for several countries, and have not yet found one that seems likely to accept my non-college-degree-having, non-specialized-job-doing, only-English-speaking self. Very serious about wanting to know which countries might have a more lenient policy..

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        • Délawen

           /  September 13, 2011

          As far as I know, you can find this English-only jobs on Spain (tourism-related, mostly). Although we are not the best country to look for work right now…

          Have you thought of England? English-speaking and so on…

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          • Yeah, England and Canada were my first searches, followed by Australia and New Zealand, then some of the Scandinavian ones. The frustrating part is, I can do my job that I have right now from anywhere in the world, so I wouldn’t need to take up a job in the local job market, nor need to qualify for a high-demand job in another country… Oh well, this is not the place for that discussion. Thanks for replying, though!

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            • FYI, I’m an immigrant from India living in the US for the last 23 yrs and I lived in Germany in 2007 and traveled around Europe extensively. I have to say that as racist as the US is, it’s still the most welcoming place to visible minorities. I knew within months of living in Germany that I would never have gained my sense of self or have been able to find my way professionally if I had lived all along in Germany instead of the US. Here in the US, thanks to the civil rights movement and that particular history, there is a national conversation about race. Perhaps it is not at the level we’d like it to be at but we do talk about it and we do constantly acknowledge that this is a country that was built on immigrants. I have the sense that any white person such as yourself who cares about the way his/her fellow citizens are treated, would not be happy living in Europe where they keep minorities down. I visit it every year and wish that we had so much that Europe had (natural food, for one!) but the state of race relations there and class distinctions too is enough to make me want to come running back home to the US. Good luck in your search though. It’s something we too think about but I know we’ll stay here and continue to participate in this and other national conversations.

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  382. Scott Walters

     /  September 13, 2011

    As a white male, and fellow American, I am sorry this happened, Shoshona. There are many things going on in this country right now that are downright embarrassing, and the mouth-breathing “git-r-done” ignorant redneck attitude is out of control. You should never have had to deal with this.

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  383. Guest

     /  September 13, 2011

    It’s a travesty that government agencies like the TSA and the FBI can so freely violate our civil liberties without any kind of consequence. I’m appalled by what happened to you on that flight. This is exactly why our government needs to change radically. If you don’t know much about Ron Paul I urge you to research him. He is the only candidate who will implement real change and free us from the tyranny of over-powered agencies like the TSA. Please look him up. I know that his election won’t automatically fix all of our country’s problems, but it will be a start. Thank you for sharing this story, people need to know that things like this happen and that we cannot accept it.

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  384. anne mitchell

     /  September 13, 2011

    FBI Detroit spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said … “The public would rather us err on the side of caution than not.”
    That’s a lie. I am horrified that this outrage would be couched in terms that somehow “the public” supports it. I most certainly do not. I respect your bravery and thank you for your report. I hope it shines a light on this horrible, disgraceful era of fear and prejudice.

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  385. Richard

     /  September 13, 2011

    I say sue the shit out of the country and bankrupt the nation even more, this kind of shit makes me so pissed off it is getting old already!

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  386. Stephanie

     /  September 13, 2011

    I’m so sorry you had to go through this ordeal. The kind of ignorance that surrounds us never ceases to shock (and anger) me. Thank you so much for sharing this story!

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  387. Laurel Watson

     /  September 13, 2011

    SO sorry this happened to you. I was beaten and falsely imprisoned 20 years ago for 8 hours before they determined I was innocent and let me go (in a bad neighborhood at 11:00 p.m.) and I have suffered chronic PTSD ever since. I hope you sue their pants off and that it doesn’t ruin your life. You don’t say how old you are; I was young and naive and my whole worldview was shattered. Please accept my sympathies/empathies and don’t let these bastards get you down!

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  388. I have read many of the comments and agree quite a few, who express their outrage at your treatment… AND agree with some who express, reasonably, why this happened. The point Dallas makes is truly compelling. We have been deeply effected by terrorism and that stain, clearly remains. The comments by Margaret, that brought so many responses, while offensive to me (in her mocking tone and lack of any compassion), also hold some truth. We are not the same since that fateful day.

    I watched a compelling CNN report on 9/11 about the people who were inadvertently involved in 9/11 because of their jobs. Two airline agents (yes, those people who merely check you in) who both felt uneasy with the behavior of two of the passengers that day. They went so far as to tell gate agents and flight attendants. BUT, at that time there was no protocol for questioning someone with no “good reason.” To do so would have smacked of racial profiling, and in the post Rodney Kind years, that (then) on a flight would have been truly impossible. Those two men were two of the confirmed terrorists who helped kill nearly 3,000 people, and those two agents have spent these 10 years unable to shake the sense that they too helped kill 3,000 people.

    I cried for you, Shoshanna, and felt a deep sense of shame and sadness that you were treated in such a manner because you are not white and “American enough” LOOKING. What defines us as Americans is so diverse and complex and that has been lost in these 10 years, because we no longer can trust our eyes or our senses. It does seem reasonable that a simple background check would have saved you much humiliation and hurt. Those who noted your derisive comments about how the agents/police looked make the same point you and others make in your defense. No one should be judged by their looks and our internal prejudices about those looks. Having raised 3 Jewish children, I am well aware of how hurtful and cruel anti-semetic comments can be. But would the children of those “rednecks” feel any less humiliated to read that of their parents, or feel that judgment personally?

    Your piece is compelling and powerful. I have re-posted it and sent it to several people. Congratulations on being FP’ed, it has clearly helped bring this story to the forefront. (I could not get the AP link to work, and that would be helpful). I am sorry for the pain you suffered and in sharing your story you have clearly stirred some potent dialogue.

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    • Had our government let us know that terrorists might be planning to use airplanes as missiles, these hijackings would never have succeeded. We all thought hijackers wanted a ride to another country, or a hostage exchange. The airplane-as-missile plan will never work again – the passengers won’t let it.

      We have to face the fact that any one of us could die in a terrorist act, and welcome helpful intelligence information to guide our actions. And each of us must be willing to die for the freedom we want. Otherwise we put a dangerous amount of power in the hands of those we beg to protect us.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “Two airline agents (yes, those people who merely check you in) who both felt uneasy with the behavior of two of the passengers that day. … Those two men were two of the confirmed terrorists who helped kill nearly 3,000 people, and those two agents have spent these 10 years unable to shake the sense that they too helped kill 3,000 people.”

      Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Just because of all the times the agents “felt uneasy” it turned out once they actually happened to be right to, that doesn’t make it okay.

      More to the point, we have so many people “feeling uneasy” all the time now that it’s bound to happen that eventually someone will “feel uneasy” just when it turns out someone actually needs investigating.

      But guess what? That doesn’t justify going around mistreating people every time someone “feels uneasy” about them. If it did, we could solve our crime problem just by locking everyone up, secure in the knowledge that since we locked everyone up, that must include the criminals too.

      It’s unfortunate if anyone feels guilt for the 9/11 attacks other than the people who actually perpetrated the attacks. Even the law enforcement agencies who failed in their duty to coordinate and take advantage of actionable intelligence they already had, at worst they should learn from that mistake. It’s not their _fault_ the attacks happened; it’s the fault of the terrorists. Only they are to blame.

      But in any case, it is not reasonable to give up freedom for the pursuit of security. As a wise person once said, doing so leads to gaining neither.

      “What’s the difference between 9/11 and a cow? You can’t milk a cow for ten years straight”.

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  389. Native American JD

     /  September 13, 2011

    This is what is wrong with America. Not only did all those people die on 9/11/01, but so did our liberties, our decency, our open society, our values.

    This is not America. This is what we’ve become. Al Queda won.

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  390. GrammarPolice

     /  September 13, 2011

    I wonder if advocates for small government and critics of wasteful spending would like to know how effective TSA screening is.

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  391. jacky

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for sharing your story. I was shocked. This is madness. Happy you are home safe. Keep speaking up.

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  392. Mari

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am sickened by the trauma caused to you. You went to school with my children at Helix. I keep hearing that if our lives have had to change after 9-11, that the terrorists won….I guess they have won in too many ways. God bless you.

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  393. Oh I’m so sorry that happened to you. It all sounds horrible and I don’t think it’s right. Our local news report (Grand Rapids, Michigan) stated three suspicious people spent almost the entire flight in the bathroom. Nothing about your story is funny (minus the “I’m an American citizen asshole”), but as I started reading and realized you were in fact one of the people detained I was sure to read you had a terrible flight filled with bathroom type problems… never got up though huh? Hugs to you!

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  394. I’m actually really glad this happened to you. The fact is, this sort of profiling happens all the time – and it is a terrible thing. This time, it happened to someone who has both the strength and elegance to report on it form an informed and well-tempered mindset.

    I’d like to thank you for writing this and for doing so with such temperance. I believe no person can question your honor when reading this and this is exactly the kind of thing that all of us need to read, if not to simply keep ourselves in check.

    The accuracy of your Malcolm X analogy is terrifyingly realistic.

    Thanks for sharing.

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  395. a_random_guy

     /  September 13, 2011

    “I’m sorry you had to endure this, but what would you have done differently if you were the police? What if the men you unfortunately had sat between were terrorists? Would you feel differently about your ordeal if it had saved hundreds or thousands of lives?”

    Here’s the thing: this country is supposed to follow the rule of law. We are supposed to have certain basic rights. One of these is the right to be safe from unreasonable searches – searches without probable cause. By well-established precedent, strip-searches fall into that category.

    If there was probable cause, she should have been formally arrested, given an opportunity to contact a lawyer, etc.. Instead, she was taken off the plane (apparently never formally arrested), intimidated, strip-searched, interrogated – and at the end? “Oh, sorry about that, it was a false alarm”.

    Those are police-state tactics. This is not the America of the history books, this is the distopian Amerika of the 21st century.

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  396. I hope the idiot who reported your “suspicious activities” reads this post. Thanks for writing it.

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  397. As a fellow American and a 68 year old white Anglo-Saxon woman, I read your personal story with horror. We all knew, of course, that this was happening in our nation, but to actually know about it from one American’s own experience somehow makes it real in a way it was not before. The right-wing screams about “freedom and liberty” and yet supports these actions. Shame on all of us. Freedom and liberty are truly disintegrating in America.

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  398. Chaser

     /  September 13, 2011

    There’s not much to add after all the comments made so far but I just wanted to let you know I’m pretty sure your incident was referenced on the Colbert Reports second segment on Mondays show. He said one of the “suspicious behaviors” was “three passengers who made repeated bathroom trips” when talking about terrorist treats on 9/11.

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  399. GreenJello

     /  September 13, 2011

    McCarthyism? Witch hunt? How is this any different?

    History repeats itself. We have learned nothing.

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  400. Wow.

    Thanks for writing this.

    Small consolation: 10-years ago didn’t people in similar circumstances get disappeared for weeks or months? Small consolation.

    I hope those who turned you in are having second thoughts. Maybe will write their own description.

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  401. Gem

     /  September 13, 2011

    What happened to you is egregious.

    If, however, you really believe in tolerance and acceptance, you might want to check yourself on your apparent loathing of fat people and “rednecks.” I hesitate to share your post, even though I think people need to know about incidents like these, because I find offensive in these respects, as would others I know.

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  402. This brought me to tears. It is so extremely sad that prejudice & racism still run so deeply in a country that has been known as the land of the free. I am so sorry you had to go through this humiliating experience. It is my hope that your story will open those minds that are closed.

    Though I understand the need for security in our country the “overkill” reactions by people who live in fear from those who “look different” is pathetic. Apparently people forget about Timothy McVey. People need to stop assuming that the faces of terrorism are those of a certain ethnicity. Terrorism is the face of evil incarnate and that face can be any color.

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  403. You did awesome under the circumstances. As a brownie I can only say that if I ever get into a situation like yours (which is highly probable) then I’ll think about your experience to draw strength and keep my sanity. The way you handled the whole situation and came back determined to write this post is nothing but heroic in my eyes.

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  404. Wittily told inspite of your predicament. We empathize with you. After millennia, we have not learnt that we are of one blood, and we should treat others the way we would like to be treated ourselves. However, the wheel of justice (not man’s if he knows anything about that) will recompense you somewhere, sometime, in this life or in some unknown future, if that is a consolation. Just imagine, what would you do if the tables were turned, but you had absolutely no recollection of this event. Would you follow orders? Or change jobs? The choice is always ours but never easy. He might test you someday!

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  405. I’m late here, but I felt I had to add my sympathy and outrage for your ordeal.

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  406. That is just horrible that something like that happened to you or anyone else because someone felt like there was something going on.

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  407. NTTAWWT

     /  September 13, 2011

    security theatre at its finest. funny that you still believe in an abstract authoritarian concept like “national security.” some people never learn. have fun at your next state-sponsored mugging.

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  408. 9/11 was used to implement policies in the United States that have taken away basic freedoms. Laws like the deceptively titled “Patriot Act” were designed to give government officials 24/7 access into the private lives of Americans. The indignities that happened to you could happen to any of us under the right set of circumstances. Thank you for documenting your story so we could all bear witness to inequities that still exist in our “justice” system. I’ll be more than happy to call my attorney for you! :)

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  409. I am so sorry this happened to you. I was moved to tears by this account: tears of sadness at the loss of our rights and our mutual personhood. tears of frustration that our citizens are so quick and willing to give up their basic rights in response to a climate of media perpetuated fear. and tears of anger at a system so fraught with waste and mismanagement. Please know that I, as a fellow citizen (and former Iowan), having never met you; respect you, and recognize you as a human and fellow american.

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  410. Emily S

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for writing this – I felt connected to your story even though my appearance is the norm for this country. Very well written and while I am sorry for your experience, I hope that some good may come out of it – perhaps a few people will see how their jaded perspectives affect others.

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  411. Délawen

     /  September 13, 2011

    Since 9/11 I am afraid of travelling to USA. I am white (Spanish) and shouldn’t be worried but it’s simply that… I am more afraid of travelling to USA than travelling to Turkey. And not because of “terrorists”.

    How did the USA come to this?

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  412. sahyder1

     /  September 13, 2011

    I applaud you for getting your story out there. It is important that stories like this be shared. There are far too many bigots out there and for some I think just reporting “suspicious activity” a.k.a flying while brown is a game.

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  413. Jesus. I’m appalled and frankly incredibly pissed off right now. I’m also feeling pretty lucky that I can pee on an airplane and do pretty much anything else I want without anyone saying boo, because I know I wouldn’t handle it nearly as well as you did. I would have been madder than hell and showing it, even though I know as well as anyone that’s not a great idea. I really hope you end up with some legal recourse here because it’s really not okay that someone with a squeaky-clean background could be treated like this just because some yahoo flipped his/her lid. If nothing else, I hope the bad press makes some strides. I’m sorry it happened and I hope it never does again– not to you, not to anyone.

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  414. I was pointed to this post by a friend on Facebook and I just wanted to say that I am so sorry that this happened to you. I’m appalled and embarrassed on behalf of our country. I wish you all the best.

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  415. This is unacceptable – to be treated like criminals in your own country.

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  416. I got four words: Cry me a river. When your Arab friends decided to attack us on 9/11. This is a result. No go cry some more and have a nice day.

    As for your comments about Fat White Rednecks; as someone who is one of this background, I got two words for you —- you Jewish/Arab half breed bitch:

    FUCK YOU!

    That is all…

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    • Sheesh! What the hell is wrong with you?

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    • Compassion

       /  September 13, 2011

      I am sorry you are so angry.

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 13, 2011

      Apparently this idiot has never heard of Timothy McVeigh.

      Based on Patrick’s rantings, it is now also appropriate to detain, strip search, and otherwise harass and intimidate low-life rednecks, as well.

      Well, look at that, Patrick, you’re in great company. Moron.

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    • Contre Jour

       /  September 13, 2011

      wow. I cant believe in this day and age, people like you still exist.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      The 9/11 terrorists were not friends of hers, unless you are making the statement that all people of Arab descent are 100% in agreement on everything, by which logic you, being white, are in 100% agreement on the genocide of the Native Americans and the enslavement of Africans.

      I love watching privileged white people lose their minds when someone whose Constitutional rights have been violated insults them. It’s like they can’t stand the idea that somebody, somewhere, might possibly think that white people aren’t the center of the Universe.

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    • Fionn Jameson

       /  September 13, 2011

      I hate that Americans, more than any other country, especially have to be so damn PC all the time. Half the people I know don’t even know what to call black people to their face.

      Anyways…

      What’s wrong with calling someone a fat redneck (I’m excluding the word “white” since I feel the two words are redundant) if they truly are a fat redneck?

      …as I can see from your website that you are, so I can only assume you took that certain bits of the article to heart. Good for you, dumbass.

      Her Arab friends? She’s an American citizen who just wanted to get home to her family, who was egregiously mistreated and treated like a common criminal. How is that right in any way?

      It’s people like you, yes, you fat, uncouth redneck bastard, who make me lose hope for this country.

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    • Harman

       /  September 13, 2011

      its not gator season yet, craw back into your hole

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    • Délawen

       /  September 13, 2011

      Not sure if trolling or just plain stupid…

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    • Lydia C.

       /  September 13, 2011

      You are exactly the dirt we speak of. Mutt of America, made up of spam and over-processed, artificial ingredients without a soul and most certainly devoid of education and good breeding. It’s what happens when your mother is also your cousin. I’d say F.U. too, but it sounds like your’re already f’d! Peace.

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    • I’m sad that hate-filled, putrid people like you exist, Patrick. You are disgusting.

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    • So you’re the reason why so many around the world hate Americans. Do the rest of us a favor and get an education, learn some grammar, and get a life.

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    • I am saddened that so many people in our country carry so much hate in their hearts. It must be very stressful to not “love your neighbor as you love yourself (Mark 12:31). Matthew 7:1-2 states: “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgment you make you will be judged….”

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    • Patrick – isn’t it a typical Irish name?

      Please keep in mind that extremists (very unfortunately!!!) exist in every nation and religion – they are nobody’s friends, neither yours, nor hers, nor mine.

      Cheers!

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    • You’re not fit for civilized company. You probably think that’s a virtue.

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    • Bitter, party of one! Or maybe just someone looking to get their jollies watching people respond to their lunacy? Hmmm? Maybe?

      At any rate – be it clear that just like all Arab people aren’t her friends, all white people aren’t yours. I’ll happily stand in the line that marked, “Not Patrick’s Friend”. So please, if you really believe what you say, find another country with a dictatorship that supports your aparant belief that segregation and discrimination are okay – and move there. I’d suggest Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan as good places to start your search.

      Safe travels!

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    • orangecountyresident

       /  September 22, 2011

      Patrick, after reading your post and seeing that you have the U.S. flag and the eagle as your avatar, I decided to get myself my own U.S. flag so I could set fire to it. The only way I could ever be patriotic and love America will come when the day comes that people like you cease to exist. Fuck you and fuck your brand of patriotism, you worthless jingoistic jack-booted white trash piece of shit racist American thug. People like you ensured that I didn’t watch any 9/11 tenth anniversary specials on TV that day.

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  417. I think the things that are being done to people in the name of that horrible law are awful, and I wish it would stop. But like others have commented before, when you start talking about the agents’ girth, which is completely irrelevant to what they did, it takes the power away from the whole “we shouldn’t judge based on appearances” thing. If the people who been judged by their appearance and experienced how awful that is, themselves use that as a weapon against others, what hope is there for eliminating that tendency?

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  418. Now watch this damn ass woman not approve my comments, like the little whiny assed liberal fascist that she is.

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    • Vanessa

       /  September 13, 2011

      Oh look, you’re post is posted. Please consider being more thoughtful in the future. You paint yourself as a moronic twit with a considerable lack of vocabulary and class. Hardly an authority to be listened to.

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    • Mike

       /  September 13, 2011

      awww. poor guy.

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    • Heather

       /  September 13, 2011

      Patrick- you are a sad sad person living in hatred. Must be a nightmare to be you.

      Please – Take care of your mental health- you’re a danger to civil society. There’s a kinder world out there.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      Your hatred was posted. I’m glad, too, so that the world can see the ugliness that hides in the hearts of people.

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    • Patrick, I’m so sorry about your penis.

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      • Ian

         /  September 13, 2011

        I rarely write “LOL”, because I only write “LOL” when I actually, genuinely do laugh out loud.

        LOL.

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    • orangecountyresident

       /  September 22, 2011

      Patrick, whether you want to admit it or not, worthless jingoistic jack-booted white trash piece of shit racist sexist American thugs like yourself are also known to have closet homosexual tendencies. Which I’m sure disgusts you, so you lash out at other people to make up for your lack of manhood.

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  419. blackwatertown

     /  September 13, 2011

    What a horrible ordeal for you.

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  420. Marion

     /  September 13, 2011

    I was on a plane leaving from Detroit during that time. We were unable to leave during that time but they wouldn’t tell us what was going on. All they told us was we were waiting for a ground crew to load the luggage. Apparently they were being held up at another gate. Now knowing the truth that your plane was the issue(for stupid reasons) I wish they would have at least said something to us on the plane, other than a lie about our luggage.

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  421. You were spot on with this sentence > “The real test will be if we decide to break free from our fears and hatred and truly try to be good people who practice compassion–even toward those who hate.”

    I extend kind thoughts to you for terrible experience you were forced through, I think we all appreciate this post and seeing the story from the eye’s of a victim of racial prejudice.

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  422. Mere Diamante

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you so much for sharing this. I deeply respect and admire not just the way you handled yourself in the situation but your reflection on it and your commitment to share it. I share your rage, pain, sadness, disappointment, and shock. As much as I see these things happen or experience them, which is a lot, they never fail to shock me on some basic human level, because there is part of me that can’t or doesn’t want to accept this as the norm of what human beings subject each other to, here and now. But it is.

    To those who have criticized this woman for her supposed compliance with the authorities: I would not call this posting an act of compliance. There are different ways of resisting and fighting against injustice; just because she did choose the method you might favor does not necessarily make her form of protest any less important or powerful.

    Look at the response to this posting. 574 responses (575 with mine) as of the moment in which I started writing this comment. I found my way to this story because two friends of mine posted it to their Facebook. None of us have ever met this woman. Have you? Have the vast majority of the people who left comments? And not even a full day has passed since she posted.

    She is getting the word out, she is making countless people take a look in the mirror, and examine what they see both in their country and in themselves. She is refusing to remain silent or “go along with things.” Moreover, she is doing so in a respectful, intelligent, thoughtful, well-reasoned, compassionate, and, I would argue, fair way.

    It’s people like her who get people of different backgrounds and opinions to listen and think about the issues she brings up. People who might be unsure of how they feel about scenarios like this one, people who might might feel alienated by more bombastic accounts and thus disregard the content or message of those stories, or who might not think twice about an act of civil disobedience because it came from a person they’ve never met, with a totally different background from their own, and they don’t know anything about the activist’s thoughts, opinions, and feelings; they can’t relate to an act, but they can relate to this. Every form of protest is important and has its place.

    Moreover, I do not feel it is my place, nor anyone else’s, to criticize this woman for refusing to martyr herself. She is a person, just like you or I–as she says here, a wife, a daughter, a mother, a friend, etc. If you are going to charge her with the responsibility of taking this kind of stand, then the finger you are pointing points back at you. What radical acts of martyrdom are you committing, if you believe they need to happen?

    The person who called in the threat, the police officers and DHS officials who participated in this process–they all made her bear a burden she should never have been charged with, for things that were unjust and beyond her control.

    To then charge her with the responsibility of sacrificing her personal liberties for the very same reasons–because of things that happened that were injust and beyond her control–to criticize her for not martyring herself is, to me, a different version of the same thing. Maybe even worse, because it is a move to divide the very community of people that should be supporting this woman.

    Real change will come not from divisive criticism, but from solidarity, from acts of bringing together, of collaboration. MLK Jr. and others have taught us this. And that is what this woman is doing.

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  423. Cherisse

     /  September 13, 2011

    Surprise surprise… a seat row of people all of middle eastern extraction fly into Detroit, DETROIT fer chissakes! What a bunch of dumbasses.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      I’m not sure I understand your post. Would you like to elaborate?

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      • Cherisse, it appears, is pointing out that the metro Detroit area is home to large numbers of people of both Arab and South Asian descent. A row of three such people would most likely be flying into Detroit because they live there.

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      • Laura

         /  September 14, 2011

        Well, I think Cherisse is saying that there are a lot of Middle Eastern people in Detroit.

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    • Cherisse: The two INDIANS she sat with are “of Middle Eastern extraction”? Please look at an atlas. An atlas is a book of maps, in case you’re wondering, and it shows you where places in the world are. The Middle East may not be labeled “Middle East” in the atlas since that’s not a country but a region of the world but it’s where Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, etc. are. Now look east (ie, to the right) of there… keep going past Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan (yes, they’re larger than I imagined too. Asia, which is what the whole continent is called, is really large and really diverse)…. and you’ll come to a peninsula (that’s what they call a piece of land jutting out into the sea) that is “V” shaped and that’s the country called India. It’s about 2500 miles from Jordan in the Middle East to India. That also happens to be about the same distance from Jordan to England (I was going to say the United Kingdom but didn’t want to confuse you). Would you say that the pilgrims sailed to Plymouth Rock from the Middle East? You might, but you’d be wrong because they came from England, and England and the Middle East are two different parts of the world, separated by 2500 miles. Just like India and the Middle East.

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  424. Gino

     /  September 13, 2011

    It is good to hear that you were not put through any physical violence. It would have been ideal if the authorities had explained why you were detained, but your tact in cooperating was a case in taking the higher ground and is commendable. Although it would be too much like correct, the person who thought he or she saw you and the other two men doing something suspicious owes everyone who was taken off that plane an apology. Fear or mere ignorance? No one can say, but things have diminished to the point where shouting terrorist based on small thought is the new way of shouting fire in a crowded theatre. It is wrong at base.

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  425. Don’t worry, soon they’ll be targeting everyone.

    By the way this is the reason why you had to go through that ordeal.

    Actually to be strictly accurate the fact that we all believed this is the reason why you had to go through hat ordeal.

    Apparently we all had better things to do than researching stuff for ourselves … like watching moronic TV shows, shopping in the mall, playing computer games, trying to find that perfect pair of shoes, tweeting what we had for breakfast, being self obsessed, learning all about celebrities, watching sports games etc

    We are ALL guilty and we ALL need to grow up fast. And learn to trust ourselves and each other again. And stop believing what political people and the mass media tells us unquestioningly.

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    • Eric

       /  September 13, 2011

      Weird. I sound EXACTLY like you around my house and my family when we get together for a poker game. Of course, they try to redirect my point by telling me that I haven’t firm ground to stand on, that I purchase stuff from the mall or supermarket or online or whatever. My response is usually “Well, sure. I have to survive! What you’re trying to do is nick-pick me into a corner, where I refuse to go with this.” ANYWAY, they act like I shouldn’t complain about ANYTHING, that I should do what they do, go along with the flow, accept my caste in life and so on. What a bunch of sheep. Later.

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  426. Ellen

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for sharing your story – please please don’t be discouraged by the hate in the comments from some in reaction (not thoughtful response) of this post – sadly so many people do operating under the rhetoric of fear being blasted through our country. I am so grateful for you sharing this post and I have shared it with my networks. I wish you healing and strength and the ability to forgive when you are ready. My thoughts are with you, thank you again!

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  427. Shoshana, I was so moved by your words. I feel shocked by how you were treated. I wish there was something I could do to change this paranoia in our country. I’ve sent links to your story to my Senators and Congressmen telling them we need to quit this behavior. I even submitted it as a news tip to the various media outlets here in Denver – I hope your story gains the attention it deserves!

    Thank you for speaking out.

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  428. I think it’s easy for many people to forget that thing is still going on.

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  429. LOL Patrick, you’re really making a strong case for respecting your point of view there.

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  430. omg. Just reading this post, my heart was thumping so hard. That is a horrible ordeal you had to face. I am glad to hear that you got out the same day and the people with you did too.

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  431. Jacqueline

     /  September 13, 2011

    Shoshana, this is outrageous to say the least. You and two others should consider a lawsuit, not to gain money but to show that this type of racial profiling must be stopped. If not through litigation, I hope this story goes viral. Thanks for your courage and speaking out.

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    • Meagan

       /  September 13, 2011

      I agree completely. I don’t see this type of racial profiling stopping. File a lawsuit. It’s not ok what happened, and people need to be more aware of this. At the very least, it would make the next ignornant person think twice if they learned your story.

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  432. thats right ….
    i like google +

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  433. Guess you told her, my big ole brave hero.

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  434. Damn! And I thought I was having a shitty day! really! You are an american citizen, now imagine how I feel (a Mexican citizen) about flying to/through the US.
    Thanks for being brave and share your story in such a compelling way, this is one more effort in ending hatred not only in America but in the world. May we get to see a hatred free society.

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  435. Dearest Shoshana, I’m so sorry this had to happen to you but thank you so much for telling your story. This has been an eye opener to me.
    I had no idea such events had happened on 9/11 because they shouldn’t. I sure want to see them take white people off a plane because they are acting suspicious, but that won’t happen that quickly I think.. (‘they are one of us, why would they look suspicious?’)
    Stay strong!

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  436. Nick

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am sure any of those thousands of people who DIED on 911, or all the thousands of innocent people including children who have died since at the hands of ISLAM people would gladly trade places with you and endure your ordeal instead of death. So maybe you should take that in consideration!!!

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    • SilenceDogood

       /  September 13, 2011

      Oh, good grief. Get a grip.

      There are more deaths every month due to car accidents than were attributed to 9/11.

      While 9/11 was a horrific day, it is no reason to act in the way this woman was treated.

      Grow a pair and stop being so afraid of your own shadow.

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      • Nick

         /  September 13, 2011

        So you are saying that its OK that thousands have died on 9/11, thousands more in the underground bombings in London, and thousands again in Madrid in the train bomb? Its OK because more people die in a car accident each year? You must be one very sick person.

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        • Allison

           /  September 13, 2011

          Stating that 9/11 was not an acceptable reason for this woman’s treatment is not the same thing as stating that 9/11 was “OK,” or that the London bombings or Madrid bombings were “OK.” There are ways to handle the threat of terrorism without racially profiling innocent people or violating people’s Constitutional rights.

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        • Ian

           /  September 13, 2011

          Wow. No, he’s not saying that.

          He’s saying that the fact that people have died doesn’t justify mistreating others.

          By the way: 52 doesn’t equal “thousands”, and neither does 191. That doesn’t mean that killing fifty-two people, or one-hundred-ninety-one people, or 167 people like Timothy McVeigh, or 77 people like Anders Behring Breitvik, is okay or anything, but it’s worth pointing out.

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          • By the way: 52 doesn’t equal “thousands”, and neither does 191. That doesn’t mean that killing fifty-two people, or one-hundred-ninety-one people, or 167 people like Timothy McVeigh, or 77 people like Anders Behring Breitvik, is okay or anything, but it’s worth pointing out.

            I suspect he thinks that killing scores of thousands of people in Afghanistan and Iraq is okay.

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  437. waldy

     /  September 13, 2011

    I’m absolutely disgusted by what happened to you and your fellow row-members.

    Thank you for sharing your experience though, it provides enlightenment on the true state of the country- and how you can never be a ‘real american’ if you have a different skin tone.

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  438. Kenny

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for telling your story. Hopefully it gets disseminated far and wide. People need to know what is happening. As one American to another, I am ashamed that this happened to you.

    As for Patrick above, I think it’s important that his post remain as an example of the fear and hate that still needs to be overcome.

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  439. Shoshana – This is absolutely horrible and I can only hope that you will be okay. I’m very sad that this happened to you. I sent you an email earlier about the two media outlets who contacted me today; msnbc.com wanting a picture of you (the one I always ran beside your columns) and the Des Moines Register wanting to write a story about this. In case your email has changed since we were last in touch, I’m leaving a note here. Just let me know what you would like for me to do and I’ll take care of it. My email address is still the same, and I put it in with this reply. All the best. Your friend, Stan Brewer

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  440. Thank you for sharing this. I have a cousin who has been through this many times – and for similar reasons. She was strip-searched with her children present more than once. It’s all too easy for people like me – who are unlikely to be profiled – to pretend this isn’t happening. But it is.

    I can only think that folks upset about your snarky descriptions of the men detaining you are not reading this as REAL. While I would normally not be OK with such comments, a little lashing out is completely understandable. You are human, after all! The expectation that you not be a WEE BIT angry after such an ordeal is, in and of iteself, offensive.

    I am bewildered why anyone would call you a “fascist” in these comments. To whit, Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state. Maybe somebody missed that class.

    I wish you well. I am glad you are back safe with your children.

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  441. I am so sorry this happened to you. Thank you for sharing the story.

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  442. Sorry this happened to you and to the two men with you. I grew up with excess suspicion based on melanin level, it isn’t something you ever forget and sadly it is something you do sometimes have to compensate for. Good luck, I hope you and yours go forward well.

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  443. msmeasy

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am sorry to hear what happened to you. How disgusting! This is not what America is supposed to stand for.

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  444. Fr. John+

     /  September 13, 2011

    Gee, now do you think you understand how the Palestinians feel at EVERY encounter with the Israelis?

    And why are you, half-arab, half-Jewish, living in the USA, anyway? Go back to your homeland of origin….and leave this land, ‘for US and our posterity.’ One has to, is now forced, to ask that question as the fallacy of ‘post-racialism’ is plummeting as fast as Obama’s ratings; and the decades of BRA [black-run Amerika] are now over, even with the ‘magic Negro’s Executive Orders right and left, trying mightily to thwart the will of the people- and even the fallacy of the ‘approved’ Republican candidate is not even holding water, with MSNBC’s 57% approval of Paul over Romney’s 14% – clearly showing we’re not going to take it any more…..

    Of course, if liberals and loonies, and latke-eaters had not wanted a police state, they never would have listened to the ADL and the SPLC in the first place back during the days of Bush’s neo-conned cabinet- for it is they who’ve been training our own military and police forces in Israeli/Zionazi tactics, from the start. And Obama’s just the ‘house n*gger’ to his ‘International Bankers’, as the bailout of 2008 proved to everyone’s satisfaction, even as he destroyed the US’ infrastructure. We didn’t want war with Arab states or Muslim states… but the Jews sure did, and USED us for their own advantage. You’re just reaping the bitter fruit of that wonderful ‘diversity’ Bill, Hillary, and Barack think still operates, post 9/11.

    I don’t pity you. I don’t even feel for you. And, Lord knows, I’m not going to pray for a heretic or a Jew, either. You’re on your own, babe.

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    • Now THIS is what merits a call to the FBI – it’s required speech for membership in a group that actually advocates the murder of those he mentions, as well as overthrow of the US government.

      I’m serious, folks.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        There’s so much wrong here, LAYERS of wrongness, I don’t even know where to begin. I had no idea that real people and not racist and anti-Semitic caricatures even thought like this anymore.

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        • Y’all can make out a call to arms and layers of wrongness? I can’t make heads or tails of anything he said in the two middle paragraphs. Each of the individual words makes sense, but when I try to string them all together…

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            I know, it reads like the Time Cube guy. But I can recognize layers of wrongness when someone uses a phrase like “Black-run Amerika.” That phrase itself has, like, five layers of wrongness in it.

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            • yeah, I can suss the overwhelming wrongness (a blind man could), but I guess there’s too much of it, and that too muddled, for me to make any sense of it. (I had forgotten about the Time Cube guy!)

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              • Allison

                 /  September 13, 2011

                It is, truly, an avalanche of WTF (it being both the post to which we are responding, and the Time Cube guy). Your time would be best spent in productive pursuits, such as counting the number of hairs on your head and then dividing by pi.

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    • Sean

       /  September 13, 2011

      Really hope that the FBI starts a file on you, Mr. Grand Dragon. It is people like you that are an actual threat to our democracy with your racist cronies and backwoods idiocy.

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    • Yours truly-

       /  September 14, 2011

      Looking at the cross beside your name, and reading your comment, you must pretend to be a preacher of some sort. Most likely to uneducated people like yourself, deep in some back woods some place. You need to go back to school, read lots of books, and educate yourself before you speak in public. It is so sad, when people are so ignorant that they don’t even know it.

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    • Jen D

       /  September 14, 2011

      Troll

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  445. I’m originally from Detroit and truly love the multiculturalism and different viewpoints of the city. I’m a very visible Jew and did a lot of volunteer work and immigration clinic work (I went to law school) in Dearborn … never had a single bad experience, despite my obvious Jewish faith.

    Like so many, I’m also disgusted by what you went through … while I don’t appreciate the snark about fat people, I think for the most part you’ve crafted a compelling and powerful piece of writing about just what is wrong with our country today. I hope you have it within you to be the bigger person and forgive, to rise above these sad, pathetic people feeding on fear.

    Though I will add, for all those going “Don’t like it, move” … it’s not that simple, geniuses. For the overwhelming majority of countries on earth, you actually need either family or a job in the country in order to move there. You can’t just pick up and move … though I genuinely believe that if things keep going this way, Americans will be able to apply for political asylum in a lot of countries. Ideology is a ground on which you can claim refugee status in a lot of countries.

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    • Gil

       /  September 14, 2011

      CC,

      I admire you and those like who who have dedicated themselves to ensure that the laws are upheld and justice is fairly granted and distributed in an equitable manner.

      However, this care clearly illustrates that we have a long, long way to go still.

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  446. Mark Elham

     /  September 13, 2011

    Please tell me that you are going to sue these assholes.

    I’d would advise you to get in touch with the ACLU or some other civil rights-focused group. I think your best claim will probably be against the airline as well as the arresting agents/ agencie(s).

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    • Yeah, I’m really quite shocked that it was Frontier. They have been so good in the past about a lot of things. I’m going to think twice about giving them my business now. In fact, I’m going to write the airlines and tell them that this kind of nonsense is not what passengers want, and doesn’t make me, at least, feel any safer.

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  447. One of them

     /  September 13, 2011

    I’m so sorry for your terrible experience. My heart goes out to you. I am saddened that you now feel you hate chubby rednecks who listen to country music, for I am one. I hope that someday you can recover from these emotional injuries that were so unjustly inflicted on you and the other two, as well. Please know that as I have worked not to fear those of you who look like you do, that you do not have to fear all of us who look like we do. Let us all look forward to days of peace and understanding.

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    • Ajay

       /  September 13, 2011

      I am brown and well educated. My first reaction when i come to know a southern white conservative/wingnut/redneck/patriot/FlauntngXtian is to get away from that human filth for my own safety. Thats a natural instinct.

      Does it mean they all are like that. Absolutely not, but over time it only gets reinforced, especially if you are a victim like the blogger.

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      • I am brown and well educated. My first reaction when i come to know a southern white conservative/wingnut/redneck/patriot/FlauntngXtian is to get away from that human filth for my own safety. That’s a natural instinct.

        No, it’s your misconceptions about human nature.

        Does it mean they all are like that. Absolutely not, but over time it only gets reinforced, especially if you are a victim like the blogger.

        As long as it keeps you away from corrupting them with your conclusory and uninformed mindset, that’s fine. Their ignorance can be remedied ~ yours can’t: you’re already “well educated.”

        Dawud Ahmad, M.S.J.D.

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        • Ajay

           /  September 14, 2011

          > Their ignorance can be remedied
          Thats a deep thought which comes from not knowing Americans in general. It can only get worse.

          > yours can’t: you’re already “well educated.”
          I believe in facts and change as/if needed. You dont know me or my education and have no basis for any conclusion. Hint: Education has nothing to do with it.

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          • > Their ignorance can be remedied
            That’s a deep thought which comes from not knowing Americans in general. It can only get worse.

            My American lineage goes back seventeen thousand years. I know Americans a lot better than any Johnny-come-lately whose “knowledge” has Anglo-Saxon, Roman, Greek, Aryan, or Hebrew roots.

            > yours can’t: you’re already “well educated.”
            I believe in facts and change as/if needed. You dont know me or my education and have no basis for any conclusion. Hint: Education has nothing to do with it.

            Your words disclose your ignorance, and you’re the one who claimed to be “well educated” to attribute credibility to your words. Your use of the phrase “human filth” reveals the origin and character of your “knowledge.” Humans may be filthy, and most certainly many human hearts are filthy; but there is only one mindset that conceives of humans as “filth,” and that is your Conviction. Your own words are conclusive.

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  448. anon

     /  September 13, 2011

    So much for the land of the free. Seems more like the land of social injustice, racism and paranoia.

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  449. Asma Khan

     /  September 13, 2011

    Utterly horrified to read your story. I am a pakistani woman with a canadian passport and God forbid if I have to go to the States, I wear the shortest skirt to look “assimilated” enough after having been interrogated once by american customs for a gruelling 6 hours. I’ve missed best friend’s weddings, births/ death in the States because life is hard enough and I don’t need the humiliation of crossing the border. And the worse part is that the way American Custom officials establish authority over you physiologically, you FEEL guilty, wrong and small.

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  450. Thank you for sharing. Forwarding widely. I am glad you are brave enough to speak the truth of your experience.

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  451. Thank you for telling your story. Taking the time to do that is the only thing that is going to get it to stop. It probably won’t happen for a while, but cumulatively, people will look at stories like yours and eventually get disgusted enough to do something and refuse to put up with that. I’m going to write my representative, with this story. I don’t have any real delusions that it will have any effect, at least not yet. But it’s better than sitting around assuming ‘Wow, that sucks, but it can’t happen to me…” I think that’s what a lot of people do. That must have been a very involved and emotional post to write. I find that when you write about something, you experience it again a little. Thank you again for taking the time and work to write this.

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  452. i'mtorn

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am really torn by this, on the one hand, I am appalled for you, you sound like a gentle soul who may well be scarred by this for quite some time and that’s a darn shame, and yet I too am fearful when I see “arab” looking people traveling together especially to fly. I hate that I am afraid, I hate that I mistrust everyone who looks middle eastern, I hate that from this standpoint, as many have said, that the terrorists have won, they divided America and Americans, a racial and religious divide that always existed has now become a huge gulf. So, can you tell me, can anyone tell me, at what point is America no longer at risk? At what point do I not have to be afraid anymore? Who can I trust? And what lengths are permissible to ensure safety? At what point do individual rights outweigh or take a backseat to say, the rights of a plane full of passengers who may or may not feel threatened? Clearly someone felt unsafe, rightly or wrongly. What amount of risk is acceptable? I know that I would do anything to avoid humiliating or degrading an innocent person, but how do you do that without potentially compromising safety? Is there really never a value in racial profiling? I do not ask this lightly or sarcastically, I truly do not know. But I can say this, I am profoundly sorry that you experienced this nightmare. I wish we lived in a different place and time. I wish I wasn’t afraid, too. I live near the Pentagon, 9/11 happened in my backyard, I have friends who worked there then and continue to work there now. I don’t know that I will ever not be afraid.

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    • Ian

       /  September 13, 2011

      At what point do you not have to be afraid any more?

      There are two possibilities. You can stop being afraid when you chose to stop being afraid, or you can stop being afraid when you are dead. No amount of “security” is going to change your fear.

      It’s easy to point out, over and over again, that you are in more danger when you are driving, than you are in more danger when you are in the shower, than you are when you are flying. That “death by terrorism” is just not a statistically significant thing to worry about. That flying is no more dangerous now than it was on 9/10/2001, and WOULDN’T be even if we’d made no changes in security policy.

      What should we be scared of? Leading causes of death in 2007 in the United States, according to the CDC:
      1. Diseases of heart (heart disease)
      2. Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
      3. Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
      4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases
      5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
      6. Alzheimer’s disease
      7. Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
      8. Influenza and pneumonia
      9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis
      (kidney disease)
      10. Septicemia
      11. Intentional self-harm (suicide)
      12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
      13. Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease
      (hypertension)
      14. Parkinson’s disease
      15. Assault (homicide)

      And most of the deaths in #1 through #4 could be called “death from old age”. Certainly, there are kids who die of cancer and heart disease, there are thirty-year-olds who die of strokes, but, mainly, in the United States, people die from getting old.

      After that, accidents. Mostly car accidents. 44,000 people a year.

      The CDC DOES track terrorism-related deaths. There weren’t any in 2007.

      You can be as scared as you want of whatever you want to be scared of. Forty people died of bee stings in 2007; feel free to be scared of bees. Of course, you should be a thousand times as scared of a car as you should be of a bee.

      What are the dangers in our country? Well, dying at a ripe old age after a long life, mainly. Other than that, cars.

      Those are the dangers to our lives. But what about the dangers to our freedom? THOSE are the things that scare me. The idea that our security forces have the right and ability to drag me off a plane in handcuffs, throw me in a cell, strip-search me, and keep me there for six hours, for absolutely no reason? That’s a MUCH scarier thought than terrorism is, or even bees.

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    • Asma Khan

       /  September 13, 2011

      i’mtorn: Being “one” of them (I’m Pakistani), I find your honesty not only refreshing but it gives me courage to be more honest with myself and others. I am Pakistani and was flying back home with my jewish boyfriend at the time. Next to me was a bearded man who kept reciting stuff under his breath while fidgeting a lot. While I was reciting the same prayer for a safe journey, I was afraid of him. Later I found him crying (and I thought this is it, he’s about to blow us up) and found out that the poor soul for flying for the first time and was scared shitless. I realize that fear begets fear. We have to actively fight the whole CULTURE of fear that we live in. The first step is to kill all the fear that lives within us. I cannot remember a single time in my life when fear served me well. Wishing a better life for all of us.

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    • I am really torn by this, on the one hand, I am appalled for you, you sound like a gentle soul who may well be scarred by this for quite some time and that’s a darn shame, and yet I too am fearful when I see “arab” looking people traveling together especially to fly. I hate that I am afraid, I hate that I mistrust everyone who looks middle eastern, I hate that from this standpoint, as many have said, that the terrorists have won, they divided America and Americans, a racial and religious divide that always existed has now become a huge gulf.

      You eloquently express feelings that afflict many Americans, but many more have crossed that “racial and religious divide” and no longer suffer. After 9/11, Christians, Jews, Hindus and atheists across the country descended on the mosques in droves, to protect the muslims from the backlash that the architects of 9/11 hoped to spark. And since 9/11, the population of indigenous American muslims ~ with no ethnic heritage of Islam and not caught up in imported error from the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world ~ has more than doubled, opening a new chapter in the history of Islam in America and in the world. The backlash backfired.

      And despite such events as these conversations have been discussing, the FBI has prevented scores of deadly attacks on innocents, over 40% because muslims have reported the plans of would-be terrorists. The idea that “most” of the world’s terrorist events come from “Islamists” is false ~ deranged muslims have accounted for less than five percent of such events since 9/11, according to US Government analysis.

      The fear ~ today ~ is generated by a few people, and amplified by self-appointed “experts” and the media. The Southern Poverty Law Center identified fewer than twenty people from whom most of the fear-inducing propaganda comes, and their financial backers and media supporters. The Center for American Progress published a similar report ~ at http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/islamophobia.html ~ that goes into more details. The perpetuation of terror in America is not rooted in 9/11, 9/11 has become the center-piece of American-generated terror perpetuating American fear that was already well-established long before 9/11. “The terrorists, with a little help from bin Laden, have won,” is an accurate statement about the condition of America today ~ at least, among those who get all their information from the mainstream media and the government.

      The American Right and the American Left are being herded toward revolution by cadres of “revolutionary vanguards” who have their hands on the levers of power in America and have installed themselves as our new masters, with a plan to increase their control. I’ve watched the agenda I studied in the Sixties proceed for fifty years now, and it has only moved forward with 9/11, economic collapse, and incessant propaganda. Those movements are much more to be feared than terrorists unable to move without being seen and stopped.

      So, can you tell me, can anyone tell me, at what point is America no longer at risk?

      “Almost all of the world’s armed conflicts involve muslims” because American bombs are raining down on muslim-majority countries, most of them ruled by Western-supported tyrants installed by the Western powers after World War I or II or their successors. America has been exporting terrorism to the Middle East for nearly a century, and boasts today of being the world’s only remaining “superpower” empire. And we are watching on television as America is falling into a ruin second only to that we are inflicting on the eastern hemisphere.

      But this, too, will pass.

      When today’s America has been utterly humbled, and American conceit, arrogance, hubris, elitism, and delusions of grandeur and superiority have been thoroughly eradicated, the real America ~ you and those like you ~ will rise as a light for the nations and a beacon of the truth of human nature. America will again be a true light of liberty, accessible this time to everyone, and not an incandescent or neon artifice born in the bowels of the bomb-makers.

      Then ~ and only then ~ will it no longer be at risk, when reason, faith, and humility reign and the rule of law is restored.

      Man can set the world on fire, but cannot extinguish the Light of God.

      And the sun is rising, here in the West, on a new Dawn in America.

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    • To i’mtorn: your honesty is refreshing. Thank you for posting. And for generating an equally honest, equally thought-provoking post from Asma Khan. Thank you both. This is where a conversation can begin to happen, when there is honesty on both sides instead of posturing.

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  453. TakeBackMyBirthday

     /  September 13, 2011

    I am so so so so sorry that this happened to you. How horrifying and scary. I really have no words that can convey how sick I am over this.

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  454. michaelfury

     /  September 13, 2011

    Where was the “well-dressed man” when you needed him?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/points-of-failure/

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  455. Incredible story. Thank you for sharing as it’s very personal and probably took a lot of courage to do. I’m glad you’re safe and were able to get back to your husband and kids. I hope you never have to go through such an experience again.

    Cheers!

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  456. Sasha Calegare

     /  September 13, 2011

    I feel for you. This country has some truly despicable policies, and it’s unfortunate that you fell victim to them. The Patriot Act violates many people’s rights and should be made illegal. When individual freedoms are sacrificed in the same of “security,” you end up with neither.

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  457. I flew back on Sept. 11, too. But as a White American, my experience was much different. The only questions I got when I landed in Dallas from the UK was when the customs agent asked how long I had “been” with my wife and when our wedding date was. I smiled a good American Smile: “That doesn’t seem like a customs questions…” He laughed. My wife was standing behind me. What a good old joke. It’s sad, now that I think about it, because who knows what you were doing at the same time when I was “questioned” on my return to the U.S.

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    • Bob

       /  September 13, 2011

      I flew back on September 11, as well. At customs, unfortunately, my experience was much different. The Indian-American businessman in front of me was screamed at for several minutes by the “officer” because he reached into his briefcase for a form during their conversation. The “officer” continually shouted about IEDs — asking “don’t you know what an IED is? Don’t you know what day this is?” It was absurd and intentionally belittling — the businessman clearly hadn’t flown 3000 miles with an IED in his briefcase to blow up Customs. Rather, the “officer” simply wanted to be abusive — and there is no check on doing so in our current system. In our system, we are offered no choices other than to take whatever humiliation is offered up — and that’s just wrong.

      (He was extremely rude to me as well, but no screaming. I guess because I’m white.)

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  458. I was seriously touched by your writing of this. I don’t know how you wrote about it without anger and bitterness hanging off your sleeve. Makes me turn a jaundiced eye to my own writings. I work in aviation, and since the whole Homeland Security reality, I have stoutly refused to fly commercially. If my company wants to send me jumpseat somewhere, fine, but not on an airline. Bless you for your attitude.

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  459. When are people are having their orefices forcibly searched because of a random civilian’s idea of something so subjective and meaningless as “suspicious behavior,” there no longer is any freedom to be defended.

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  460. Journalism

     /  September 13, 2011

    I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why they would just randomly pick out some people and arrest them. That just doesn’t happen these days. So searching the parent article from AP I found:

    “Frontier Flight 623, with 116 passengers on board, landed without incident in Detroit at 3:30 p.m. EDT after the crew reported that two people were spending “an extraordinarily long time” in a bathroom, Frontier spokesman Peter Kowalchuck said.”

    So unfortunately the flight crews are now profiling people for joining the mile high club! Shame on them…

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  461. Writing from north of the border to tell you how sorry I am that you and apparently at least 50 other people had to go through that on Sunday. Your account brought tears to my eyes. I can’t imagine the fear and the humiliation you must have felt.

    It is a sad state of affairs when people need to be afraid of their government, and of their fellow citizens, afraid of a monster in every closet.

    It’s easy to see that there doesn’t need to be another terrorist attack. The collective imaginations of masses of people is creating a self imposed terrorism in the United States, and to an extent here in my own country. Any group with ill wishes simply has to utter a hint of a threat, and kick back and relax while we scare ourselves.

    I admit that I have flown to the United States only once since 2001. Not because I am afraid of what the terrorists might do to the plane I’m on, but because I was uncomfortable with security, the requirement to remove articles of my clothing, to lift my shirt to have my belt buckle and the fly of my pants inspected by a stranger in front of other strangers with little to no communication. This of course was nothing compared to what you and those other people went through on Sunday, but given how upset and uncomfortable I was with that, I can’t begin to think how I would react if I had to go through what you did. I commend your composure and I thank you for sharing your story and being honest about your feelings, even if some of them weren’t popular with other commenters.

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  462. Kim

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for sharing this, Shoshanna. I don’t know you (obviously), but I never would have heard more about this story than the passing NY Times headline in my Twitter feed had you not written this. It’s so important to hear personal stories like this, so we can be reminded of how policy affects real people. Especially as we approach another election year and choose another batch of leaders who will create laws like this. What are our priorities? We have to choose peace and compassion. It’s overdo.

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  463. I’m so sorry to hear you had to go through this. A good friend of mine, who happens to be transgendered, was deported from the USA (for no good reason beyond the fact that she was travelling there too often, and it was deemed “suspicious”) and the TSA treated her in much the same appalling way that you were treated. It’s disgusting how much of our civil liberties we’ve had to give up in the name of “freedom”.

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  464. Sheena

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for telling your story. I am sorry for your treatment, but grateful for your courage. Stay strong; stay beautiful.
    Love from Canada.

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  465. Donna

     /  September 13, 2011

    Thank you for clearing this up. I live a couple of miles from Detroit Metro. At that time I was at my grandsons baseball game when my son suddenly said, “there are no planes in the sky”. (There are always visible planes in the sky) Next we heard the sound of the F-16 fighter jets, but couldn’t see them and couldn’t really follow their sounds, my son thought they were circling the airport. When I arrived home Newsflash on TV, with crazy, wild stories. My hubby went a little? wacky closing the side door that faces the airport in case a plane was shot down. It saddens me how events gets blown out of proportion.

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  466. For all of you who think this was an “injustice” What would you like the feds to do? They got a report of suspicious activity on a flight where less than two years ago a man tried to blow himself up in the same city (Detroit) Oh did I mention it was 9-11. I’m sorry you had to go through that as an American citizen but these are the times we live in. It is a good thing the feds came out and investigated the situation. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the person who reported you. The feds were responding to a call they received, they have to respond in this day and age, it was their duty. Add that to the fact that the US had credible evidence that 3 people were going to make an attack. You happened to be the third person there. You also were not the only one who had feds meet their plane yesterday, it happened in Boston. Although frustrating, you were let go and sent on your way after the investigators did their job, which by the way in America, unlike other countries you are innocent until proven guilty and once they figured out that you were not at fault, they let you go. Do you think that would have happened anywhere else? I am not taking away that the passenger that accused you of something may have jumped the gun and may have been paranoid but the main point i am trying to make is that the feds and police did their job.

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    • Allison

       /  September 13, 2011

      Perhaps we would like it if white passengers didn’t automatically assume that everything that non-white passengers do is “suspicious activity” by definition. Perhaps we would like it if Homeland Security would not violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens simply because those citizens have dark skin. Perhaps we would like it if the reporting passenger was punished in some way for being a bigot.

      Perhaps we would like it if people were not judged by their skin color.

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      • SilenceDogood

         /  September 13, 2011

        Just want to point out that this whitey (and several others I know) are as sick of this BS as you.

        Girl, most of us are behind you 1,000%. Sadly, there is a very vocal minority of sad, spineless sheep bleating “Save me! Save me!”

        We’re doing all we can to shut them up. Sorry.

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        • Allison

           /  September 13, 2011

          I’m a whitey, too. Whiteys United for Justice.

          It’s sad, though, that the only way this is taken seriously is when us whiteys do get involved. It’s only then that concerns are addressed, which is part of that insidious white privilege that we carry around with us.

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          • SilenceDogood

             /  September 15, 2011

            I know it’s been a couple of days. Sorry, it’s busy around here.

            I totally misread the original post I responded to. Sorry about that.

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        • Allison

           /  September 13, 2011

          I’m a whitey, too. Whiteys United for Justice.

          It’s sad, though, that the only way these concerns are taken seriously is when white people express then and when white people get involved. Otherwise, it’s dismissed. Just another insidious part of the white privilege we carry around with us.

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            EEP. Sorry for the redundant post – I didn’t think my first one went through.

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    • Saul

       /  September 13, 2011

      >> They got a report of suspicious activity on a flight
      >> where less than two years ago a man tried to blow himself
      >> up in the same city (Detroit)

      So what? What difference does it make that two years ago there was another lunatic that happened to be landing in the same city? By your logic, all van drivers in NYC and in Oklahoma City should be also pulled over and strip-searched. After all, bombers struck those cities too in the past twenty years, so you can’t be too careful.

      >> Although frustrating, you were let go and sent on your way
      >> after the investigators did their job

      Easy for you to write, when you were not the one who was strip-searched and held in a jail cell for several hours. Why could not the cops have taken the three passengers off the plane, interrogated them (along with the passenger or flight attendant who called in the suspicions), determined there was nothing amiss, and sent them on their way? Why the strip-search? Why the jail cell? Why the several-hours detainment?

      >> Add that to the fact that the US had credible evidence
      >> that 3 people were going to make an attack.

      It’s becoming increasingly clear this this “evidence” was nothing more than an excuse for police to show off their weapons and to keep the population in fear. A fear that is so clearly expressed in your post. A fear that is shredding the Constitution a tad more each and every day.

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    • Ian

       /  September 13, 2011

      Although frustrating, you were let go and sent on your way after the investigators did their job, which by the way in America, unlike other countries you are innocent until proven guilty and once they figured out that you were not at fault, they let you go. Do you think that would have happened anywhere else?

      Um. Yes? EVERYWHERE else? Like, EVERYWHERE on the planet? Even in horrible fascist dictatorships, they do that. Seriously. Listen to some of the stories of dissidents in repressive regimes. That’s what they do — pick them up, hold them for a couple hours, never charge them, strip-search them, then let them go.

      Now, the REASONS for this may be different, but, c’mon, man! Do you seriously think that the United States is the only place in the world that lets people go if it figures they’re innocent? Seriously?

      And nobody’s saying that the feds and police didn’t do their job. What people are saying is that their job was wrong. That, yeah, they did their job — and the job they have is one that is inconsistent with a free society. The fact that their job INVOLVES holding and strip-searching innocent people is something that doesn’t HAPPEN in a free society.

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    • pete.d

       /  September 13, 2011

      “What would you like the feds to do?”

      Their jobs, and nothing more. That means investigating tips first before acting like there’s really something to them.

      “They got a report of suspicious activity on a flight where less than two years ago a man tried to blow himself up in the same city (Detroit) Oh did I mention it was 9-11.”

      So what? That in no way affects the rights of travelers.

      “…The feds were responding to a call they received, they have to respond in this day and age, it was their duty. Add that to the fact that the US had credible evidence that 3 people were going to make an attack.”

      Credible evidence? Credible evidence is actionable, leading to actual suspects.

      There certainly was no credible evidence that _these_ three people were in any way doing anything genuinely suspicious, never mind that they were in any way related to the so-called “credible evidence” published earlier.

      (And that assumes that the “credible evidence” was in fact just that, rather than the usual fear-mongering that law-enforcement engages in regularly in order to justify their ever-increasing violations of our civil rights).

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    • Frank S.

       /  September 13, 2011

      Believe me, you would not be so certain in your opinion or one sided if this happened to you. I once held your view that law enforcement are doing their job (and they do do a great job, don’t get me wrong), until it I was treated as such. Trust me, not a great feeling and it certainly changes you when you are not a criminal but are treated as one.

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  467. Melissa

     /  September 13, 2011

    Your Miranda rights were tossed aside, so I suspect they didn’t have a warrant for the cavity search either?

    In any event, this sounds like good, solid, lawsuit material to me. I’m sure you could get pro bono representation or donations for a legal fund to cover expenses.

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  468. She was held in a cell, searched and questioned for a few hours. She did not mention any abuse or mistreatment. I’m sorry that she was frightened. However, I think of my brothers and sisters deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan for 12 – 18 months at a time. They miss the birth of children and some never make it home to meet their children. I think about the double amputees I see doing PT on post. If she was inconvienced for a few hours for the safety of our country, I don’t think what she went through is too much of a sacrifice. Just my opinion.

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    • Nick

       /  September 13, 2011

      Well put donationcan. Innocent people have lost their lives in bombings around the world. Soldiers have died to protect the very basis of our civilisation, freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Reading all the comments on this blog I am amazed and upset at the fact that the people that DIED have been forgotten so easily because of the ranting of this woman.

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      • Are you guys fucking kidding me?? What do you think those people DIED FOR?!

        Our freedom. The same freedom which was taken away from the OP.

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      • Allison

         /  September 13, 2011

        You know, people can be concerned about soldiers deploying and the deaths of 9/11, and at the same time horrified at the treatment of an innocent person. Most people are capable of holding more than one thought in their head at the same time.

        Innocent people should not have to sacrifice their Constitutional rights just because soldiers are deploying in wars. There’s no logical connection there.

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        • What To Do?

           /  September 14, 2011

          Allison: I’ve read your comments over and over and I’m a little tired of you trying to negate what others post. This time it is quite personal because it appears that donationcan is one of our military – one of those individuals who gives us the right to poste these comments. Although I appreciate your empathy for one innocent person treated unjustly, I would remind you of the thousands in the military who are treated unjustly and see injustices directly day after day. My newphew was deployed to Afghanistan and he is defending your very freedom.

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          • Allison

             /  September 14, 2011

            I’m not sure what you mean by “negate what others post.” I’m disagreeing with what others post. I’m arguing with what others post. I’m asking for evidence of what people are posting as statements of fact. I’m not removing their posts, because all of the posts are still available for everyone to see.

            Your nephew’s admirable service is what allows me the FREEDOM to do so. And with all due respect to him, he voluntarily signed up for military duty (and that’s an admirable decision). Ms. Shebshi did not voluntarily sign up to have her Constitutional rights violated.

            Donationcan has the right to post his/her thoughts. I have the right to respond to them, EVEN WHEN AND IF I DISAGREE WITH THEM. That is the nature of open discourse in a society that allows freedom of expression.

            Because your nephew and donationcan have fought for my freedom to post, I should…not post? That’s contrary to what they’re fighting for, and I assume that both of them understand that democracy is a difficult idea, which requires that one allows the expression of views with which one disagrees.

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      • Ian

         /  September 13, 2011

        That’s right. Soldiers have died, and are dying, to protect the basis of our civilization, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. You’re absolutely right.

        Which is why it’s so horrific that their sacrifice is in vain. They are dying, today, to try to PREVENT exactly the sort of thing that happened to Shebshi. They are over there trying to protect us from being grabbed for no reason, and violated. They are fighting and dying for our rights.

        And then, our OWN GOVERNMENT, our OWN security forces, go and do THIS? They go and MOCK the sacrifices of our men and women who are sacrificing, suffering, and DYING to attempt to protect our freedoms, by SPITTING ON those freedoms?

        Doesn’t that make you sick? Doesn’t that just make you want to throw up that there are people in the FBI and the TSA who so disrespect the sacrifice of our men and women?

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        • Nick

           /  September 13, 2011

          Ian, I disagree. You are forgetting that the ISLAM is discriminating against the entire western people. The countries that have accepted them and in many cases even allowed them to settle in the West. Now, faced with so much violence and thousands of innocent people dying at the hands of their religious extremism, which is wide spread within the arab countries and which has been going on for thousands of years, people are getting un easy and yes, maybe a little bit angry.

          And so people in that plane reported suspicious behavior. Maybe if those people that reported this had been on those planes that flew into the twin towers 10 years ago, thousands of people had been saved today.

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          • Ian

             /  September 13, 2011

            Lemme tell you something. I’m Jewish. And we Jews have a pretty long memory. And, as much as there’s a bunch of tsuris between mainly-Muslim Palestinians and mainly-Jewish Israelis, on the whole, when I think about Jews and Arabs, and Jews and Christians, I remember that, BEFORE 1492, Jews had jobs and nice lives in Spain, and AFTER the Reconquista, we had the Spanish Inquisition.

            See, on the whole, Christianity has given a lot more shit to Jews than Islam has. So my bullshit detector starts pinging hard when someone starts talking about “thousands of years of ISLAM”, because, well, first, Islam isn’t thousands of years old (started in 570, so it’s only about 1440 years old), and then, I compare it historically to Christianity, and, from my perspective, Christianity doesn’t come out so good.

            And then I think about my Muslim friends, and realize that, y’know, they’re not like what you’re talking about. And, in fact, there are a good number of majority-Muslim countries that aren’t like that, like, for instance, Morocco, and, in fact, the entire Maghreb region — even INCLUDING Libya. That the Arab Spring uprisings have generally been overthrowing dictatorships and bringing in more pro-democracy governments. That, in fact, the world NEVER really looked a WHOLE lot like that, and it’s looking less and less like what you’re saying every day.

            So, y’know, Islam, Christianity, mote, log. At least, long term. That’s what I’m saying.

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            • CHlSTIAN

               /  September 14, 2011

              How easily you “forget” the asylum Spain gave to Jews in WW2 shielding them from the german atrocities, how easily you forget how the CHRISTIAN NATIONS of WW2 gave your “country” back even tho the “arabs” constantly attack you. How easily you forget how the “christian nations” gave you armament to defend yourself from people like bin laden.

              Nice “memory” “you jews” have, Let me correct yourself.

              Ian wrote: Hi, I call myself Jew and I have no idea of history hence i spit half learned ignorance.

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          • Nick, you say “ISLAM is discriminating against the entire western people”.
            For your information, Islam is a religion, which cannot discriminate against any people more than any other religion such as Christianity can. While some people who might have been followers of Christianity actually ran Apartheid in South Africa, slavery in the US, or killed Jews and Romani and communists in Nazi Germany, these facts do not imply that Christianity is a religion that is against the entire non-western people. Please try to have a reasoned perspective.

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          • Allison

             /  September 13, 2011

            ISLAM isn’t doing anything. Some FUNDAMENTALISTS within Islam are following an interpretation of Islam that is not shared by everyone of that particular faith. Somewhat like some FUNDAMENTALIST Christians are doing things like shooting abortion doctors in the face while the doctor is in his church on a Sunday morning.

            DO NOT sully the memory of the victims of 9/11 by invoking them to justify this violation of Constitutional rights.

            When we default to reports of “suspicious behavior” from completely untrained civilians, which are subject to all the biases and stereotypes and prejudices of that civilian, without the responders at LEAST questioning the reporter to determine if the report has any validity whatsoever, we have created a state in which anyone, anywhere, at any time, can say anything about another person and be automatically believed. I don’t believe you truly want such a situation to occur.

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